American on Dirt Bike Kills Thai Woman Crossing Road in Chiang Mai

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, ChaiyaTH said:

1 hour ago, Moonlover said:

Ok so I'll swing it around a bit. Last week a Thai family of 6 was wiped out in a pick up accident. That attracted just 2 posts!

 

That was local news too and a whole lot more tragic than this one.

 

1 hour ago, ChaiyaTH said:

It's an expat / foreigner forum, I guess you really don't get it so never mind.

Oh I do 'get it' In fact I'd got it before I even started my musing. 

 

The answer to my comment about the mind set on this forum is this:

 

We are more important than them!

[MalcolmB]

Morrow was charged after the investigation showed he’d been riding his bike alongside a pal on a motorbike when he hit the pedestrian, police said.

He may also have been speeding at the time, according to Asia Pacific Press.

“As for whether repenting and apologising would help reduce his punishment, we don’t know,” Police Col. Jakarin Atthasongphong, superintendent of the Mae On Police Station, told the wire service.
https://nypost.com/2025/01/03/world-news/bike-riding-us-tourist-falls-to-knees-after-killing-pedestrian-in-thailand/

 

[Captain Flack]

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[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Got intel that he is needing to pay a lot of moneys to settle. If not jail.

Fair enough too.

Speeding and riding illegally he should actually pay compensation and go to jail.

I am seeing his remorse and tears is more for himself than actually caring for the woman he killed.

All a bit of an act?

[atpeace]

5 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Fair enough too.

Speeding and riding illegally he should actually pay compensation and go to jail.

I am seeing his remorse and tears is more for himself than actually caring for the woman he killed.

All a bit of an act?

I enjoy most your posts.  Your timing of posting the most frustrating comments is admirable.  You understand that most humans are blindly concerned about being correct and  enjoy playing with this weakness.  Got me a couple times - Cheers

[MalcolmB]

4 minutes ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

A bit of a Troll IMO. The statement was that he might have been speeding. "Riding illegally" you'll need to explain.

He was charged.

Riding side by side I am assuming on a single lane road.
 

[Captain Flack]

If you can’t discuss the topic, either stop posting or accept a time out.

 

@transam all you are doing is trying to bait another poster, discuss the topic, not the person

[transam]

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

He was charged.

Riding side by side I am assuming on a single lane road.
 

So what.......Do 2 bikes fit comfortably together in a single lane or not...............?

 

Try harder, your hang him high thing is a bit thin.. 😂

[Jonnydynamo]

On 1/3/2025 at 12:07 PM, NorthernRyland said:

Very unlikely there's any video evidence unless it was  a security camera on a home. They didn't say where exactly this happened but you can kind of see from the picture it was a small 2 lane road.

 

Here's a random but representative road in Mae On district. As seen on the map this is a very rural area next to the mountains. These dirt bikes amongst others love speeding through the little villages on their day trips. The victim could have been some elderly women who isn't prepared to deal with high speed traffic.

 

The one thing we DO know is that you should always be respectful and never drive fast in residential zones until you're out on the open road. Even if  you hit someone and it was their fault the Thais likely won't care and expect you to watch out for others, regardless of what they do.

 

Look how they live right on the side of the road. They step one foot outside and they're on the road. It's an accident waiting to happen so be careful.

 

 

 

I read that it happened on highway 1317, which is a pretty big road with a lot of fast moving traffic. I use it pretty much every week to go climbing in Mae On. I think he was just very unlucky.

[Centigrade32]

5 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

He was charged.

Riding side by side I am assuming on a single lane road.
 

 

So you want him to go to jail because they were riding alongside each other? Baiting behaviour is silly. You can do better than that.

[bkk6060]

3 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Got intel that he is needing to pay a lot of moneys to settle. If not jail.

Wonder what the cost of a human life is here.

[roo860]

56 minutes ago, Jonnydynamo said:

I read that it happened on highway 1317, which is a pretty big road with a lot of fast moving traffic. I use it pretty much every week to go climbing in Mae On. I think he was just very unlucky.

Me as well, ride it on my KTM, it's a wide road!

[richard_smith237]

6 hours ago, khunJam said:

The evidence is crystal clear…the wreckless rider killed somebody walking and he admitted to it.

 

I'll humour you.... What actual evidence is there ??? go on, list any evidence.

 

6 hours ago, khunJam said:

Besides the lady did not hit the motorcycle.

 

This highlights a worrying lack of intelligence. 

[richard_smith237]

5 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Amazing isn't it. There have been more posts and pages in one day on this relatively minor incident than have been on the major disaster that took place in Korea 6 days ago.

 

This post 14 pages 400 posts

 

Disaster in Korea  12 pages 342 posts

 

What does that say about the mind set of this forum I wonder.

 

There was no Westerner to automatically blame in the Jeju Air 2216 discussion... 

[richard_smith237]

3 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Ok so I'll swing it around a bit. Last week a Thai family of 6 was wiped out in a pick up accident. That attracted just 2 posts!

 

That was local news too and a whole lot more tragic than this one.

 

Are you suggesting that the amount of posts there are on a thread must be directly proportional to the tragedy and other factors are not involved ?....

 

I don't think anyone would suggest that a Thai on Thai incident is any less tragic at all - but some threads naturally draw more interest because of:

- how the incident unfolded (or may have)

- an information void

- arguments evolving around misinformation

- who is involved

- arguments evolving around bigoted and dumb comments

- updated information 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Moonlover said:

 

Oh I do 'get it' In fact I'd got it before I even started my musing. 

 

The answer to my comment about the mind set on this forum is this:

 

We are more important than them!

 

I don't think its that at all moon...  a lot of the comments on this thread has been from people such as myself 'countering' dumb accusations that the American must be at fault when there is no evidence - so that has filled up a lot of space. 

 

There is also a void of information here that leads to conjecture and guess work - some of it from delusional Thai Apologists.

 

This is also of note, as many of us ride, so this 'could' happen to a lot of us - thus there is personal interest in what happens, what could happen and how this is dealt with.

 

So I don't think this thread is 'larger' than others because 'we think we are more important than Thais', not at all, but there is certainly additional interest because a Westerner was involved - but that doesn't automatically mean what you suggest it does.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

6 hours ago, cdemundo said:

I think the fact that he was charged with "reckless driving causing death" enters into it.

 

That doesn't enter into it at all....     Its been mentioned numerous times throughout this thread (by myself and others).

 

Whenever there a death occurs in a road traffic incident with two vehicles, the driver / rider of the other vehicle is automatically charged with "reckless driving causing death".

 

This occurs in any such incident, regardless of proof, regardless of fault etc - its simply standard SOP for the way the Thai Police respond - in most cases, without any proof all such charges are very quickly dropped. 

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

13 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

??? - its riding gear - how is it freaky ? - surely you've seen riding gear GG ?

 

Can't say that I have.

 

On my CB450s...riding around Martha's Vineyard...

I wore a bathing suit....

Or nothing at all.

 

90-miles an hour, girl, in a bathing suit.

 

That's the speed I drive.

Same as Jimi.

 

 

And, I wouldn't never be caught dead on a Dirt-Bike....neither.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, thailand49 said:

What he did was wrong!  But will he get what the person who killed the Doctor in Bangkok crosswalk get? Police?  He was going 110 KM/H.

The incident was somewhat different - the Policeman was speeding on an unlicensed motorcycle and the Opthamologist was crossing at a pedestrian crossing. 

 

Initially, in April 2022, the Criminal Court sentenced him to one year and 15 days in prison and fined him 4,000 baht.

However, in January 2024, the Court of Appeal deemed this punishment too lenient and increased his sentence to five years and one month.

 

[GammaGlobulin]

7 hours ago, TedG said:

 

This is false.  You need a motorcycle endorsement on your license in the USA. Which requires a class.  

 

Laws change.

I am only speaking from my own experience.

 

[GammaGlobulin]

7 hours ago, TedG said:

What makes you think it’s not road worthy? 

 

What makes you think that it is?

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

He was charged.

Riding side by side I am assuming on a single lane road.

 

Anyone involved in such an incident is automatically charged - how are you failing to understand this ?

 

There is nothing illegal about riding side by side. 

 

You have posted photos of the road yourself - its not single lane, you know this already.

 

One news report (asia pacific press) which states 'he may have been speeding' is not evidence or fact.

 

 

 

Your propensity for taking heresay and social media commentary to shoe horn into your bias prejudice as fact is ridiculous and also wrongly misleading for those stupid enough to align themselves with your nonsense. 

 

 

 

 

[sambum]

On 1/3/2025 at 8:36 AM, fredwiggy said:

If I had a nickel for all the assumptions I hear on this forum I could run against Trump in the next election. He may have been driving straight, at a normal speed, and the woman could have walked across the road without looking, which I see daily here all the years I've lived here. The only evidence that could judge this is CCTV. They're quick to decide against foreigners regarding traffic incidents here, which is prejudiced thinking before any evidence is there.

 

I got told a few years  ago that when there is an accident involving a Thai and a foreigner, it's always the foreigner's fault as if he/she hadn't been there in ther first place the  accident wouldn't have happened ! 

 

A friend of mine was on a motor bike taxi which was involved in an accident, and the motor bike taxi rider/driver wanted my friend to pay for the damage, as if he hadn't hired him, the accident wouldn't have happened!!! Needless to say, my friend didn't pay, and walked away! But these days, the chances of the rider being armed and aggressive, or having a bunch of Thai "mates" to back him up seem quite high! 

[Ralf001]

32 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

I got told a few years  ago that when there is an accident involving a Thai and a foreigner, it's always the foreigner's fault as if he/she hadn't been there in ther first place the  accident wouldn't have happened ! 

 

 

 

Yeah thats just bar stool bull<deleted>.

 

I have had not a fault accidents here.... police have correctly pointed blame to the Thai person.

[richard_smith237]

 

7 minutes ago, sambum said:

I got told a few years  ago that when there is an accident involving a Thai and a foreigner, it's always the foreigner's fault as if he/she hadn't been there in ther first place the  accident wouldn't have happened ! 

 

A friend of mine was on a motor bike taxi which was involved in an accident, and the motor bike taxi rider/driver wanted my friend to pay for the damage, as if he hadn't hired him, the accident wouldn't have happened!!! Needless to say, my friend didn't pay, and walked away! But these days, the chances of the rider being armed and aggressive, or having a bunch of Thai "mates" to back him up seem quite high! 

 

The person who told you was a fool spreading daft misinformation while trying to play the roll of experienced long timer.. 

 

This barstool fallacy was already addressed when GG mentioned the same daft comment... 

 

 

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

17 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

If the tourist had stayed in America, then that old lady would still be alive.

And no need for anyone to say....sorry.

 

Does the utter stupidity of the above comment really need to be explained to you GG ???

 

This is a dumb as the 'taxi argument' whereby it is sometimes quoted by some galactically halfwitted fool that 'If you are in a taxi and it is involved in an accident it is your fault as had you not been there, the taxi would not have been in that location to have the accident in the first place'....    

[sambum]

23 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Yeah thats just bar stool bull<deleted>.

 

I have had not a fault accidents here.... police have correctly pointed blame to the Thai person.

 

Did you read the second paragraph of my post? 

[Ralf001]

22 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

Did you read the second paragraph of my post? 

 

Yeah I did... but qouting the bull<deleted> part was relevant.

[sambum]

21 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Yeah I did... but qouting the bull<deleted> part was relevant.

 

"qouting the bullsh1t" Spell check kaput?

 

My first paragraph was meant to point out a familiar tale told by "oldies" to "newbies", and the second paragraph was to point out that sometimes it does actually  happen!

[Ralf001]

3 minutes ago, sambum said:

 

"qouting the bullsh1t" Spell check kaput?

 

My first paragraph was meant to point out a familiar tale told by "oldies" to "newbies", and the second paragraph was to point out that sometimes it does actually  happen!

 

Yeah just reinforcing your post, don't get ya knickers in a twist princess.

[GammaGlobulin]

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

What makes you think that it is?

 

 

One reason this dirt-bike is not roadworthy is its muffler system.

These dirt-bikes are just too noisy for the local roads.

They cause much disturbance to the community.

And, they are often driven too fast.

 

Also, other reasons these bikes should not be on the roads, which I will mention later, if anyone might be interested.