COVID Vaccines Could INTEGRATE with Human DNA: Yale Research

[DD86]

On 12/21/2024 at 8:19 AM, gargamon said:

Where's the peer reviewed paper? This may as well be by some idiot on YouTube or TikTok.

Ok, get your next shot asap please. Deadly shot don't only come from guns.

[DD86]

On 12/21/2024 at 10:27 AM, gargamon said:

Post as many unreviewed papers as you like. All garbage until the feedback comes back and it's actually published in a reputable journal.

Never mind, go get your next shot asap please. Deadly shots don't only come from guns. Waiting for a reputable journal as if those excist these days. MA.

[DD86]

On 12/21/2024 at 11:27 PM, farang51 said:

I am not so nervous about Covid spike protein found after two years as I don't know if that is good or bad. But what about the GPS tracker, is that still in the blood after two years?

Untill you will soon die.

[Purdey]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

 

The question is, who's paying them to do all that work, and how can the be assured they'll get hired to do it again?

 

Or, more to the point, what would guarantee that they don't get the next contract?

I think you will  find that scientists do peer reviews because they are interested to know more. If they are studying that area of science it is useful to add to their knowledge 

[rumak]

On 12/21/2024 at 8:39 AM, Red Phoenix said:

But no worries I will update this thread when the results are published...

 

The latest ......PEER REVIEWED !

 

Last month, a quiet but blockbuster study was published in the International Journal of Risk & Safety in Medicine titled, “Pharmaceutical product recall and educated hesitancy towards new drugs and novel vaccines."   The peer-reviewed study savaged the covid shots.

 

Red Phoenix ,  if unable to locate elsewhere...... a long summation today on Jeff Childers Coffee & Covid  on Substack .     ( monday, dec 23)

[gargamon]

14 hours ago, DD86 said:

Never mind, go get your next shot asap please. Deadly shots don't only come from guns. Waiting for a reputable journal as if those excist these days. MA.

Already had all my shots. No problems. Reputable journals exist. It's only the stupid half of the population that believes their YouTube/TikTok/Infowars etc. nonsense is actually accurate. Kids in your country getting measles yet? Polio too very soon it looks like also.

[Tippaporn]

On 12/23/2024 at 8:33 AM, Hawaiian said:

On 12/23/2024 at 7:47 AM, Tippaporn said:

 

If that's all you've got for an argument then you've failed.  Badly.  You must have missed the memo.  Labeling sources as "conspiracy theorists" doesn't work anymore.  The con that's been perpetrated has been exposed to an extent that makes it undeniable.  Throwing out the term "conspiracy theory" is part of the con.

 

Instead, why don't you argue against the facts the article puts forth.  That Pfizer, from their own documentation, hid fatality data from regulators.  Again, that is a fact that comes from Pfizer's own documentation.  Give me your best argument as to what makes that fake news.  I doubt you'll come up with one.  The truth hurts too much.

I did not claim the article to be fake news. I question the accuracy of the article. 

 

Sorry, not buying your backpedaling, Hawaiian.  Here's what you wrote:

 

On 12/23/2024 at 7:18 AM, Hawaiian said:

On 12/22/2024 at 7:33 PM, rattlesnake said:

A friendly reminder from 2023, since we are now allowed to say it:

 

Pfizer Hid Almost 80% Of Covid Vaccine Trial Deaths From Regulators

 

According to an analysis of the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine clinical trial data, the vaccine makers hid fatality data from regulators in order to qualify for Emergency Use Authorization.

 

https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/pfizer-hid-almost-80-of-covid-vaccine-trial-deaths-from-regulators/

Your source is known for producing conspiracy theories and fake news.

 

You didn't question the article.  You smeared the source, People's Voice.  No mention of the article or it's content whatsoever.  Now your story changes.

 

On 12/23/2024 at 8:33 AM, Hawaiian said:

This is what I found.

https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.9UC4LE

 

I'll lay aside the entire issue of fact  checkers, which is a whole topic unto itself.  But I will analyse the article's "debunking" . . . to an extent.

 

"The document cited in the articles contains nothing to indicate the vaccine was linked to deaths."

 

I dunno about you but I tire of articles which point to documents without ever reproducing those documents in the article or providing links to said documents.  To be fair, I'll likewise fault People's Voice.  I prefer to read any document myself rather than assume, or take on pure faith, a third party's interpretation is correct.

 

". . . Pfizer spokeswoman Dervila Keane told AFP."

"FDA spokeswoman Alison Hunt told AFP . . ."

 

Now Pfizer is accused of alleged criminality.  The FDA is similarly suspect as a governmental agency that has become corrupted to the degree that they can no longer be unquestioningly trusted.  What I find simply astounding is that the "fact checker" "debunked" the claim of Pfizer hiding data by asking only both Pfizer and the FDA for their side of the story.  For one, how can anyone legitimately take the word of either entity at face value without fact checking their stories?  This is what you appear to be doing.

 

For another, if a fact checker were to do honest and unbiased work then they would also include the other side of the story.  But they don't.  And the why is perhaps a question you've never asked yourself but a whole lot of other people ask.  Only so that they don't get caught with their pants around their ankles sometime later.

 

Apparently, according to you, if one doesn't accept the Pfizer and FDA explanations as gospel truth and questions it then that mere innocent, though exceedingly prudent, act of questioning is what makes them a conspiracy theorist.  Which is what you accuse People's Voice of engaging in.  Again, in your own words:

 

"Your source is known for producing conspiracy theories and fake news."

 

My conclusion is that your view here is not at all balanced.  In fact, it appears to be skewed towards a particular bias.  And unbalanced and biased views are rarely representative of any real truth.  I suggest you question more and investigate all sides of an issue before drawing gospel truth conclusions.  Just trying to help you avoid any future where you get caught with your drawers around your ankles and then have to perform endless mea culpas in public.

 

[Tippaporn]

On 12/23/2024 at 8:44 AM, dinsdale said:

Your link from 2021 has no connection to the article. From your linked article.

"But the pharmaceutical giant says the document does not indicate the fatalities are linked to vaccination, and it concludes the shots are safe -- a finding supported by US health authorities as well as clinical research."

We now know the vaccines aren't safe and the article you linked simply pushes the narrative from late 2021.

 

Thanks, dinsdale.  I didn't even bother checking the date of the linked article and incorrectly assumed it was current.

 

Here's a link to the crowd sourced analysis of the court ordered Pfizer documents for anyone's reference.  This is the only comprehensive analysis of those documents being performed that I am aware of.  One thing is certain.

 

https://dailyclout.io/pfizer-and-moderna-reports/

 

The MSM hasn't bothered doing any investigations into those documents.  Gee, I wonder why?

 

 

[Tippaporn]

On 12/23/2024 at 10:36 AM, Purdey said:

On 12/22/2024 at 7:21 PM, Tippaporn said:

 

At least that's how it's supposed to work.  It's up to you to find out whether or not it really works as advertised and not simply assume that it's a perfect world.  Do your own homework and you might end up feeling scandalized.

Good idea if you're a qualified scientist. Hard to do your homework if you just have google to rely on. 

 

Correction:  Impossible to "do your homework if you just have google to rely on."  Google's search engine ensures that you are unable to access opposing information.

 

You don't necessarily need to be a qualified scientist to understand what's true and what's false in the world of science.  That's an engineered fallacy that works to force people's reliance for the truth on experts and cancels people's ability to know the truth using their own resourcefulness.  Which, BTW, is quite vast.

[Hawaiian]

36 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Thanks, dinsdale.  I didn't even bother checking the date of the linked article and incorrectly assumed it was current.

 

Here's a link to the crowd sourced analysis of the court ordered Pfizer documents for anyone's reference.  This is the only comprehensive analysis of those documents being performed that I am aware of.  One thing is certain.

 

https://dailyclout.io/pfizer-and-moderna-reports/

 

The MSM hasn't bothered doing any investigations into those documents.  Gee, I wonder why?

 

 

 

 

55 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Sorry, not buying your backpedaling, Hawaiian.  Here's what you wrote:

 

 

You didn't question the article.  You smeared the source, People's Voice.  No mention of the article or it's content whatsoever.  Now your story changes.

 

 

I'll lay aside the entire issue of fact  checkers, which is a whole topic unto itself.  But I will analyse the article's "debunking" . . . to an extent.

 

"The document cited in the articles contains nothing to indicate the vaccine was linked to deaths."

 

I dunno about you but I tire of articles which point to documents without ever reproducing those documents in the article or providing links to said documents.  To be fair, I'll likewise fault People's Voice.  I prefer to read any document myself rather than assume, or take on pure faith, a third party's interpretation is correct.

 

". . . Pfizer spokeswoman Dervila Keane told AFP."

"FDA spokeswoman Alison Hunt told AFP . . ."

 

Now Pfizer is accused of alleged criminality.  The FDA is similarly suspect as a governmental agency that has become corrupted to the degree that they can no longer be unquestioningly trusted.  What I find simply astounding is that the "fact checker" "debunked" the claim of Pfizer hiding data by asking only both Pfizer and the FDA for their side of the story.  For one, how can anyone legitimately take the word of either entity at face value without fact checking their stories?  This is what you appear to be doing.

 

For another, if a fact checker were to do honest and unbiased work then they would also include the other side of the story.  But they don't.  And the why is perhaps a question you've never asked yourself but a whole lot of other people ask.  Only so that they don't get caught with their pants around their ankles sometime later.

 

Apparently, according to you, if one doesn't accept the Pfizer and FDA explanations as gospel truth and questions it then that mere innocent, though exceedingly prudent, act of questioning is what makes them a conspiracy theorist.  Which is what you accuse People's Voice of engaging in.  Again, in your own words:

 

"Your source is known for producing conspiracy theories and fake news."

 

My conclusion is that your view here is not at all balanced.  In fact, it appears to be skewed towards a particular bias.  And unbalanced and biased views are rarely representative of any real truth.  I suggest you question more and investigate all sides of an issue before drawing gospel truth conclusions.  Just trying to help you avoid any future where you get caught with your drawers around your ankles and then have to perform endless mea culpas in public.

 

Save your sermon for the pulpit.  If repeating what factcheck.apr has to say about Peoples Voice is smearing then according to you I am guilty.

[frank83628]

On 12/21/2024 at 8:36 AM, ChaiyaTH said:

The oldies here all took 3-4 booster shots of this crap so they will defend it to be good stuff until there is 100 research showing how bad and useless the shots were. It's like the naked emperor, it was already during covid.

 

But hey no worries, all these turbo cancers, the excess of deaths at older age groups with 20-30% increases etc all mean absolute nothing and are just a coincidence. Nothing to see here move on, until it's you...

And turbo caners have just been accepted as a thing without any questions.

Nothing to see here

[Tippaporn]

On 12/23/2024 at 10:37 AM, Purdey said:

On 12/22/2024 at 8:03 PM, GreasyFingers said:

So you believe that mRNA REALLY was a vaccine?

So I am not stupid enough to think I know more than people who have spent 20 years studying the subject. 😁

 

No one has been studying the CDC redefining "vaccine" for 20 years.  Do you know enough to understand the question GF asked you?  Do you believe the Covid "vaccines" are vaccines or mrRNA gene editing therapies?

 

BREAKING: Proof CDC Changed Definition of ‘Vaccine’ Because Prior Definition Allowed People “To Claim the COVID-19 Vaccine is Not a Vaccine”

 

Here's the definition the CDC used on 26 August 2021:

Vaccine-- “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease.”

Here is the new definition:

Vaccine-- “a preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.”

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/breaking-proof-cdc-changed-definition-vaccine-prior-definition-allowed-people-claim-covid-19-vaccine-not-vaccine/

 

Emails Reveal CDC Changed Definition of “Vaccine” and “Vaccination” Because Their Experimental COVID Shots Didn’t Work as Advertised

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/emails-reveal-cdc-changed-definition-vaccine-vaccination-experimental-covid-shots-didnt-work/

 

9th Circuit Court of Appeals Acknowledges Plaintiffs’ Claim that COVID-19 mRNA Jab is NOT a Vaccine, But a Therapeutic

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/06/breaking-9th-circuit-court-appeals-rules-mrna-covid/

 

Dr. Stefan Oelrich, President of Bayer Pharmaceuticals, admits MNRA Vaccines ARE Gene Therapy

 

 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Save your sermon for the pulpit.  If repeating what factcheck.apr has to say about Peoples Voice is smearing then according to you I am guilty.

 

 But it's not the case of you merely repeating what factcheck.apr has to say about People's Voice.  Once again you're trying to change the story so that you can avoid conceding the point.

  

On 12/23/2024 at 7:18 AM, Hawaiian said:

Your source is known for producing conspiracy theories and fake news.

 

Your words.  Your statement of "fact."  Your smear.  The meaning of those words being wholly unambiguous.  Just own up.  That's all I'm asking of you.

[Hawaiian]

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

 But it's not the case of you merely repeating what factcheck.apr has to say about People's Voice.  Once again you're trying to change the story so that you can avoid conceding the point.

  

 

Your words.  Your statement of fact.  Your smear.  The meaning of those words being wholly unambiguous.  Just own up.  That's all I'm asking of you.

You can interpret it any way you want.

[Tippaporn]

Just now, Hawaiian said:

You can interpret it any way you want.

 

And you can dissemble any way you want.  It's okay.

[GreasyFingers]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Correction:  Impossible to "do your homework if you just have google to rely on."  Google's search engine ensures that you are unable to access opposing information.

Are these people still using Google for searches? The only time you use it is for confirmation bias.

[Tippaporn]

On 12/23/2024 at 3:56 PM, Globalres said:

I guess we haven’t heard yet about the outcome of this info.

 

Au contraire.  The released documents were crowd sourced due to their immense volume.  Lots of damning facts.  The reports can be found here:

 

https://dailyclout.io/pfizer-and-moderna-reports/

[Tippaporn]

18 hours ago, GreasyFingers said:

The only time you use it is for confirmation bias.

 

LOL.  For many, that's all they are interested in.

[rumak]

On 12/23/2024 at 11:13 PM, rumak said:

Red Phoenix (and OTHERS )  ,  if unable to locate elsewhere...... a long summation today on Jeff Childers Coffee & Covid  on Substack . Dec 23 . (about a peer-reviewed study with Covid "vaccine" center stage )     Here is a quick link to get to the EXCELLENT  summation by Jeff Childers.   Scroll down to where it starts :     https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/joes-war-monday-december-23-2024      .   Worth reading !

[Red Phoenix]

4 hours ago, rumak said:

On 12/23/2024 at 5:13 PM, rumak said:

Red Phoenix (and OTHERS )  ,  if unable to locate elsewhere...... a long summation today on Jeff Childers Coffee & Covid  on Substack . Dec 23 . (about a peer-reviewed study with Covid "vaccine" center stage )     Here is a quick link to get to the EXCELLENT  summation by Jeff Childers.   Scroll down to where it starts :     https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/joes-war-monday-december-23-2024      .   Worth reading !

 

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/joes-war-monday-december-23-2024

 

Thanks and yes, Jeff Childers on his free Coffee&Covid substack Newsletter always provides very to the point background and comments on the news events of the day. 

 

@rumak I just read one of the best insightful articles on 'Covid-vaccines' that I ever came across. 

> https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-does-the-covid-vaccine-persist

Highly recommended.

 

[rumak]

5 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/joes-war-monday-december-23-2024

 

Thanks and yes, Jeff Childers on his free Coffee&Covid substack Newsletter always provides very to the point background and comments on the news events of the day. 

 

@rumak I just read one of the best insightful articles on 'Covid-vaccines' that I ever came across. 

> https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-does-the-covid-vaccine-persist

Highly recommended.

 

 

thanks !   I will read it .... have heard good things about MW doctor .

 

 C&C is my daily dose of "events of the day"

[Airalee]

6 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/joes-war-monday-december-23-2024

 

Thanks and yes, Jeff Childers on his free Coffee&Covid substack Newsletter always provides very to the point background and comments on the news events of the day. 

 

@rumak I just read one of the best insightful articles on 'Covid-vaccines' that I ever came across. 

> https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-does-the-covid-vaccine-persist

Highly recommended.

 

Midwestern doctor has had lots of great articles.  It’s usually commenters on various other websites that will link to relevant articles.  Thanks for the link!

[Tippaporn]

12 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/joes-war-monday-december-23-2024

 

Thanks and yes, Jeff Childers on his free Coffee&Covid substack Newsletter always provides very to the point background and comments on the news events of the day. 

 

@rumak I just read one of the best insightful articles on 'Covid-vaccines' that I ever came across. 

> https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-does-the-covid-vaccine-persist

Highly recommended.

 

 

And here's the chart from the peer reviewed study which successfully challenges all arguments for the continued use of the mRNA gene editing therapy.

 

 

There are those here who staunchly promote the mRNA gene editing therapy for one major reason and one major reason only; they've take the entire regimen of shots and are still breathing with zero perceivable side effects.  Thus their conclusion that the drug is safe is unassailable in their view.  They are, after all, the living proof of the drug's harmlessness.

 

What they fail to consider, or perhaps purposely ignore, is the fact that no bad drug ever kills all who take it.  But this chart makes defending the continued use of the Covid "vaccine" to be insanely irrational.  And just as insanely irresponsible.

[rumak]

51 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

What they fail to consider, or perhaps purposely ignore, is the fact that no bad drug ever kills all who take it.  But this chart makes defending the continued use of the Covid "vaccine" to be insanely irrational.  And just as insanely irresponsible.

 

Exactly ....... and then there are the  ?????number of seriously injured individuals who now live with the after effects of taking that "vaccine" .

Hundreds of thousands ?   Millions ?    

I do not have a "peer reviewed study" with that answer.... but it will be done 

[impulse]

58 minutes ago, rumak said:

Exactly ....... and then there are the  ?????number of seriously injured individuals who now live with the after effects of taking that "vaccine" .

Hundreds of thousands ?   Millions ?    

I do not have a "peer reviewed study" with that answer.... but it will be done 

 

And along with the debilitating symptoms (which I described above) comes the question "what processes and systems did they affect that's causing the symptoms", and the fear about whether that's going to progress and become worse over time.  How many years of healthy life have I lost?

 

 

[Tippaporn]

39 minutes ago, rumak said:

Exactly ....... and then there are the  ?????number of seriously injured individuals who now live with the after effects of taking that "vaccine" .

Hundreds of thousands ?   Millions ?    

I do not have a "peer reviewed study" with that answer.... but it will be done 

 

We've yet to get to the accountability phase of this massive human tragedy.  Once the scales have been tipped and suppression of the truth becomes impossible we can well imagine the scale of the criminality and the means by which it was implemented.

 

I doubt we'll ever learn the true numbers of those who were injured or killed by the mRNA gene editing "therapy."  Rough estimates will have to suffice.  Those rough estimates, though, will be awe inspiring nonetheless.

 

Just as we will never know the true numbers of deaths from the Wuhan virus itself.  Massive games were played with the attributions of death which can never be fully corrected.  According to Wiki the death toll stands between 7 and 35 million.  That would be an average of 21 million plus or minus 14 million.  The margin of error for that accounting is mind boggling . . . 66% either side of the estimated number.  What fool would ever believe that any number that has ever been given by anyone has even the remotest chance for any degree of accuracy.

 

Neither will we ever know the true number who died, or more bluntly, were killed due to the insane protocols that were put into place, such as prescribing Remdesivir, hooking people up to ventilators, and sending Covid victims with initial symptoms home, telling them not to come back until it was too late for them.  Do we have the WHO to thank for that?  Where were they in fulfilling their mandate?

 

Similarly, to believe the number of "lives saved" thrown out there by the pro-vaxxers would be just as ludicrous.  Nobody knows.  And it can't even be guessed for it's a question that's impossible to answer.  For any true answer would have to know what would have happened had someone not taken the injection.  Sorry to anyone who claims to know the answer because now you're in the realm of unknowable probabilities.  Anyone daring to make a claim of "lives saved" can only do so disingenuously.

[rumak]

Some (possibly) Good News ! 

 

 probably many here and elsewhere  unfortunately took the jabs ... not out of stupidity , but mostly just being unaware of all the lies and deceptions from the governments and even worse the medical cartel that has had free reign to brainwash the world into worshipping them..... 

And,  over time ( mostly the last year or two) ,  what has been covered up and censored is now finally coming to be seen .  That alone is a great triumph.

Oh yes... the good news is that the shots were manufactured in many many different facilities ,  and if "conspiracy theories"  are once again correct,  the thousands of batches produced were often very different.  That is why there were pockets of population where results were more catastrophic.  

Also, i personally believe that here in Thailand a lot of the shots were either weak or even placebos .  Though my "friends"  all got sick they came out of it ( future results yet to be seen ).  However, even on this forum site there are some serious reports of injury.

  

So........ if anyone had the shots ( hopefully not BOOSTERs and boosters) .... the human body is still pretty tough if one takes care of it .   All us "oldies"  should be taking some measures to keep our immune systems up to par .( and for that , the responsiblity lies with each individual ).  hint:  if people are still going to run first thing to the allopathic drugs ,  read those side effects ! 

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, rumak said:

Oh yes... the good news is that the shots were manufactured in many many different facilities ,  and if "conspiracy theories"  are once again correct,  the thousands of batches produced were often very different.  That is why there were pockets of population where results were more catastrophic. 

 

Early on I heard discussions about the differences being observed about the batches.  It was suggested that since the mRNA therapy was new and never before used publicly, especially at this scale, pharma didn't really have any firm idea about dosages.  The idea was that pharma was experimenting with the dosage in real time in the real world.  Now the reasoning was that no single location could be flooded with a single dosage else if the dosage were to be wrong then it would be quite evident to the public due to the concentration of adverse events.  So different dosages were spread around in different batches.

 

I'm not convinced that this is true, and though talked about neither was this theory taken as true by those theorising, although I would not put the deviousness out of the realm of possibilities for these people who are truly sinister and without morals.  With proper investigations I'm sure that if true then it will come out in the wash.

[rumak]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

And along with the debilitating symptoms (which I described above) comes the question "what processes and systems did they affect that's causing the symptoms", and the fear about whether that's going to progress and become worse over time.  How many years of healthy life have I lost?

 

 

 

I totally understand !   If doctoring and medicine were really what it "should be" .. a caring and thoughtful examination and entailing prognosis of what ails the patient ,

what a wonderful world it would be  🙂

Now, back to reality.   Too many people,  doctors nowadays give 5 minutes and 5 drugs to each case, and everyone wants to make money . 

So... I dream for centers where real health concerns could be addressed and taken care of .  Actually there are a few ( for the very wealthy) .   The rest of us need to forage through all the BS and youtube videos and alternate medicine websites looking first for what is the cause,  then onto what can be done to get healthy.

Where do you live ?

[Hawaiian]

4 hours ago, rumak said:

 

I totally understand !   If doctoring and medicine were really what it "should be" .. a caring and thoughtful examination and entailing prognosis of what ails the patient ,

what a wonderful world it would be  🙂

Now, back to reality.   Too many people,  doctors nowadays give 5 minutes and 5 drugs to each case, and everyone wants to make money . 

So... I dream for centers where real health concerns could be addressed and taken care of .  Actually there are a few ( for the very wealthy) .   The rest of us need to forage through all the BS and youtube videos and alternate medicine websites looking first for what is the cause,  then onto what can be done to get healthy.

Where do you live ?

Sometimes conclusive diagnoses can be very difficult to reach.  A few months ago I went the emergency room complaining of a shortness of breath.  Four hours latter after a battery of tests including blood work, chest x-ray, cat scans, Covid test, etc., the doctor could find nothing wrong and told me the tests showed the body of a teenager.  I am 84.  Upon discharge I felt relieved that the tests did eliminate some of my fears of something terrible.  My shortness of breath went away.  I told my PCP in a followup visit that I think my GERD might have something to do with it.  He didn't disagree.