Afghan man stabs and kills two in Germany, including a toddler others injured

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, proton said:

4 hours ago, Neeranam said:

What chance?

Remember why many of these Muslim people are asylum seekers in the first place. Especially what the UK did by carving up their countries into artificial borders with little regard for ethnic, tribal, or religious divisions.  

 

My friend used to process asylum claims she said 95% were fake. Those claiming to be afghans today are mostly Pakistani or Bangladeshi with no grounds for an asylum claim, it's become a scam. Muslim terrorism has nothing to do with colonial history, and everything to do with thier religion.

 

Given my working environment and nationals I am exposed to I have been on friendly terms with many nationals from various countries famed for their 'immigration and seeking of asylum to the UK.... 

 

... The patterns are nearly always the same...

 

... Many educated asylum seekers are able to secure decent work and actually seem to contribute well to society. 

... others have secured business which may or may not fly close to the law, however, they provide jobs and pay taxes.

... then theres a strong majority who do very little and are able to secure funds and healthcare, they overstay visas, they lie about their true nationality, they smuggle, they are involved in smuggling others...  the stories are wide spread amongst the people I've associated with (and yes, had beers with too - as many are not as strict about that as we may be believe).

 

.... The one very firm constant... none of these colleagues or acquaintances mentioned anything at all of female asylum seekers...   They are ALL males, working or obtaining money where they can and sending it back. 

 

They are NOT in the UK due to persecution in their home countries....  they are in the UK purely for financial reasons - the friends of the folk I'd call passing acquaintances and a few I'd call friends are in the UK simply because they can be.....

 

The 'only group' who do seem to be genuine are those who have established themselves professionally and integrated into society, they don't live in Bayswater or other decrepit armpits of the UK etc they live in areas such as Leeds, Coventry, Cambridge etc... 

 

 

 

[proton]

Just now, Neeranam said:

US, Occupation, Pipeline, Al Queda formation reason, Middle East. Come on man, it's not a hard puzzle to fit together. I never said it was colonized although some say it was. Al Queda was not formed in a vaccuum. 

 Off topic again this is about an Afghan going on another murder attack, not your excuses for Islamic terrorism

[Purdey]

I thought the story was clear. He is a nutter.

[Neeranam]

3 hours ago, proton said:

 

For telling the truth?

Surah 47.4

47:4 So when you meet those who disbelieve strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them,

 

 

Shame on you for posting such off topic quotes in an attempt to insult all Muslims.  I would have thought it is against forum rules

[Neeranam]

46 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Given my working environment and nationals I am exposed to I have been on friendly terms with many nationals from various countries famed for their 'immigration and seeking of asylum to the UK.... 

 

... The patterns are nearly always the same...

 

... Many educated asylum seekers are able to secure decent work and actually seem to contribute well to society. 

... others have secured business which may or may not fly close to the law, however, they provide jobs and pay taxes.

... then theres a strong majority who do very little and are able to secure funds and healthcare, they overstay visas, they lie about their true nationality, they smuggle, they are involved in smuggling others...  the stories are wide spread amongst the people I've associated with (and yes, had beers with too - as many are not as strict about that as we may be believe).

 

.... The one very firm constant... none of these colleagues or acquaintances mentioned anything at all of female asylum seekers...   They are ALL males, working or obtaining money where they can and sending it back. 

 

They are NOT in the UK due to persecution in their home countries....  they are in the UK purely for financial reasons - the friends of the folk I'd call passing acquaintances and a few I'd call friends are in the UK simply because they can be.....

 

The 'only group' who do seem to be genuine are those who have established themselves professionally and integrated into society, they don't live in Bayswater or other decrepit armpits of the UK etc they live in areas such as Leeds, Coventry, Cambridge etc... 

 

 

 

Nothing wrong with that, you and I have emigrated for a better life.

[Will B Good]

3 hours ago, proton said:

 

For telling the truth?

Surah 47.4

47:4 So when you meet those who disbelieve strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them,

 

 

 

 

This verse was revealed in the context of warfare, specifically referring to conduct during battles between early Muslims and their opponents in the 7th century. It outlines rules for warfare at that time, including how prisoners of war should be treated.

 

It is not a blanket command for violence against all disbelievers but pertains to specific wartime situations.

[Tiger1980]

Why or why when many of these atrocities are committed by Muslims do the authorities immediately state that the perpetrators are mentally ill, example the murder of guardsman Lee Rigby?

Yet when the truth comes to light they are shown to be not mentally ill but followers of a certain religion.

[Will B Good]

5 minutes ago, Tiger1980 said:

Why or why when many of these atrocities are committed by Muslims do the authorities immediately state that the perpetrators are mentally ill, example the murder of guardsman Lee Rigby?

Yet when the truth comes to light they are shown to be not mentally ill but followers of a certain religion.

 

To try and prevent people rioting?

[richard_smith237]

22 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Nothing wrong with that, you and I have emigrated for a better life.

And thats what I pointed out to the other guys while sat surrounding a sumptuous Makloubeh... (and yes, surprisingly enough, drinking beer and Whisky !!)....    

... But, most of their friends are not in the UK for a better life, they are there to make money through whatever means possible and send it back to their home countries...    to which I pointed out, thats exactly what I was doing !!!

 

The UK and many area's of Europe are not homes for many of these folk - they are not area's to 'flee too as refugees'... they are area where they get free food, free healthcare, free money.... and if they are lucky, tax free work... 

They smuggled whatever than can into the countries... they are involved in smuggling each other !!... 

They smuggle out cars, phones, tech, equipment and other stolen items they can get hold of...    anything, absolutely anything where money can be made they are involved with...  Its highly enterprising...  but make no mistake, its (nearly) all illegal.....   and they're amused that our governments are so soft... 

 

The exception of course are those who have moved there with solid employable skills who do move and have made a better life. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

but make no mistake, its (nearly) all illegal.....  with the exception of those who have moved there with solid employable skills who do move and have made a better life. 

Same as us lot here, many are using agents to bribe immigration officers to bypass immigration requirements. 

[proton]

28 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Shame on you for posting such off topic quotes in an attempt to insult all Muslims.  I would have thought it is against forum rules

 

Quotes from the Quran are not insulting, this is what is preached and what they follow, or do you think they get their inspiration from the Readers Digest?

[Neeranam]

10 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Quotes from the Quran are not insulting, this is what is preached and what they follow, or dod you think they get their inspiration from the Readers Digest?

I could quote similar things from your lot! 

 

Like the Word of God given to Moses?

 

Deuteronomy 20:16-18: "However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them.

 

Numbers 31:17-18:

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."

 

 

[Neeranam]

3 hours ago, proton said:

 

For telling the truth?

Surah 47.4

47:4 So when you meet those who disbelieve strike [their] necks until, when you have inflicted slaughter upon them,

 

 

That's as ridiculous as saying all Christians take these words to heart about infidels.

 

Deuteronomy 13:6-10  

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and worship other gods' ... do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God."

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Same as us lot here, many are using agents to bribe immigration officers to bypass immigration requirements. 

 

How many of us here hold national protests and demand 'Jesus law' here ?

 

 

I get your point, and you want to avoid hypocrisy and unbalance - but I also believe there is an exceptional difference between illegal immigration in the UK and much of the Europe and some folk circumnavigating visa regulations in Thailand.... 

 

Its a convenient argument on a binary playing field, but the waters of logic seep through the massive fractures of sense when reasonable balance is applied. 

 

When Westerners are demanding Canon Law in Thailand, when we are holding mass protests, when we are taking social security payments, using the free healthcare systems and making whole areas of towns and cities unsafe then I think there is a fair comparison.....   

 

... until then... the similarities are too far removed and the behavior of a handful of idiot tourist and criminals is not the same as any comparison to the immigration issues the UK and Europe are facing.

 

 

[sungod]

3 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Interesting. Just highlights the Islamophobia around here. 

Nothing to do with Islamophobia, that's just an excuse you use as you got nothing else. People just dont like terrorism which is predominantly committed by Muslims.

[sungod]

38 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Same as us lot here, many are using agents to bribe immigration officers to bypass immigration requirements. 

 

But we didn't turn up in boats, bypassing the first safe country we came across, we are not here with our hands held out expecting the Thai government to provide.

 

Oh I nearly forgot, we dont go round driving cars into crowds of people, stabbing people, blowing ourselves up all in the name of Jesus!!!

 

What a ridiculous argument you have.

[Will B Good]

6 minutes ago, sungod said:

Nothing to do with Islamophobia, that's just an excuse you use as you got nothing else. People just dont like terrorism which is predominantly committed by Muslims.

According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), between 1994 and 2020, religious extremists were responsible for 15% of terrorist attacks and plots in the United States. 

 

In 2020, CSIS reported that right-wing extremists were responsible for 57% of terrorist attacks and plots in the U.S.

[sungod]

35 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), between 1994 and 2020, religious extremists were responsible for 15% of terrorist attacks and plots in the United States. 

 

In 2020, CSIS reported that right-wing extremists were responsible for 57% of terrorist attacks and plots in the U.S.

 

Thats just the US, what about the rest of the world?

 

Out of date data too, try harder please.

[sungod]

39 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), between 1994 and 2020, religious extremists were responsible for 15% of terrorist attacks and plots in the United States. 

 

In 2020, CSIS reported that right-wing extremists were responsible for 57% of terrorist attacks and plots in the U.S.

 

Something little more recent for you, and global.They are all Muslim.

 

I'll forgive you if you delete your post as it looks rather foolish.

 

https://www.visionofhumanity.org/deadliest-terror-groups-in-2024/

[Peterphuket]

No evidence of radical Islamic views found.
Oh, just a moderate Muslim, thank goodness.
Then the dead and injured are not so bad.

 

(X) Sarcasm off.

[James105]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

That's as ridiculous as saying all Christians take these words to heart about infidels.

 

Deuteronomy 13:6-10  

"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and worship other gods' ... do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God."

 

You realize that is the old testament stuff and christianity was reformed over 500 years ago?  Islam is 500 years behind which is why it is so incompatible with the west.  If christianity was in the same barbaric place as Islam then perhaps you would have a point.  But it isn't.  So you don't.  

 

Islam is barbaric.  There are death penalties for apostasy.  Women in every single muslim country are at best second class citizens.  Gay people are still getting thrown off buildings for being gay.  Women are being stoned to death for being raped.  Why do you appease and revere this backwards ideology?  Try and imagine it was the "far right" that were doing these things and how you would feel about it.  

[Neeranam]

11 minutes ago, sungod said:

 

Something little more recent for you, and global.They are all Muslim.

 

I'll forgive you if you delete your post as it looks rather foolish.

 

https://www.visionofhumanity.org/deadliest-terror-groups-in-2024/

Hmm, that site is owned by Steve Killelea, who says.

Fewer terrorism deaths in the West

In 2023, the US accounted for 76% of terrorism-related deaths in Western democracies, amid a 15-year low in incidents.

Terrorism incidents in Western democracies recorded a drop of 55% compared to the previous year. There were 23 attacks that resulted in 21 fatalities, marking a 15-year low. However, the US recorded 76% of these fatalities from seven attacks. Five of these attacks were linked to individuals with far-right beliefs yet none had an affiliation with a far-right group.

Ten countries account for most deaths

Terrorist activity remains highly concentrated in a small number of countries, with just ten countries accounting for 87% of all terrorism deaths in 2023. These include Burkina Faso, Israel, Mali, Pakistan, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Nigeria, Myanmar, and Niger.

 

 

 

 

https://defsec.net.nz/2024/05/31/global-terrorism-index-2024/

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, James105 said:

 

You realize that is the old testament stuff and christianity was reformed over 500 years ago?  Islam is 500 years behind which is why it is so incompatible with the west.  If christianity was in the same barbaric place as Islam then perhaps you would have a point.  But it isn't.  So you don't.  

 

Islam is barbaric.  There are death penalties for apostasy.  Women in every single muslim country are at best second class citizens.  Gay people are still getting thrown off buildings for being gay.  Women are being stoned to death for being raped.  Why do you appease and revere this backwards ideology?  Try and imagine it was the "far right" that were doing these things and how you would feel about it.  

I do not appease and revere this ideology!

 

I agree with you Islam is behind Christianity by a few hundred years. 

 

Mind you, homosexuality was still considered a mental illness by the American Psychiatric society in the 1970s! 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/hide-and-seek/201509/when-homosexuality-stopped-being-a-mental-disorder#:~:text=Key points,fall out of the DSM.

 

Cultures change. 

 

I was making a point by someone quoting the Quran. 

[Neeranam]

59 minutes ago, sungod said:

Nothing to do with Islamophobia, that's just an excuse you use as you got nothing else. People just dont like terrorism which is predominantly committed by Muslims.

Excuse for what?

 

[James105]

27 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I do not appease and revere this ideology!

 

I agree with you Islam is behind Christianity by a few hundred years. 

 

Mind you, homosexuality was still considered a mental illness by the American Psychiatric society in the 1970s! 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/hide-and-seek/201509/when-homosexuality-stopped-being-a-mental-disorder#:~:text=Key points,fall out of the DSM.

 

Cultures change. 

 

I was making a point by someone quoting the Quran. 

 

You are doing it again though and trying to make it seem like christianity is in some way equivalent to islam.  In 1970s America gay people were not being thrown off of buildings.   You need to go back 500 years or so to when witches were being burned at stakes to find a comparable level of barbarism.   That is how far behind they are.   

 

Once again.  Imagine it was the "far right" doing these things.   Would you be trying to come up with equivalences from other groups to make it seem like they are not uniquely barbaric in this world?  Of course you wouldn't.  

[Neeranam]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

You are doing it again though and trying to make it seem like christianity is in some way equivalent to islam.  In 1970s America gay people were not being thrown off of buildings.   You need to go back 500 years or so to when witches were being burned at stakes to find a comparable level of barbarism.   That is how far behind they are.   

 

Once again.  Imagine it was the "far right" doing these things.   Would you be trying to come up with equivalences from other groups to make it seem like they are not uniquely barbaric in this world?  Of course you wouldn't.  

You miss my original point. 

I was trying to emphasize that barbarism, intolerance/extremism are not unique to one religion, ideology, or culture. They are human things that can appear in various forms across different times/places. It's important to  address these issues  rather than framing them as exclusive to a single group.

 

If the far right were doing what?