They love Trump, but many on the right loathe the Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal he demanded

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

No, I believe the term should not be used - way to extreme in a Western society.

 

   How would you describe people who take babies hostage ?

People who snatch babies from their Mother .

People who snatch babies from their Mother and wont even tell the Mother whether the babies' dead or alive .

   They will hand the baby back , which might be dead .

Handing the mother a dead baby back 

How would you describe those people ?

[simple1]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I have a link to that fact yes right here including a video of his saying it.

 

And another one here

 

The deadliest slaughter of Jews in a single day since the Holocaust was a “military accomplishment” and “a source of pride for our people… to be passed down from generation to generation,” al-Hayya said.

Hamas’s top negotiator in the ceasefire and hostage talks said despite suing for an end to the war, the group would continue to pursue Israel’s destruction, looking toward Jerusalem and the Al-Aqsa Mosque as a “compass.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-leader-touts-ceasefire-as-a-defeat-for-israel-while-hailing-oct-7-atrocities/

 

 

 

Thanks. Utter stupidity by al-Hayya - completely self defeating. It will be the general population of Gaza and West Bank who will suffer the most. To call out Oct 7 as a military accomplishment is moronic as it's led to severe injury to the Palestinian people and Hamas for no political gain except the release of some Palestinian criminals. Maybe the enrichment of the Hamas leadership during reconstruction. IMO PLA quickly need new leadership and international support to take out Hamas. 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Thanks. Utter stupidity by al-Hayya - completely self defeating. It will be the general population of Gaza and West Bank who will suffer the most. To call out Oct 7 as a military accomplishment is moronic as it's led to severe injury to the Palestinian people and Hamas for no political gain except the release of some Palestinian criminals. Maybe the enrichment of the Hamas leadership during reconstruction. IMO PLA quickly need new leadership and international support to take out Hamas. 

How will international support help "take out Hamas"? 

[Patong2021]

On 1/18/2025 at 1:59 AM, Yellowtail said:

Did Biden not take credit for the deal? 

 

Trump  insisted it was his achievement. 😃 He should have kept his. mouth shut.

 

Ok, in fairness to both Biden and Trump, they did what they had to do to bring this to an end. Criticizing the two of them for the agreement, is  foolish as the war was at an impasse.  Israel wasn't achieving anything now other than to give haters a reason to hate.

The  protests and in the western world were  causing problems and it is obvious that western governments were not going to  stop the protests.  It is unfair to blame either Biden or Trump for this.

[Patong2021]

26 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How would you describe people who take babies hostage ?

People who snatch babies from their Mother .

People who snatch babies from their Mother and wont even tell the Mother whether the babies' dead or alive .

   They will hand the baby back , which might be dead .

Handing the mother a dead baby back 

How would you describe those people ?

 

Some of the forum contributors describe them as freedom fighters, great leaders, oppressed, blah, blah, blah.

[scorecard]

On 1/18/2025 at 2:51 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

The deal involves giving a 2 year old baby back to its Parents 

Palestinians will be handing back a baby that they have been holding for 15 months .

   Palestinians will not even let the Parents know whether they baby is dead or alive .

   They don't know whether their baby will be dead or alive .

That is the people whom you are dealing with .

Inhumane .

A subspecies, IMO

 

Not OK, but two sides to that story.

[Hawaiian]

34 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How will international support help "take out Hamas"? 

Hamas is doomed and is in its death throes.  Why?  What happens when they run out of bullets.  Hezbollah cannot help.  Iran's weapons factory in Syria has been destroyed by Israeli commandos and the new leadership in Syria knows aiding Hamas is self destructive.  The Israeli Air Force will continue to pound the Houthis in Yemen.  The leader of the pack, Iran is facing serious challenges at home just trying to keep it economy going.  And now that its air defense system is barely functioning, if at all, Iran is going to be a sitting duck for the Israelis.  If Trump furnishes Israel with "bunker busting" bombs standby for the fireworks. 

When it is all over the Saudis and Israelis will most likely normalize relations.  A weakened Iran benefits both countries.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, scorecard said:

 

Not OK, but two sides to that story.

 

   What is that other side to that story ?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

quite sure you are correct, Israel does not a record of keeping/respecting agreements

 

   That is unbelievable .

Hamas are currently not keeping to an agreement .

As we speak, Hamas were required to hand over the names of the hostages to be released and they didn't do so  . 

   Hamas are currently not complying with the agreement (in real time) .

You still haven't stated what agreements Israel have broken 

[Bkk Brian]

49 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is unbelievable .

Hamas are currently not keeping to an agreement .

As we speak, Hamas were required to hand over the names of the hostages to be released and they didn't do so  . 

   Hamas are currently not complying with the agreement (in real time) .

You still haven't stated what agreements Israel have broken 

Hamas have just released the names more than 24 hours after the ceasefire agreement stipulated so its now back on. Never trust the terrorists to keep to agreements.

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How would you describe people who take babies hostage ?

People who snatch babies from their Mother .

People who snatch babies from their Mother and wont even tell the Mother whether the babies' dead or alive .

   They will hand the baby back , which might be dead .

Handing the mother a dead baby back 

How would you describe those people ?

how do you describe people who kill civilians, including children, bombed hospitals... always 2 versions to a story

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Who broke last ceasefire deal? Who has not come up with the names of the hostages as agreed on this deal? 

always 2 versions to a story

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Which agreements have Israel broken ?

if you really have to ask that means you haven't been following the reports, they were told by the international community to stop killing civilians, did they stop?

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

always 2 versions to a story

Yes the terrorist's side and Israel's side.

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

how do you describe people who kill civilians, including children, bombed hospitals... always 2 versions to a story

Try describing terrorists who use hospitals as their hideouts and where they keep hostages who they kidnapped from Israel. Then try to describe the same terrorists when they use their own civilians as human shields with their leaders happy to state they are sacrifices.

 

You say there is two versions. Yes there is.

 

https://x.com/Ostrov_A/status/1880931686264832057

[Nick Carter icp]

21 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

if you really have to ask that means you haven't been following the reports, they were told by the international community to stop killing civilians, did they stop?

 

   We are talking about Israel breaking agreements .

Your example doesn't show Israel breaking any agreements .

So, do you have any examples of Israel breaking any agreements ?

An agreement , as in something that Israel  agreed with and to do 

[Nick Carter icp]

28 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

how do you describe people who kill civilians, including children, bombed hospitals... always 2 versions to a story

  

   That action was taken to fight back against the Child kidnappers/terrorists .

The Child kidnappings came first , you seem to be suggesting that the Child kidnappers were don't because of the retaliatory strikes .

   You are equating Child kidnapping with  trying to free the kidnapped children 

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

How will international support help "take out Hamas"? 

 

Just my thoughts...Some local organisation will be needed to replace Hamas, I have read PLA is most likely route. PLA will need support, as last time round they were defeated by Hamas. I can't see Hamas moving out voluntarily, nor the Israelis being suitable -

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

Just my thoughts...Some local organisation will be needed to replace Hamas, I have read PLA is most likely route. PLA will need support, as last time round they were defeated by Hamas. I can't see Hamas moving out voluntarily, nor the Israelis being suitable -

How will international support help "take out Hamas"? 

 

What can they do differently? 

[simple1]

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How will international support help "take out Hamas"? 

 

What can they do differently? 

 

Reorganise, train and equip PLA

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

Reorganise, train and equip PLA

How will that take out Hamas? 

 

That seems like something for after Hamas is taken out. 

[simple1]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You would have thought that one of the group would have said "Its a baby, leave the baby alone" or "Lets give the baby back"

   But, no 

Hamas is a dictatorship and rule at the point of a gun

[simple1]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

How will that take out Hamas? 

 

That seems like something for after Hamas is taken out. 

 

As I said just my thoughts. I do not know what's happening in secret between various parties. However, I understand PLA has been discussed as a potential mechanism to replace Hamas.. Who knows maybe the US or KSR will give each of the Hamas leaders a billion dollars to retire - cheaper than another war.

[Yellowtail]

11 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

As I said just my thoughts. I do not know what's happening in secret between various parties. However, I understand PLA has been discussed as a potential mechanism to replace Hamas.. Who knows maybe the US or KSR will give each of the Hamas leaders a billion dollars to retire - cheaper than another war.

How long has the PLA been working with Hamas? 

 

What will be different this time? 

 

Do you really think the PLA will eradicate Hamas? 

[Social Media]

A Jew baiting post removed @Hummin followed by a number of replies that it created.

[theblether]

Almost 4pm and the hostages haven't been released yet. 

 

The Times of Israel is running a live blog - apparently Red Cross are on their way to pick up hostages. Link to blog here: 

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-january-19-2025/

[proton]

Even Hitler hated Biden 😅

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Hamas is a dictatorship and rule at the point of a gun

 

    And seem to have mass support of the Population .

Gazians could easily over throw  Hamas if they wanted to  

[Hummin]

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    And seem to have mass support of the Population .

Gazians could easily over throw  Hamas if they wanted to  

What you seem to not understand, most people are not warriors, they are normal people with fear for their life and their family, so they trying to stay out of trouble, same as the arabs inside Israel, they do not want any trouble that can harm them or their families. 

 

Thats why when first a tyrant or dictatorship have power, they face very few consequenses until enough is enough, and terrorism is the solution or gerilja war. 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What you seem to not understand, most people are not warriors, they are normal people with fear for their life and their family, so they trying to stay out of trouble, same as the arabs inside Israel, they do not want any trouble that can harm them or their families. 

 

Thats why when first a tyrant or dictatorship have power, they face very few consequenses until enough is enough, and terrorism is the solution or gerilja war. 

Really? Same as the arabs in Israel? Nonsense equivalence. There are many 9f them that are in the IDF because they want to be.