Gaza Famine Alert Retracted Amid Diplomatic Backlash & Incorrect Data

[bradiston]

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Where did FEWS.NET get their info from ?

Really doesn't matter where they come from , they can be a pro Palarstiand group from the USSA deliberately  spreading lies about what is happening in Gaza , bit I expect that FEWS.NET got all their info from a Palestinian source inside Gaza

You bet? Oh boy.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, bradiston said:

Search as I might I can't find any retraction by FEWS, only references to it by 3rd parties. Where does FEWS announce its retraction? Not on their website as far as I can see. The Nov 12th post is the last on the subject there. Maybe you have a link to it?

That's because they haven't made a statement yet, again your not reading the OP............

 

"The swift withdrawal of the report has raised questions about the balance between accurately reporting humanitarian conditions and navigating diplomatic pressures. While FEWS NET has not commented publicly on its decision to remove the report, the retraction underscores the sensitive nature of information dissemination during times of conflict. "

 

Now back to these 45,000 civilains that have been killed that you were lying about......

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Search as I might I can't find any retraction by FEWS, only references to it by 3rd parties. Where does FEWS announce its retraction? Not on their website as far as I can see. The Nov 12th post is the last on the subject there. Maybe you have a link to it?

 

   Ha ha .

FEWS withdrew the report, deleted it , that's why you can  no longer see it there .

   You are asking for a link to the actual website that you are referencing .

   You are asking for  link to the FEWS website , the FEWS website where you cannot see the report (because its been deleted)

   You already have a link to that website , so why ask for someone else to provide another link to the same website ?

[bradiston]

14 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   45 000 civilians have NOT been killed .

What you wrote isn't true .

You MUST know that your figure isn't true , it been refuted many times already, yet you still keep posting untrue figures 

 

Links to the refuted figures please.

 

I posted 3 links to those figures. Here are some others.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war

 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-hamas-war-death-toll-1-year/story?id=114458943

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1422308/palestinian-territories-israel-number-fatalities-and-injuries-caused-by-the-israel-and-hamas-war/

 

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15944.doc.htm

 

And so on.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, bradiston said:

 

Links to the refuted figures please.

 

I posted 3 links to those figures. Here are some others.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war

 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-hamas-war-death-toll-1-year/story?id=114458943

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1422308/palestinian-territories-israel-number-fatalities-and-injuries-caused-by-the-israel-and-hamas-war/

 

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15944.doc.htm

 

And so on.

None of them back your claims, again stop spreading misinformation, why do you keep doing it when its not true?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, bradiston said:

There is no reference to it being retracted or taken down and nobody has yet provided one.

I gave you the link to the page where it is now no longer there.............click it, its not there. Read the OP

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, bradiston said:

 

Links to the refuted figures please.

 

I posted 3 links to those figures. Here are some others.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Israel–Hamas_war

 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/israel-hamas-war-death-toll-1-year/story?id=114458943

 

https://www.ochaopt.org/

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1422308/palestinian-territories-israel-number-fatalities-and-injuries-caused-by-the-israel-and-hamas-war/

 

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15944.doc.htm

 

And so on.

 

   I have that that discussion many many times on here already .

Have you seen the previous discussions ?

  Surely you must know what my response is going to be ?

Do I really have to write it again for you ?

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, bradiston said:

There is no reference to it being retracted or taken down and nobody has yet provided one.

 

   So you are claiming that there was never a FEWS news report about a famine and it was never published in the first place ?

   You are claiming that FEWS news didn't make the claim of 70 000 people facing starvation ?

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[JonnyF]

Good to see the US calling out the fake news of all these self serving fake news  organizations.

 

No wonder all the Woke anti semites have gone quiet. They know how big Trump's victory was.

 

You had a decent run guys, considering it was all gaslighting. But it's over. Yes Trump is old but he has titans like Musk and Vance just waiting to step into the fold. You overreached. It's over. 

 

 

[bradiston]

42 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

None of them back your claims, again stop spreading misinformation, why do you keep doing it when its not true?

They all quote similar figures. Can't you read?

[bradiston]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes correct, your lies, there have not been 45,000 civilians killed, that is an outright lie.

 

My facts:

 

Gaza Famine Alert Retracted Amid Diplomatic Backlash & Incorrect Data

https://aseannow.com/topic/1347177-gaza-famine-alert-retracted-amid-diplomatic-backlash-incorrect-data/

 

So all the sources I quote are also lying? Where do you go for your information?

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, bradiston said:

So all the sources I quote are also lying? Where do you go for your information?

No, they are not lying but they are not claiming the same as you. They are not claiming 45,000 civilians have been killed they are claiming around that figure for people. Their data is also incorrect. Go to the appropriate topics and discuss/check there.

 

Also check for how many Hamas have been killed that are included in those numbers, 20,000.

 

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[placnx]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Actually it was UNRWA that confirmed the data is wrong and agreed with the US officials rather than the report.

There is a recent report from UNWRA regarding around four beseiged refugee camps in north Gaza.

"Some parts of the North Gaza governorate have been under a tightened siege for more than ten weeks. Access remains extremely challenging and partners’ ongoing attempts to deliver aid into these besieged areas continues to be largely prevented, leaving 10,000-15,000 people without access to food, water, electricity or healthcare, as mass casualty incidents continue."

https://www.unrwa.org/resources/reports/unrwa-situation-report-152-situation-gaza-strip-and-west-bank-including-east-jerusalem

 

This is not the population of the North Gaza governate. Where is your link to your UNWRA claim?

 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, placnx said:

There is a recent report from UNWRA regarding around four beseiged refugee camps in north Gaza.

"Some parts of the North Gaza governorate have been under a tightened siege for more than ten weeks. Access remains extremely challenging and partners’ ongoing attempts to deliver aid into these besieged areas continues to be largely prevented, leaving 10,000-15,000 people without access to food, water, electricity or healthcare, as mass casualty incidents continue."

https://www.unrwa.org/resources/reports/unrwa-situation-report-152-situation-gaza-strip-and-west-bank-including-east-jerusalem

 

This is not the population of the North Gaza governate. Where is your link to your UNWRA claim?

 

Oh gawd, another who's not even read the OP before posting..........

[placnx]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

More lies from you, that report is from Nov, here is the retracted page where the report was:

 

https://fews.net/middle-east-and-asia/gaza/alert/december-2024

 

 

I just tried to access the above link, and FEWS website says "access denied". The November report already indicates a dire situation and is still accessible: https://fews.net/middle-east-and-asia/gaza/alert/november-2024

At that time the population in North Gaza was 75-95,000 people.

 

"A famine can be declared only when certain measures of mortality, malnutrition and hunger are met. They are: at least 20 per cent of households in an area face extreme food shortages with a limited ability to cope; acute malnutrition rates exceed 30 per cent; and the death rate exceeds two persons per day per 10,000 persons."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2011/07/382342

Actually, the Israeli COGAT & American ambassor's claim of a remaining population of 9-15000 people, means that based on the famine critieria quoted above the situation would be even more critical than with the higher population figure, so the retraction is entirely political, not based on the FEWS evidence-based approach. Mr Lew is just trying to confuse the public.

 

There is an obvious confusion between the remaining population of 3 beseiged camps and the population of North Gaza. The situation in North Gaza is described in the UN report in my earlier post.

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, placnx said:

I just tried to access the above link, and FEWS website says "access denied". The November report already indicates a dire situation and is still accessible: https://fews.net/middle-east-and-asia/gaza/alert/november-2024

At that time the population in North Gaza was 75-95,000 people.

 

"A famine can be declared only when certain measures of mortality, malnutrition and hunger are met. They are: at least 20 per cent of households in an area face extreme food shortages with a limited ability to cope; acute malnutrition rates exceed 30 per cent; and the death rate exceeds two persons per day per 10,000 persons."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2011/07/382342

Actually, the Israeli COGAT & American ambassor's claim of a remaining population of 9-15000 people, means that based on the famine critieria quoted above the situation would be even more critical than with the higher population figure, so the retraction is entirely political, not based on the FEWS evidence-based approach. Mr Lew is just trying to confuse the public.

 

There is an obvious confusion between the remaining population of 3 beseiged camps and the population of North Gaza. The situation in North Gaza is described in the UN report in my earlier post.

 

and? Read the OP why are you ignoring what it states and referring to an outdated report from Nov? We already had another poster here doing that.

[Nick Carter icp]

24 minutes ago, placnx said:

I just tried to access the above link, and FEWS website says "access denied". The November report already indicates a dire situation and is still accessible: https://fews.net/middle-east-and-asia/gaza/alert/november-2024

At that time the population in North Gaza was 75-95,000 people.

 

"A famine can be declared only when certain measures of mortality, malnutrition and hunger are met. They are: at least 20 per cent of households in an area face extreme food shortages with a limited ability to cope; acute malnutrition rates exceed 30 per cent; and the death rate exceeds two persons per day per 10,000 persons."

https://news.un.org/en/story/2011/07/382342

Actually, the Israeli COGAT & American ambassor's claim of a remaining population of 9-15000 people, means that based on the famine critieria quoted above the situation would be even more critical than with the higher population figure, so the retraction is entirely political, not based on the FEWS evidence-based approach. Mr Lew is just trying to confuse the public.

 

There is an obvious confusion between the remaining population of 3 beseiged camps and the population of North Gaza. The situation in North Gaza is described in the UN report in my earlier post.

 

 

   The supplied food wouldn't be enough for 70 000  people and there would be a famine .

   The supplied food is enough to feed 14 000 people , so there wouldn't be a famine .

  That's why the number of people there is significant 

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Gaza Famine Alert Retracted Amid Diplomatic Backlash & Incorrect Data

[koolkarl]

On 12/27/2024 at 7:13 AM, bradiston said:

Why Muslim sources and not Jewish? You trust those photos in the Jewish News Syndicate?  What incredible bias! You don't think Israel uses propaganda? They've been bombing and blockading Gaza for over a year. What do you think the likely effects of that might be, in addition to the deaths of over 45,000 civilians, and the wounding of over 100,000? The only reason they can get away with it is because of the White House's fanatical supporter for fanatical Israelis. And the blind support from islamophobes such as you.

If you believe in those numbers published by Hamas, you likely believe in the tooth fairy too.  Propaganda is one tool of 4 tools used by xxxxxxs to go after infidels.

[thaibeachlovers]

Oh, so those kids are not dying of starvation at all and all those people trying to get food are just actors in a movie- got it.

 

Gee wizz, just can't trust ANY media at all now.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, koolkarl said:

If you believe in those numbers published by Hamas, you likely believe in the tooth fairy too.  Propaganda is one tool of 4 tools used by xxxxxxs to go after infidels.

Whereas any media supporting israel is to be believed 100% at all times- got it.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh, so those kids are not dying of starvation at all and all those people trying to get food are just actors in a movie- got it.

 

Gee wizz, just can't trust ANY media at all now.

Yea you got it, its all on Al Jazeera for you

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Whereas any media supporting israel is to be believed 100% at all times- got it.

Of course you prefer to believe Hamas, that goes without saying 

[bradiston]

6 hours ago, koolkarl said:

If you believe in those numbers published by Hamas, you likely believe in the tooth fairy too.  Propaganda is one tool of 4 tools used by xxxxxxs to go after infidels.

And your own estimates are....?

[bradiston]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Of course you prefer to believe Hamas, that goes without saying 

And you believe whom?

[Bkk Brian]

29 minutes ago, bradiston said:

And you believe whom?

Whom? I believe facts. What a ridiculous question, do you really think I would believe the terrorists Hamas or Hamas supporting media?

 

Back on topic this is about Fews having the wrong data on their latest famine report and as a result removing it from their website.

[Patong2021]

On 12/26/2024 at 7:13 PM, bradiston said:

Why Muslim sources and not Jewish? You trust those photos in the Jewish News Syndicate?  What incredible bias! You don't think Israel uses propaganda? They've been bombing and blockading Gaza for over a year. What do you think the likely effects of that might be, in addition to the deaths of over 45,000 civilians, and the wounding of over 100,000? The only reason they can get away with it is because of the White House's fanatical supporter for fanatical Israelis. And the blind support from islamophobes such as you.

Civilians? Seriously? Your claim would mean that there are no Hamas military personnel in that number.  Who do you think has been firing missiles and rockets at Israel?

The civilans  you claim are the same people who are responsible for Hamas military logistics, ordinance support and supply, operating command and control centers, and Hamas military transport. Hamas has a network of supply that relies on the use of boys aged 10-16. They carry the munitions and other ordinance used.Often the munitions explode and they are injured. Their deaths are registered as civilian deaths. Your 45,000 number requires that one ignore  the tens of thousands of military deaths and the tens of thousands of support personnel deaths. Others who have died were Hamas family members who were used as. human shields and who were intended to die as part of the Hamas strategy.

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