Starmer Condemns 'Lies and Misinformation' Over Child Sexual Abuse

[Eloquent pilgrim]

23 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You clearly have not read the Inquiries Act 2005, I have.

 

 

Typical of your smug arrogance to claim that someone else has read, or not read, something, when in reality, you have no idea whatsoever.

 

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

9 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Ah, so you don't mean "white" then?  Just checking 🙄

 

Did you do any research before using the term (inaccurately)?

 

"The concept of an indigenous population can be complex, especially in regions with a long history of migration and cultural exchange. In the UK, the term "indigenous" is not typically used in the same way as it is in countries like Norway or Canada, where there are recognized indigenous groups with distinct cultural identities.

In the UK, the closest groups that could be considered indigenous are the Scottish Highlands and Islands' Gaelic-speaking communities, the Welsh, and the Cornish people. These groups have distinct languages, cultures, and histories that date back thousands of years. However, they do not have the same legal status or recognition as indigenous peoples elsewhere."

 

It would have been helpful if you had used google before asking me to explain the meaning of indigenous, rather than researching it after I had explained it to you.

 

.. and I don’t mean white, because I did not say so.

 

 

 

[Sir Dude]

Starmer loves the EU... but the EU is like "Hotel California" ... can never really leave.

[Sir Dude]

Those that disagree are taking part in the warm colitas rising throught he air... haha.

[Bkk Brian]

It’s time to get justice for the victims of the rape gangs. Today the @Conservatives will force a vote on a full national inquiry into this scandal. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Well of course the government set the terms of reference for the Inquiry, but the inquiry was totally independent within the set framework; not “Tory run” as you erroneously, and deceitfully claimed.

 

 

After the Government had determined exactly what the terms of reference were.

 

Now all you ‘Labour are afraid of something’ merchants have to come up with is some evidence of the Tories setting terms of reference that covered up or avoided exposing Labour misdeeds.

 

[Bkk Brian]

<deleted> unbelievable. This from Jess Phillips. 

 

 

"There are people who should have lost their jobs, people who should probably go to prison, who didn't because they actively covered it up rather than just were crap at their jobs, I don't need a national enquiry to tell me that. Nothing is off the table and if the victims come forward to me in the victims panel that I will make and they say actaully we think there needs to be an National Enquiry into this or a linking up, I will listen to them."

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

42 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

After the Government had determined exactly what the terms of reference were.

 

 

Which is always the case with such inquiries; but it was an independent inquiry, whereas you claimed it was “Tory run” .. which is a lie, so you lied and posted false information on this forum, and you now refuse to retract your lie and apologise.

 

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

40 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Typical of your smug arrogance to claim that someone else has read, or not read, something, when in reality, you have no idea whatsoever.

 

 

 

Odd thing to say given it was you who accused me of being, ‘a breathtaking lack of knowledge’ on this matter.

 

And yet here you are today conceding the points I make on the law and procedure of inquiries.

 

There’s no ‘smug arrogance’ in having read the laws applying to inquiries long before ever commenting on how they proceed.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Which is always the case with such inquiries; but it was an independent inquiry, whereas you claimed it was “Tory run” .. which is a lie, so you lied and posted false information on this forum, and you now refuse to retract your lie and apologise.

 

 

 

 

You don’t need to lecture me on your new found awareness of the application of the Inquiries Act 2005, it was me who introduced its existence into your awareness.

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t need to lecture me on your new found awareness of the application of the Inquiries Act 2005, it was me who introduced its existence into your awareness.

 

And it's totally irrelevant to the situation there is now.

[G_Money]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t need to lecture me on your new found awareness of the application of the Inquiries Act 2005, it was me who introduced its existence into your awareness.

 

Similar as when you introduced us Yanks to Project 2025? 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t need to lecture me on your new found awareness of the application of the Inquiries Act 2005, it was me who introduced its existence into your awareness.

 

 

You said the inquiry was “Tory run” which it was not; it was a totally independent inquiry, so you lied and posted false information on this forum, and you are now writhing around in obfuscation and embarrassment, because you cannot summon the good grace to accept your error.

 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

What’s actually going on is the Tories trying to delay implementation of the recommendations of the actual inquiry, that they the Tories failed to act upon.

 

Fortunately, Labour have a big enough majority to proceed with the Children’s Bill and ignore the Tories creating a noise to cover their own failing:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgngd52z71o.amp

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Similar as when you introduced us Yanks to Project 2025? 

I didn’t.

 

That’s on its way.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

You said the inquiry was “Tory run” which it was not; it was a totally independent inquiry, so you lied and posted false information on this forum, and you are now writhing around in obfuscation and embarrassment, because you cannot summon the good grace to accept your error.

 

 

 

I think you should stop calling people liars on the basis of a different opinion.

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What’s actually going on is the Tories trying to delay implementation of the recommendations of the actual inquiry, that they the Tories failed to act upon.

 

 

Are you referring to the same inquiry that you deliberately lied about and posted false information about on this forum; claiming that it was “Tory run”, when it was in fact, a completely independent inquiry …. is that the one you are referring to ?

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What’s actually going on is the Tories trying to delay implementation of the recommendations of the actual inquiry, that they the Tories failed to act upon.

 

Fortunately, Labour have a big enough majority to proceed with the Children’s Bill and ignore the Tories creating a noise to cover their own failing:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgngd52z71o.amp

Please refer to quote in your link where it claims to stop carrying out the recommendations in the Jay inquiry, while your at it, why have they not started implementing them after 6 months in office?

[brewsterbudgen]

59 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

 

.. and I don’t mean white, because I did not say so.

 

 

 

I'm glad about that. 👏

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Are you referring to the same inquiry that you deliberately lied about and posted false information about on this forum; claiming that it was “Tory run”, when it was in fact, a completely independent inquiry …. is that the one you are referring to ?

 

 

 

 

There you go again with your accusation of lying.

 

Calm down, moderate your language and you might get a discussion.

[Bkk Brian]

On 1/7/2025 at 6:25 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

If you are going to accuse others of displaying ‘a breathtaking lack of knowledge’ on the matter of Inquiries I suggest you acquaint order with ‘The Inquiries Act 2005’.

 

Pay particular attention to who gets to establish inquiries and who gets to set, and at anytime amend’ the terms of reference of inquiries.

 

You might then understand that Independent Inquires are not as ‘independent’ as you clearly believe they are.

 

The actual inquiry is independent, no need to spread misinformation

 

The Report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse

https://www.iicsa.org.uk/reports-recommendations/publications/inquiry/final-report.html

[Eloquent pilgrim]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think you should stop calling people liars on the basis of a different opinion.

 

 

But it is not a difference of opinion, it was an independent inquiry, and that is factual; you deliberately lied about it saying it was “Tory run” which it most certainly was not.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

I think the Government are entirely right, get the Children’s Bill passed into law.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I think the Government are entirely right, get the Children’s Bill passed into law.

What you think has missed those who should be in prison or never again work in the same field, what you missed is justice for the thousands of children who suffered while those scum covered it up

[The Cyclist]

• 2020 – Labour calls for inquiry into purchase of 50m unusable face masks
• 2021 – Labour calls for inquiry into Tory peer Michelle Mone over PPE contract
• 2021– Labour calling for inquiry into David Cameron lobbying Rishi Sunak for Covid loans
• 2021– Labour calls for inquiry into ‘£200k revamp’ of flat at No 11 Downing Street
• 2021 – Labour calls for ‘transparent’ lobbying inquiry after Dyson texts revealed
• 2022 – Labour calls for inquiry into Liz Truss event
• 2023 – Labour calls for inquiry into steelworks regeneration after allegations of ‘cronyism and backroom deals’
• 2023 – Labour calls for inquiry into English schools £370m budget bungle
• 2024 – Labour government would hold Amritsar raid inquiry
• 2024 – Battle of Orgreave: Labour manifesto commits to inquiry

 

Yet amazingly, do not want to touch a with a bargepole, a National Inquiry that would identify from the bottom up to Political level, people that were involved in a cover up that should see people hanging.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

8 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

Yet amazingly, do not want to touch a with a bargepole, a National Inquiry that would identify from the bottom up to Political level, people that were involved in a cover up that should see people hanging.

 

And even more importantly, possibly lose them hundreds of thousands of Muslim votes; the votes that they have been nurturing for the last 30 years, while prostituting any values that they ever had in the process, in order to gain that demographic of the electorate.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What’s actually going on is the Tories trying to delay implementation of the recommendations of the actual inquiry, that they the Tories failed to act upon.

 

Fortunately, Labour have a big enough majority to proceed with the Children’s Bill and ignore the Tories creating a noise to cover their own failing:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgngd52z71o.amp

You are aware that this Jay report only investigated Rotherham over the Muslim gang rapes and abuse which came to around 1,400 children. 

 

The abuse was rampant all over England and Wales with thousands of victims

[James105]

9 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

• 2020 – Labour calls for inquiry into purchase of 50m unusable face masks
• 2021 – Labour calls for inquiry into Tory peer Michelle Mone over PPE contract
• 2021– Labour calling for inquiry into David Cameron lobbying Rishi Sunak for Covid loans
• 2021– Labour calls for inquiry into ‘£200k revamp’ of flat at No 11 Downing Street
• 2021 – Labour calls for ‘transparent’ lobbying inquiry after Dyson texts revealed
• 2022 – Labour calls for inquiry into Liz Truss event
• 2023 – Labour calls for inquiry into steelworks regeneration after allegations of ‘cronyism and backroom deals’
• 2023 – Labour calls for inquiry into English schools £370m budget bungle
• 2024 – Labour government would hold Amritsar raid inquiry
• 2024 – Battle of Orgreave: Labour manifesto commits to inquiry

 

Yet amazingly, do not want to touch a with a bargepole, a National Inquiry that would identify from the bottom up to Political level, people that were involved in a cover up that should see people hanging.

 

I'm convinced the Labour party MPs (and many of their supporters) are nonces.  Anyone who votes against an enquiry that intends to find out the who, what and why people in positions of authority covered up mass rape and torture of young white girls should have their hard drives thoroughly checked.   

[G_Money]

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I didn’t.

 

That’s on its way.

Fair enough.  I stand corrected 

 

Wasn’t sure if it was you or Danderman.  Two peas on the same pod.

[The Cyclist]

2 minutes ago, James105 said:

Anyone who votes against an enquiry that intends to find out the who, what and why people in positions of authority covered up mass rape and torture of young white girls should have their hard drives thoroughly checked.   

 

You bloody liberal you 😀😀

 

Anyone who votes against it should be taken straight outside and shot.