Scooter lock

[CallumWK]

As I purchased a Nmax scooter, I'm a bit worried about it getting stolen.

I have disc locks, but not really like them, because it may damage the bike if someone tries to move it, and bit of hassle to mount it as well.

Therefor I was looking at a lever lock, which seems effective and easy, on first sight.

So would you recommend it, or what lock do you use?

 

 

[farang51]

Looks solid; however, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, a small wire cutter can easily cut the brake cable if it is visible as on that photo.

[CallumWK]

2 minutes ago, farang51 said:

Looks solid; however, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, a small wire cutter can easily cut the brake cable if it is visible as on that photo.

 

Not sure what you mean, because bikes don't have brake cables anymore for the past few decades. They are hydraulic.

[mogandave]

7 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Not sure what you mean, because bikes don't have brake cables anymore for the past few decades. They are hydraulic.

Is the brake lever not easily removed? Or cut the hydraulic line. 

 

Or two guys throw itnin the back of a pickup.

 

Buy good insurance and forget about it. 

[CallumWK]

12 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Is the brake lever not easily removed? Or cut the hydraulic line. 

 

Or two guys throw itnin the back of a pickup.

 

Buy good insurance and forget about it. 

 

It is always possible to throw it in a truck, but they will usually go for the easiest target.

If you put one each brake lever, they will indeed have to cut the hydraulic lines to move it.

But that will make a mess, and the bike can not be started, because you have to pull the brake lever to activate the starting system.

 

I don't know if it is easily removed, hence this thread, as someone may actually use it already, and can provide some feedback

 

[richard_smith237]

50 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

53 minutes ago, farang51 said:

Looks solid; however, a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, a small wire cutter can easily cut the brake cable if it is visible as on that photo.

 

Not sure what you mean, because bikes don't have brake cables anymore for the past few decades. They are hydraulic.

 

The hydraulic line then - same thing basically... Cut it and the brake is ineffective. 

 

Best steps: 

1) theft insurance

2) Bike Chain and heavy duty padlock (which may also extend to something solid)

3) Visual deterrent (brake like as you have)

 

If thrives are 'opportunistic' they'll leave anything that looks like hassle and move onto the next one.

If a thief is intent on steeling your bike - you can only slow them down.

Ultimately, if thieves have time and are intent on taking your bike, they will - thats where insurance comes in.

 

 

 

[farang51]

4 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

Not sure what you mean, because bikes don't have brake cables anymore for the past few decades. They are hydraulic.

I didn't know that, I thought this was a wire:

 

[gargamon]

Much more effective. Get one if these and lock your wheels. I used to use 4 on my ninja 650r.

https://www.lazada.co.th/catalog/?spm=a2o4m.homepage.search.d_go&q=Solex disk lock

[scubascuba3]

5 hours ago, mogandave said:

Buy good insurance and forget about it. 

Only problem with insurance is the poor value especially with Roojai, last time i looked a new bike was MSIG -10%, Roojai -20%

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, farang51 said:

I didn't know that, I thought this was a wire:

 

 

Thats a poor example - possibly from a cheap Chinese bike.

 

Nearly all motorcycles now have hydraulic brakes and will not have any cable at all.

 

The hydraulic brake mechanism relies on a lever, a hinge and and plunger - the point you made remains valid, it doesn't make much to cut the hydraulic line and release the brake. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[CallumWK]

4 hours ago, gargamon said:

Much more effective. Get one if these and lock your wheels. I used to use 4 on my ninja 650r.

https://www.lazada.co.th/catalog/?spm=a2o4m.homepage.search.d_go&q=Solex disk lock

 

I have those solex disc locks, but I don't like them for several reasons.

Bit of a hassle to fit, especially when it's a bit dark. Easy to get dirty hands when fitting.

If the bike get moved, or you forgot you fitted them, brake caliper may get damaged.

 

[SAFETY FIRST]

9 hours ago, CallumWK said:

looking at a lever lock

This is what you want. 

Fitted to the right side, throttle and front brake restriction. 

 

Would be thieves look at the lock and move to the next bike to steal. 

 

 

[soi3eddie]

9 hours ago, mogandave said:

Or two guys throw itnin the back of a pickup.

 

Exactly! My first thought. I witnessed a crash the other night. An Aerox scooter ploughed into a u-turning TukTuk (rider went over handlebars but was not injured). The front forks were smashed into the body of the bike and it wouldn't wheel. After a while, a pick-up truck arrived and two guys were able to easily lift the bike onto the truck bed. Could have been gone in 60 seconds!

 

I would say that disc locks or chains are a useful, but small deterrent. A good option also would be to fit a tracker. 

 

[CallumWK]

2 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

This is what you want. 

Fitted to the right side, throttle and front brake restriction. 

 

Would be thieves look at the lock and move to the next bike to steal. 

 

 

 

I noticed those as well, and they are the same principle as the ones I posted in the OP, but they get poor reviews in the Shopee and Lazada listings.

[SAFETY FIRST]

2 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

I noticed those as well, and they are the same principle as the ones I posted in the OP, but they get poor reviews in the Shopee and Lazada listings.

Cheap enough, easy to fit, visible. 

 

Give it a go. 

 

[recom273]

Like many others, I have had bikes in the 500K+ region - I know that “proud new bike” feeling, it’s awesome, you want to take steps to protect your new possession. However, I never really had an issue - from what I see on Thai TV, most thieves just pick it up and throw it in a truck. No lock or alarm is going to help. Just get good insurance.
 

Ironically, we have an old kickstart dream, with a sidecar, the dream cost 10K. We went to big c and instead of checking into the parking lot, left it outside a next to a food stall. On return, a screwdriver was jammed in the key and the steering lock broken in a way that we couldn’t move it. The woman said some kids were sitting on the sidecar, while waiting for food, chatting away, she didn’t think anything was strange at all. Strange that something worth so little was worth stealing.

[UWEB]

2 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Cheap enough, easy to fit, visible. 

 

Give it a go. 

 

In my Eyes good for nothing, I just would cut the Break lever after the Lock what will take some seconds only as most Lever are Aluminum.

[SAFETY FIRST]

12 minutes ago, UWEB said:

In my Eyes good for nothing, I just would cut the Break lever after the Lock what will take some seconds only as most Lever are Aluminum.

Crikey, most thieves would go to the next scooter. 

 

He's not wanting to lock up his BMW or Ducati, just a cheap scooter. 

 

[scubascuba3]

99% of people don't bother with these PITA locks, scooters aren't expensive, pay the 5k for insurance

[richard_smith237]

3 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

3 hours ago, UWEB said:

In my Eyes good for nothing, I just would cut the Break lever after the Lock what will take some seconds only as most Lever are Aluminum.

Crikey, most thieves would go to the next scooter. 

 

He's not wanting to lock up his BMW or Ducati, just a cheap scooter. 

 

From the perspective of an 'opportunist thief' just nicking any bike - then that might work.

 

Otherwise, if your bike is 'better' than the surrounding bikes, being newer, a better model, upgraded trim etc etc...  then as already pointed out a few times, these 'brake locks' can be overcome in seconds with simple snip of the hydraulic line.

 

 

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

99% of people don't bother with these PITA locks, scooters aren't expensive, pay the 5k for insurance

 

If I'm not mistaken dedicated theft insurance is less than that - I recall it being around 1500 baht per year (for a new 150,000 baht scooter-motorcycle).

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, recom273 said:

Like many others, I have had bikes in the 500K+ region - I know that “proud new bike” feeling, it’s awesome, you want to take steps to protect your new possession. However, I never really had an issue - from what I see on Thai TV, most thieves just pick it up and throw it in a truck. No lock or alarm is going to help. Just get good insurance.

 

At home I have a large bolt driven into the concrete drive with a chain bike lock attached - I use this when we are away on trips etc - but inside a moobaan the likelihood of getting bike stolen is very slim. 

 

I think the greatest risk is when parked on the street for long durations etc.

 

I think in shopping malls etc its a lot safer - thus vigilance or at least common sense as to where the bike is parked is also a major factor. 

 

In reality - not since my first bike here have I ever given the risk of theft any real thought.

[CallumWK]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

If I'm not mistaken dedicated theft insurance is less than that - I recall it being around 1500 baht per year (for a new 150,000 baht scooter-motorcycle).

 

Any links to that, and what are the legal requirements ? I recall when still living in Europe, any theft insurance would require an expensive alarm system, and that was more than 30 years ago. So I bet it hasn't got better since.

If the bike is stolen, what excuses will the insurance company make to refuse the claim, because in my book insurance companies are worse thieves.

[richard_smith237]

3 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Any links to that, and what are the legal requirements ? I recall when still living in Europe, any theft insurance would require an expensive alarm system, and that was more than 30 years ago. So I bet it hasn't got better since.

If the bike is stolen, what excuses will the insurance company make to refuse the claim, because in my book insurance companies are worse thieves.

 

Sorry - I haven't... It was something I had with a Motorcycle about 10 years ago.

Since then, I've either had 1st Class insurance with better bikes, or now that I'm back on scooter-type machine I just have the Por-ror-bor.

[scubascuba3]

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

If I'm not mistaken dedicated theft insurance is less than that - I recall it being around 1500 baht per year (for a new 150,000 baht scooter-motorcycle).

Yes it's ball park 2k but the 6k 1st class is sensible for a new bike plus includes decent amount of personal accident medical cover

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

26 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If I'm not mistaken dedicated theft insurance is less than that - I recall it being around 1500 baht per year (for a new 150,000 baht scooter-motorcycle).

Yes it's ball park 2k but the 6k 1st class is sensible for a new bike plus includes decent amount of personal accident medical cover

 

Yep a decent option (1st Class) - the issue I have with the motorcycle is 'forgetting'...

 

As in, every year, the tax runs out and I don't notice...  so the insurance is also out... 

Its just something that seems never to register in my priorities. 

 

We get spoiled here - With the car we have an insurance broker who e-mails a month in advance with the renewal premium (so she deals with the 1st Class car insurance, Por-ror-bor every year). .... It allows us to become lazy and thats what happened with the bike, I never thought about the tax until I did... (often after expiry).

 

Thus -  it was only when I had a more expensive bike that I bothered with 'proper' insurance - since then, its just been the Por-Ror-Bor... (I think my latest bike came with 1 year free 1st Class insurance - then I switched to regular Por-ror-bor).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[scubascuba3]

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

As in, every year, the tax runs out and I don't notice...  so the insurance is also out... 

Its just something that seems never to register in my priorities. 

Strange usually they send out reminders in advance

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

22 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

As in, every year, the tax runs out and I don't notice...  so the insurance is also out... 

Its just something that seems never to register in my priorities. 

Strange usually they send out reminders in advance

 

Not if we only have the Por-ror-bor... 

 

But, if someone has a broker and buys 1st Class every year, then yep, a good broker will send out a reminder.

 

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Not if we only have the Por-ror-bor... 

 

Even with that i get an sms in advance from the transport office

[SAFETY FIRST]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

From the perspective of an 'opportunist thief' just nicking any bike - then that might work.

 

Otherwise, if your bike is 'better' than the surrounding bikes, being newer, a better model, upgraded trim etc etc...  then as already pointed out a few times, these 'brake locks' can be overcome in seconds with simple snip of the hydraulic line.

 

 

They also restrict throttle movement 

 

The throttle hand grip is enclosed 

Cutting hydraulic lines only releases brake