Yes, Virginia, Donald J. Trump WILL be the first convicted felon to become U.S. president

[rasg]

13 hours ago, BusyB said:

The empty vessel Vance and the boyman Musk are puppets of the most malignant and dark forces the US has seen since McCarthy. And then some. The incompetents and favorites Trump wants to install will be no constitutional bulwark against them. Quite the opposite - they fawn over those types.

Funniest thing I have read this year so far but it is only January.

The malignant and dark forces and the incompetents were voted out on 5th November, thank goodness. 

[rasg]

19 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

In Trump's first impeachment trial, the Senate voted 52-48 to acquit.

 

In Trump's second impeachment trial, the Senate voted 57-43 to convict. He remained in office because it takes 67 senators' votes in favor of conviction to remove a president from office. All Democrats, all Independents and seven Republicans voted for conviction. So it is fair to say that the majority of senators in the second impeachment trial voted to remove him from office. It just wasn't enough to do so. 

And that's why he was acquitted. At least Trump found out who the RINOs were and many of them have now gone and the rest will follow soon too.

[Hawaiian]

36 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

 

Not really.  You seem to confuse what it means to be impeached.  But hey the internet is replete with people who don't understand things. 

You must be referring to yourself. 

[Hawaiian]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

It because of opinions like that that Trump became popular enough to win, IMO. Soooo you helped him win

You got that right.  Karma works in mysterious ways.

[rasg]

Trump is having his celebt

13 hours ago, jas007 said:

 

You wasted a lot of time worrying about something that's not going to happen.  The American people have spoken. The electoral votes have been counted.  And congress will certify the results on January 6, baring some kind of shut down because of there snow and ice. 

 

The Electoral Count Reform Act requires that one-fifth of each chamber must support an objection to force a vote on a state’s electors. If there are no objections from at least 20% of the members in both chambers, the certification proceeds without interruption. In other words, it's politics, it's business as usual, and it's a done deal. 
   

 

I have no doubt they are planning something to prevent Trump's inauguration. Jamie Raskin has been talking about using the 14th Amendment but it won’t work. For some strange reason I cannot fully fathom, Trump is having is having his celebration party on the 19th January, the day before the inauguration.   

[Hawaiian]

9 minutes ago, rasg said:

Trump is having his celebt

I have no doubt they are planning something to prevent Trump's inauguration. Jamie Raskin has been talking about using the 14th Amendment but it won’t work. For some strange reason I cannot fully fathom, Trump is having is having his celebration party on the 19th January, the day before the inauguration.   

Could it have anything to do with who the federal holiday commemorates?

[jimmybcool]

35 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

You must be referring to yourself. 

 

If you disagree with my position try to articulate where I am in error.  I await an intelligent difference of opinion.

[mogandave]

4 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

It's quite obvious you are TOTALLY confused and have no idea what you are talking about. 

He was disbarred, yes?

[jimmybcool]

41 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

You must be referring to yourself. 

Is it the fact Clinton wasn't removed from office you think he was found innocent?  Love to hear what part you disagree with.

 

After nearly 14 hours of debate, the House of Representatives approves two articles of impeachment against President Bill Clinton, charging him with lying under oath to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice. Clinton, the second president in American history to be impeached, vowed to finish his term.

[Cryingdick]

It is just going to get thrown out anyway so doesn't matter.

[herfiehandbag]

On 1/4/2025 at 1:47 PM, Hawaiian said:

With Trump's ego, no way will it happen

Trump has an unlimited ego.

 

Musk has unlimited money.

 

Which means more to Donald, money or his ego?

 

We are perhaps in uncharted waters.

[jimmybcool]

18 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Trump has an unlimited ego.

 

Musk has unlimited money.

 

Which means more to Donald, money or his ego?

 

We are perhaps in uncharted waters.

 

Pretty sure EVERY candidate for president in the last 50 years has unlimited ego.  Most just do a better job of hiding it than Trump.  🤣

[jas007]

1 hour ago, rasg said:

Trump is having his celebt

I have no doubt they are planning something to prevent Trump's inauguration. Jamie Raskin has been talking about using the 14th Amendment but it won’t work. For some strange reason I cannot fully fathom, Trump is having is having his celebration party on the 19th January, the day before the inauguration.   

Possibly something to do with the DC traffic on Inauguration Day. 

 

The very first day I moved to DC as an adult (I lived there when I was a one-year-old) was the night of GW Bush's first inauguration.  I flew into Reagan National Airport on a late night flight.  I think I arrived around midnight.  Anyway, when it came time to take a cab out of there, no cabs were available,  Apparently, they were all in DC taking people around to all the inauguration parties.  I must have stood out in the freezing cold for over an hour, waiting for some cabs to show up. Me and a whole line of other people.  I can only assume the transportation options were better the night before the inauguration. 

[gamb00ler]

11 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

This has nothing to do with mathematics.

I posted that he won the popular vote in 34 out of 50 states, but you as a sore lefty loser have problem with that fact?

You've pointed out a fact that is totally irrelevant to the US election process.  Please proceed directly to the bottom of the logic class.

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

Trump has an unlimited ego.

 

Musk has unlimited money.

 

Which means more to Donald, money or his ego?

 

We are perhaps in uncharted waters.

I'll think Trump's ego will get the best of him.  He doesn't need any more campaign contributions and his enemies will be watching very closely for any questionable business deals involving Musk.

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, jimmybcool said:

Is it the fact Clinton wasn't removed from office you think he was found innocent?  Love to hear what part you disagree with.

 

After nearly 14 hours of debate, the House of Representatives approves two articles of impeachment against President Bill Clinton, charging him with lying under oath to a federal grand jury and obstructing justice. Clinton, the second president in American history to be impeached, vowed to finish his term.

It's senseless to have any further discussion with you.  Good bye.

[gamb00ler]

11 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

This has nothing to do with mathematics.

I posted that he won the popular vote in 34 out of 50 states, but you as a sore lefty loser have problem with that fact?

Since you love useless statistics I'll give you one about GOP states.  All the states that have more cows than voters voted for #47.

[TedG]

14 hours ago, placeholder said:

First of all, 10% of what? Something illegal? What was that illegal act? And it was posted when Joe Biden was not in office  But since we know that Hunter Biden repeatedly invoked his father's name as a scam, what's your point. There was also this:

 A former business partner of Hunter’s named Tony Bobulinski came forward to claim “the big guy” was Joe Biden. But a subsequent email from Hunter says his “Chairman” gave him “an emphatic no,” and a further email clarifies that the chairman is his dad.

https://www.vox.com/22992772/hunter-biden-laptop

 

I thought the laptop was Russian disinformation.   

[TedG]

1 minute ago, gamb00ler said:

Since you love useless statistics I'll give you one about GOP states.  All the states that have more cows than voters voted for #47.

We know cows are smarter than progressives.  

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

I thought the laptop was Russian disinformation.   

You're too intelligent for a comment like that. 

[TedG]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

You're too intelligent for a comment like that. 

Well, 51 people in the DNC rolodex said it was. 

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, rasg said:

You forgot to mention that not only were the two impeachments trumped up to get rid of him, he was convicted by neither of them.

You know the so-called felonies that were not actually felonies will be thrown out on appeal and Judge Merchan will at least have ended his own legal career at the minimum.

The impeachment grounds were legitimate. The Senate not convicting was a political action not a legal one. Trump's two impeachments will stand forever in history. Fact.

[RPCVguy]

7 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

On March 4,2024, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled Colorado cannot ban Trump from the presidential ballot.  While specifically naming Colorado it applies to all states.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68280062

The Supreme Court sidestepped the issue of the insurrection. Their decision limited a state's ability to keep people off a ballot for national elections such as the presidency. They said only the (hopelessly divided) Congress could exclude someone from being on the ballot. The BBC article you supplied also points to:

Quote

In issuing its opinion, the nine Supreme Court justices sidestepped some of the biggest political landmines in this case.
They did not opine on whether Mr Trump had, in fact, engaged in insurrection on 6 January 2021. They didn't discuss whether the attack on the US Capitol by the former president's supporters constituted an insurrection at all (or was a riot, as characterised by one of Mr Trump's lawyers).
The court also didn't delve into whether presidents are specifically exempt from the 14th Amendment's insurrection language, another of Mr Trump's legal arguments in challenging the Colorado decision.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68395816

The SCOTUS decision avoided the key elements of the 14th Amendment, already built in. That being a 2/3rds vote by both the House and Senate to absolve the taint of insurrectionist which otherwise would allow such a person to hold office. The 14th Amendment added a disqualification clause to the three qualifications initially listed in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Donald Trump referred to the above constitutional qualification when he said he wasn't worried about Elon Musk becoming president because Musk was born in S. Africa.  i.e. he accepts rules and refers to them as authority WHEN IT SERVES HIM.
He had previously tried to disqualify first Obama, then Ted Cruz on such grounds - except they did have requisite document as to their being citizens.  He also accepts that elections were fairly conducted - when the results favor him. The CONGRESS CERTIFIED - IN 2021 AND NOW IN 2025, that the elections were properly run and counted, but Trump only acknowledges this one.

The 2024 election proceeded without settling the issue of the 14th Amendment's disqualification clause prohibiting an insurrectionist from holding office. The Federal and state trials were successfully delayed by Trump's attorneys, the election was held and now the legal question remains. Just like age, citizenship and residency, the 14th Amendment separates who is and who is not eligible to be president.
Rules and Laws should matter in a society. The storming of the capitol on Jan 6th, 2021 was by people called to the capitol by Trump, and roused to march on to the capitol by Trump, and aroused further by speeches and Tweets as to actions by Pence. Trump lost that election and evidence presented in the congressional proceedings and court cases since then indicate he conspired in Obstruction of an Official Proceeding; Conspiracy to Defraud the United States; Conspiracy to Make a False Statement and "Incite," "Assist" or "Aid and Comfort" an Insurrection.

By the letter of the law, unless and until Congress absolves Trump of his actions, he is not legally eligible to be president.
I again state that I expect the charade to continue. The nation is poised to be run like a circus, with Trump as the ringmaster and the rule of reasoned laws a matter of history. How fast the transition is the question the remains to be seen.

 

[G_Money]

12 hours ago, placeholder said:

In other words, you've got nothing to rebut the evidence I've offered. Nothing.

And you believe fake news.  That’s all you got.

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, TedG said:

Well, 51 people in the DNC rolodex said it was. 

Better read their statement again. Also look at the origin of the laptop and the path it travelled.

 

Again, you know better.

[Dan O]

16 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Still clinging to the years ago debunked narrative the laptop was Russian disinfo? Hunter has already confirmed its his btw. If you explained why the Chinese, Russians, Romanians and Ukrainians were chucking 10s of millions of dollars at the bidens when Joe was VP it might be worth stating it.

 

So far, not one single person has accounted for the payments and the need for webs of LLCs, only to use censorship to quash discussion and falsely. Funny you have actual corruption, treason even and you ignore it to obsess of someone having a fling with a porn star decades ago. Just no logic in play there whatsoever.

Nations all over the world hire people they believe to be influential to the cause or company just like the lobbist inside the USA. Its not illegal if doing it according  to the current laws although it is highly questionable that other nations and lobbyist can do this. As for having  multiple llc set up to process your payments and remove legal accountability for tax, LLC's are also used every day by normal citizens.

 

As for comparing hiring a Biden to sit on a foreign board vs trumps fling with a porn star is ridiculous and idiotic as thats not the only thing he's done, far from it. For some reason the trump cult is more than willing to look the other way or deny he did any wrong. Hypocritical in every sense of the meaning 

[Hawaiian]

31 minutes ago, RPCVguy said:

The Supreme Court sidestepped the issue of the insurrection. Their decision limited a state's ability to keep people off a ballot for national elections such as the presidency. They said only the (hopelessly divided) Congress could exclude someone from being on the ballot. The BBC article you supplied also points to:

The SCOTUS decision avoided the key elements of the 14th Amendment, already built in. That being a 2/3rds vote by both the House and Senate to absolve the taint of insurrectionist which otherwise would allow such a person to hold office. The 14th Amendment added a disqualification clause to the three qualifications initially listed in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Donald Trump referred to the above constitutional qualification when he said he wasn't worried about Elon Musk becoming president because Musk was born in S. Africa.  i.e. he accepts rules and refers to them as authority WHEN IT SERVES HIM.
He had previously tried to disqualify first Obama, then Ted Cruz on such grounds - except they did have requisite document as to their being citizens.  He also accepts that elections were fairly conducted - when the results favor him. The CONGRESS CERTIFIED - IN 2021 AND NOW IN 2025, that the elections were properly run and counted, but Trump only acknowledges this one.

The 2024 election proceeded without settling the issue of the 14th Amendment's disqualification clause prohibiting an insurrectionist from holding office. The Federal and state trials were successfully delayed by Trump's attorneys, the election was held and now the legal question remains. Just like age, citizenship and residency, the 14th Amendment separates who is and who is not eligible to be president.
Rules and Laws should matter in a society. The storming of the capitol on Jan 6th, 2021 was by people called to the capitol by Trump, and roused to march on to the capitol by Trump, and aroused further by speeches and Tweets as to actions by Pence. Trump lost that election and evidence presented in the congressional proceedings and court cases since then indicate he conspired in Obstruction of an Official Proceeding; Conspiracy to Defraud the United States; Conspiracy to Make a False Statement and "Incite," "Assist" or "Aid and Comfort" an Insurrection.

By the letter of the law, unless and until Congress absolves Trump of his actions, he is not legally eligible to be president.
I again state that I expect the charade to continue. The nation is poised to be run like a circus, with Trump as the ringmaster and the rule of reasoned laws a matter of history. How fast the transition is the question the remains to be seen.

 

And I expect you to continue talking to yourself. 

[Dan O]

9 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

And I expect you to continue talking to yourself. 

Speaking the truth helps inform many less aware people of facts that actually occurred and not revisionist or history denial group. ]

 

 

 

[jas007]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The impeachment grounds were legitimate. The Senate not convicting was a political action not a legal one. Trump's two impeachments will stand forever in history. Fact.

What???

 

Trump was "impeached" two times.  That just means a vote was taken to go ahead with a trial in the Senate.  While you may call the vote in the Senate following the trial a "political" move, it was nonetheless a crucial part of a legal proceeding and part of the Constitutional framework for the proceedings. 

[candide]

2 hours ago, TedG said:

Well, 51 people in the DNC rolodex said it was. 

It's not what they said.

Anyway, very bad from them, knowing that Giuliani eagerly supplied all the MSM with copies of the laptop so that they could authenticate it!

Oh wait! 😆