American on Dirt Bike Kills Thai Woman Crossing Road in Chiang Mai

[atpeace]

Just now, 2long said:

Without scrolling through 10 pages, has anyone questioned how a motorbike can kill a pedestrian in what appears to be in a built up area?

for my, it would need to be 

- extreme speed

- extreme bad luck

- something else, such as an underlying health issue

 

It's not as if he was driving a truck

Happens all the time. Sadly happened with some friends in Phuket that shouldn't have been on bikes.  Killed an man walking on the shoulder.  

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, 2long said:

Without scrolling through 10 pages, has anyone questioned how a motorbike can kill a pedestrian in what appears to be in a built up area?

for my, it would need to be 

- extreme speed

- extreme bad luck

- something else, such as an underlying health issue

 

It's not as if he was driving a truck

 

It was in the news not so long ago how a man slipped on the steps at a resort and died after hitting his head. 

 

Thus - it doesn't take much speed at all to knock someone over, and they can easily hit their head on the ground. 

 

So...  very poor fortune I'd say.

 

[MalcolmB]

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

One road incident in well over two decades Malcy... Take your dumb gaslighting elsewhere or get better at it...  

I thought you were claiming that a Thai came out of a side street and hit you a couple of weeks ago?

If you are going to make up stories and least try and remember them.

[atpeace]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Its in Thai - your browser might be 'auto-translating' the article. 

 

 

Oh - thanks, it did it automatically. This new tech is amazing 🙂

[MalcolmB]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

It was in the news not so long ago how a man slipped on the steps at a resort and died after hitting his head. 

 

Thus - it doesn't take much speed at all to knock someone over, and they can easily hit their head on the ground. 

 

So...  very poor fortune I'd say.

 

Speed kills.

That is a fact

[richard_smith237]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

11 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

One road incident in well over two decades Malcy... Take your dumb gaslighting elsewhere or get better at it...  

I thought you were claiming that a Thai came out of a side street and hit you a couple of weeks ago?

If you are going to make up stories and least try and remember them.

 

Valid point...   I forgot about that...  while riding my scooter, a young lad who pulled out without looking and clipped my number-plate.

 

Yup - you've got me bang to rights there Malcy...   just so many incidents.....   

 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

It was in the news not so long ago how a man slipped on the steps at a resort and died after hitting his head. 

 

Thus - it doesn't take much speed at all to knock someone over, and they can easily hit their head on the ground. 

 

So...  very poor fortune I'd say.

 

Speed kills.

That is a fact

 

Dont be so dim... The point is that its not speed that kills in such circumstances...   A guy walking slipped over, banged his head and died...  thus, it doesn't take much speed at all - that was the point of the comment. 

 

 

Unless you are being so half-witted as counting anything beyond being perfectly still as a form of 'speed' in which case it could be argued that 'movement kills' but to do so would be extremely idiotic - I wouldn't put that past you. 

 

 

Additionally, the only reason you came up with your moronic 'speed kills' comments was to deflect from your drink driving....    No, if you mention excessive speed kills, we'd be in agreement. 

 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Again more usual rubbish from you - there is nothing in this article (in Thai) that is not already mentioned in the Op.

 

So don't try and pedal a Thai article that most people wont be able to read as if you are some culturally astute phenom when in reality there is no new information at all. 

Oh dear, that wasn’t for you, but anyway.

If you were half as smart as you think you are you would have seen that it linked to 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1056516996505048&id=100064402730843&set=a.648490497307702

 

Which has further information.

Including that the American accepts that it was his fault and is being praised by some for accepting responsibility for this women’s death. 

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Thats somewhat irrelevant to my point regarding if he was not at fault...    

 

I questioned  - If the American guy was riding 'normally' and the lady simply stepped out in front of him, why would jail time or any compensation be considered at all ???? - the answer of course it that it wouldn't !!... 

 

 

I'm just tossing in my two pennies worth, I've no interest in arguing the toss about it.

 

T-I-T, what will be, will be.

[SAFETY FIRST]

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Another assumption. I didn't say who was at fault. I suggested possibilities. Try comprehending better before you reply.

Freddie, you're ducking and weaving now. 

 

[smew]

Roads are for vehicles sidewalks for pedestrians. Was she crossing with caution or was she walking across without due care?

I see these saint cows crossing without any consideration for traffic around …

RIP

[MalcolmB]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Additionally, the only reason you came up with your moronic 'speed kills'

Higher driving speeds lead to higher collision speeds and thus to severer injury. Higher driving speeds also provide less time to process information and to act on it, and the braking distance is longer.

The higher the collision speed, the more serious the consequences in terms of injury and material damage. This is a law of physics that involves the quantity of kinetic energy that is converted in an instant into e.g. heat and matter distortion. In addition, the human body is physically very vulnerable in comparison with the enormous forces released in a collision. 
 

You seem to be trying to suggest that he was going at walking speed and the dead woman has just tripped over awkwardly. Farcical nonsense as usual.

 

Speed kills, and that is an accepted fact.
 

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Oh dear, that wasn’t for you, but anyway.

If you were half as smart as you think you are you would have seen that it linked to 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1056516996505048&id=100064402730843&set=a.648490497307702

 

Which has further information.

Including that the American accepts that it was his fault and is being praised by some for accepting responsibility for this women’s death. 

 

So you are taking your news from the facebook comments of Thai's who were not at the scene...   its no surprise to me that you can be so outrageously dim.

 

The American has not accepted fault...   social media (FB) commentators have interpreted that from his actions, thats all. 

 

I can't believe I'm even bothering to respond to your incessant idiocy - but you are now pedalling baseless social media commentary as fact. It’s not just idiotic; it’s actively deceptive.

 

 

 

 

 

[cdemundo]

8 hours ago, tamsam6 said:

Except for this at the end of the original article

"Police have indicated they will charge him with reckless driving causing death. "

Not sure how this was overlooked in all the bashing.

Yeah, your are right.

Others have called attention to it.

 

Seems like some people have made up their minds that the Thai police cannot be fair.

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Higher driving speeds lead to higher collision speeds and thus to severer injury. Higher driving speeds also provide less time to process information and to act on it, and the braking distance is longer.

The higher the collision speed, the more serious the consequences in terms of injury and material damage. This is a law of physics that involves the quantity of kinetic energy that is converted in an instant into e.g. heat and matter distortion. In addition, the human body is physically very vulnerable in comparison with the enormous forces released in a collision. 

 

Of course - 100% agree....   But you write it as if you have had some miraculous epiphany regarding speed when you are stating the obvious. 

 

But... in this tragic event,  there is no comment, or evidence of excessive speed and it doesn't take high speed or excessive speed to result in such a tragic outcome.

 

8 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

You seem to be trying to suggest that he was going at walking speed and the dead woman has just tripped over awkwardly. Farcical nonsense as usual.

 

No, but you are too stupid and too intent on shoe-horning in objection rather than to understand the comment. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Speed kills, and that is an accepted fact.

 

No one is denying or contradicting that - I'm not sure why you are even bothering bleeting on about it.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Are you ok  ???... You've just made post that doesn't show your nastiness towards other foreigners... 

a Thai woman has been killed recklessly by a foreigner and you are worried about “nasty” comments about the man who killed her?
 

RIP 

Ms. Ghia

 

Yawn... You really have to try harder with your pathetic gas lighting...

 

The American did not kill her....   she died in a traffic accident in which fault has not yet been established - until there is criminal liability, killed is far from the accurate term.

 

 

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[SAFETY FIRST]

11 hours ago, BarBoy said:

I would say it makes you worse.

I'm probably the most hated here. 

 

I choose not to interact frequently with other members comments like some here.

I mind my own business but sadly I often get nasty, hostile replies to my comments from those who are sad and miserable, the members who are unable to simply scroll past my opinions I have. 

 

Anyway, have a nice day. 

 

[BarBoy]

3 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I'm probably the most hated here.

I think I'm rather hot on your heels!!

[BangkokReady]

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

she didn't just appear out of nowhere

 

Is there a video?

[still kicking]

12 hours ago, PJ71 said:

hahhahahahahahahahaha

What's so funny ? The name says it all, dirt bike that means off road bike 

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I'm probably the most hated here. 

 

I often get nasty, hostile replies to my comments from those who have mental health issues, the ones that are unable to simply scroll past my opinions I have. 

 

Anyway, have a nice day. 

 

Somewhat hypocritical when I've ignored your nasty anti-foreigner comments throughout the thread until you called me 'Dick' !!! 

 

But, you're not hated, insignificant and not thought of at all is more accurate...  at least until you post something silly.

 

 

Your comments are of value though, its important that those of us without mental health issues, see the bigotry and distorted bias exampled in your comments... Its good to know that such people exist, its easier for us to see the patterns and avoid such deranged mindsets if encountering them in person.... 

 

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

she didn't just appear out of nowhere

 

Is there a video?

 

Agreed... She 'could' have very easily stepped out from parked vehicle, into the road directly into the path of the motorcyclist.... 

 

Thus - to suggest she didn't appear out of nowhere is a flaw. 

 

That said - it still has to be mentioned that plenty of other possibilities exists...  from standing on the centreline waiting to cross and getting hit by the motorcyclist who'd departed his lane, to running across the road and while the motorcyclist tried to avoid her, he couldn't - there are many possibilities where fault can be proportioned to either party or even shared. 

[BangkokReady]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

If he was not at fault and was simply riding down the road when the woman stepped out,  why would jail time or any compensation be considered at all ????

 

While I hope this is the case, "guilty until proven innocent" often seems to be the way with foreign people.  And if he cannot prove it wasn't his fault...  

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, still kicking said:

What's so funny ? The name says it all, dirt bike that means off road bike 

 

No it doesn't....   Its just the name for the style of a bike...   that by no means implies that it can't be used on a normal road. 

 

In fact the style of that bike is specifically for it to be ridden legally on the road to and from off-road locations.

 

 

[roo860]

43 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Oh dear, that wasn’t for you, but anyway.

If you were half as smart as you think you are you would have seen that it linked to 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1056516996505048&id=100064402730843&set=a.648490497307702

 

Which has further information.

Including that the American accepts that it was his fault and is being praised by some for accepting responsibility for this women’s death. 

There's quite a few Thais on that page that say, 'at least he didn't run away, as alot of Thais do'. He's actually not admitted any responsibility, just sorry that someone has died, so there's nothing else to add to the English version of events.

[SAFETY FIRST]

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

until you called me 'Dick' !!! 

I didn't mean anything nasty by calling you Dick, it's a nick name, similar to Gregory Greg, Thomas Tom, Micheal Mike etc.... 

 

 

We Aussie always have a little joke with you Richards, I hope you were not offended. 

 

Is it OK if I call you Inspector Richard in future? 

 

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

If he was not at fault and was simply riding down the road when the woman stepped out,  why would jail time or any compensation be considered at all ????

 

While I hope this is the case, "guilty until proven innocent" often seems to be the way with foreign people.  And if he cannot prove it wasn't his fault...  

 

While forums such as this do have those who'll shout accusations of bias, unfair and targeted treatment - the reality is often different - stories of fair treatment tend not to draw the same degree of attention.

 

We very rarely see the actual outcome of event such as this, there is never any follow up, so we are left with speculation. 

 

I would suggest that there would have to be proof that the American was at fault for him to be held to account from a criminal perspective.

 

There are no witness statements that suggest the American was doing anything wrong - he was just riding down the road (apparently) - unless there is evidence such as CCTV or dash-cam footage from nearby traffic there is no evidence from on which to charge, and without witness statements there is no basis to file charges. 

 

From the perspective of Thai Policing, I can't see how this can be treated as anything other than a tragic accident. 

 

 

[still kicking]

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

No it doesn't....   Its just the name for the style of a bike...   that by no means implies that it can't be used on a normal road. 

 

In fact the style of that bike is specifically for it to be ridden legally on the road to and from off-road locations.

 

 

dirt bike

[ˈdəːt bʌɪk]

noun

1. a motorcycle designed for use on rough terrain, such as unsurfaced roads or tracks, and used especially in scrambling.

[NorthernRyland]

1 hour ago, 2long said:

Without scrolling through 10 pages, has anyone questioned how a motorbike can kill a pedestrian in what appears to be in a built up area?

for my, it would need to be 

- extreme speed

- extreme bad luck

- something else, such as an underlying health issue

 

Dirt bikes are tall and could smash your organs on impact? On the other hand even a normal fall can kill you if you if you hit your head on impact with the ground.