Windows 11, End of service

[thaibeachlovers]

I bet there millions of people around the world that hate MS as much as I do. I will not be buying a computer with W11, nor will I be migrating my existing computer to 11. If my W10 stops working, it'll be time to get off computers altogether. I'm still using a W7 without problems as well.

10 was worse than 7, so I can't imagine how much worse 11 will be.

[Mutt Daeng]

5 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

Why do you need to call other people names and throw UNDOUNDED ACCUSATIONS when you don't know anything about Windows?
You (and many others) state yourself that you got the same message, but used a WORKAROUND to fool Microsoft on installing the upgrade on an unsupported system by disabling the compatibilty check on Upgrading to the new 23H2/24H2 versions.
I still get the Windows 11 Security upgrades and Windows 11 other ugrades.
Simply because Windows 11 has not reached yet the EOL (End Of Life) state yet.
But I will not get the Windows 11 Version upgrade anymore because Windows 11 has reached the EOS (End Of Service) state.

The WAAS (Windows As A Service) has decided to end the service but that is not the EOL of my operating system.

I know very well that there are tons of workarounds on the Internet which are meanly disabling the compability check on Upgrade (appraiserres.dl).
But that is only fooling yourself and risk loss of data as Windows is warning for this.
If it would be so easy, why is Microsoft dumping their Surface Laptops which reached the EOS state at dumping prices?

Microsoft requires a processor of the 8th generation for the 23H2/24H2 version of Windows 11 and trying to run Windows on an older processor will run you into troubles.
As you can see in the screenshot of Mutt Daeng, he uses a processor of the 6th generation.
Just like trying to mount a V8 engine in an old Trabby.

I am tired to get the FALSE ACCUSATIONS of members in here who display only their IGNORANCE on this subject and resort to throw unfounded tantrums.

 

My bad. I thought you were asking for assistance to get past your issue.

I'll take no further part in this thread. 

[PomPolo]

Posters are correct 21H2 will be end of service but I have managed to install 23H2 this time last year on Windows Home, might try an upgrade myself to the latest.  I don't think you will need to worry about Windows 11 being end of service for a while!

[impulse]

20 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

Why do you need to call other people names and throw UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS when you don't know anything about Windows?

 

What name did I call you?  I asked for some information that would help people steer you in the right direction.

 

And where did I say I used any of the workarounds?  I said they exist.  I also said my old laptop (this one) is still running Win10.  That's because I didn't risk trying to fool Microsoft.  I know just enough about Windows to stay out of trouble.  Most of the time.

 

When you post up questions, you're not the only one that's benefitting from the answers.  The more information you provide, the more value the responses are to the community.

 

Along those lines, thanks to Mutt Daeng for some really useful info!

 

[Confuscious]

20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I bet there millions of people around the world that hate MS as much as I do. I will not be buying a computer with W11, nor will I be migrating my existing computer to 11. If my W10 stops working, it'll be time to get off computers altogether. I'm still using a W7 without problems as well.

10 was worse than 7, so I can't imagine how much worse 11 will be.

That's the MAIN reason I decided to switch to LINUX or maybe Chromebook OS.
Tired of that Windows <deleted>.
Windows offered me to upgrade from Windows 7 to a FREE legal Windows 11 version a few years ago.
Simply because my Notebook did meet the requirements for Windows 11.
Worst decision ever.

[riclag]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

Seems to me that the OP's problem is that he's not even on Win11 yet.  He's getting the same message I got when I tried to update from Win10 to Win11.

 

There's a ton of workarounds all over YouTube and other places on the interwebs to install Win11 on a system for which Microsoft hasn't bestowed its blessings.  My old laptop (that I'm typing this on) is one of those and I'm still using Win10.  My new laptop came with an already aged version of Win11 and it's been automatically updated to 24H2.  Eezy peezy.  And when they release the next update, I expect I'll get updated to that one.  Until they release Win12.

 

 

Thanks

I bought a new Hp laptop win 10 at Walmart back in 2019  , before I moved to temporarily live here.It was a backup for my existing hp win 10 incase it sh$$ the bed.

I started using it in 2023 ! I’d like to keep using it .

[Centigrade32]

On 1/26/2025 at 3:52 AM, Confuscious said:

Yesterday, my notebook warned me about some importabt updates on Windows 11.
But on the update screen, an exclamation sign appeared and warned me to buy a new version of Windows 11 as my version reached the "end of updates.".
I went to the Microsoft site, and the end of updates was after 2 years of installation.

So, I would need to reinstall Windows 11 and all the software again OR wipe Windows completely from ho hard disk and install Linux (which was already my plan long ago).
I can keep Windows on an USB drive with the programs I might occasionaly and are not available on Linux.
What would your option be?

 

46 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

Why do you need to call other people names and throw UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS when you don't know anything about Windows?
You (and many others) state yourself that you got the same message, but used a WORKAROUND to fool Microsoft on installing the upgrade on an unsupported system by disabling the compatibilty check on Upgrading to the new 23H2/24H2 versions.
I still get the Windows 11 Security upgrades and Windows 11 other ugrades.
Simply because Windows 11 has not reached yet the EOL (End Of Life) state yet.
But I will not get the Windows 11 Version upgrade anymore because Windows 11 has reached the EOS (End Of Service) state.

 

 

It's pretty obvious that you went away to do some research after your embarrassing display earlier and have now come back here pretending that you knew it all beforehand.

Seriously ironic that you accuse other posters of not knowing anything about Windows, when it's clear that you didn't and don't know that much yourself.

But the worst is your playing the victim and attacking everyone who was trying to help you. To the point where probably no one wants to get involved anymore. That's sad. Why are you behaving like that?

 

I am going to explain for the benefit of anyone else who needs help, as it's quite clear that you will act ungrateful and pretend that you knew it all before anyway.

 

Microsoft set an arbitrary bar, as they don't wants to have to guarantee compatibility with millions of old devices. That doesn't mean that they won't work perfectly. It just means if something doesn't, you cannot call them up to complain about it. THAT is what is meant by 'not being supported.' It has nothing to do with receiving updates etc. You'll get those as normal throughout the two year life cycle of the feature update. But they won't GUARANTEE it, as they don't want to be responsible....

 

Next, to address your bluffer's guide synopsis of FOOLING Microsoft. WRONG. Microsoft provided the workaround in the first place. But they are shutting down some workarounds in FUTURE feature updates. So 25H2 will make it more difficult to install for some devices. TPM2.0 was introduced between 2014 and 2016. So your device definitely has it. Similarly for Secure Boot. So there is nothing stopping your CPU from qualifying other than an age restriction.

There is nothing about your CPU that inhibits it from running Windows 11, other than an arbitrary bar, to save them having responsibility of having to support older devices and also to ensure that new security features can be implemented in future feature updates. An Intel device from 2009 or earlier may not have the capability. Intel pre 2009 is what Microsoft has blocked with 24H2. 25H2 will probably have new restrictions. 

 

Your comment

 

  

1 hour ago, Confuscious said:

Microsoft requires a processor of the 8th generation for the 23H2/24H2 version of Windows 11 and trying to run Windows on an older processor will run you into troubles.
As you can see in the screenshot of Mutt Daeng, he uses a processor of the 6th generation.
Just like trying to mount a V8 engine in an old Trabby.

 

is just artistic licence. Nonsense really. 

Microsoft know that and provided a workaround for their angry consumers. But gradually, with each new feature update they block old installation methods. Because they don't want to be supporting older and older devices. Your CPU is from 2017. 8th Gen is also from 2017. What's the difference? Just an arbitrary cut-off.

But that doesn't mean that they won't work perfectly. It's just a disclaimer in so that both sides understand that you cannot hold them responsible for any issues. When was the last time that you called Microsoft for anything anyway? 

 

See here: https://web.archive.org/web/20231228002014/https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e

 

You can see that it was Microsoft who provided the registry bypass method.

 

Another reference here: 

 

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Designed for Windows 10: 2016-2019

It seems unfair to call these PCs old. They're middle-aged at best and capable of performing just about any modern task.

Also: The ultimate Windows 11 upgrade guide: Everything you need to know

Any system designed to meet the Windows Hardware Compatibility Program specifications during this period includes a TPM 2.0, although the CPU is almost certainly not on the list of Windows 11 supported parts. If you own one of these PCs, you can use Microsoft's documented procedure to upgrade to Windows 11 by making a simple registry edit. (You'll find the details under the "Option1" heading in this article: "How to upgrade an 'incompatible' Windows 10 PC to Windows 11")

 

These PCs are likely to run Windows 11 well, and even the oldest of the bunch should be useful for at least five more years.

 

 

 

So stop over dramatising everything. It's not an issue. Install 24H2 and you are okay until mid October 2026.... or just install a version of Linux if it makes you feel better.

But don't come on here asking for advice and then act like you know it better.

 

 

 

 

[Centigrade32]

24 minutes ago, riclag said:

Thanks

I bought a new Hp laptop win 10 at Walmart back in 2019  , before I moved to temporarily live here.It was a backup for my existing hp win 10 incase it sh$$ the bed.

I started using it in 2023 ! I’d like to keep using it .

 

2019 should be covered anyway. What CPU is inside?

[Centigrade32]

1 hour ago, Confuscious said:

That's the MAIN reason I decided to switch to LINUX or maybe Chromebook OS.
Tired of that Windows <deleted>.
Windows offered me to upgrade from Windows 7 to a FREE legal Windows 11 version a few years ago.
Simply because my Notebook did meet the requirements for Windows 11.
Worst decision ever.

 

What makes it 'the worst decision'? Reinstall Windows 7 if you like it so much. 

You are making a huge drama over nothing. You are covered until October 2026. Just use RUFUS to bypass the CPU check etc

 

Further to that:

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In a separate discussion, Batard emphasizes that "Rufus only goes with the official bypasses that Microsoft themselves included, and not with an overreaching approach of disabling all hardware checks."

"Rufus is working within Microsoft's framework, with bypasses that Microsoft included for the installer, and, therefore, as has been the case ever since the release of Windows 11, I expect that the bypasses that Microsoft allows [will] not render a machine inoperative..."

 

So they are Microsoft workarounds and they will work for the lifecycle of the feature update.

[Centigrade32]

5 hours ago, Confuscious said:

I know very well that there are tons of workarounds on the Internet which are meanly disabling the compability check on Upgrade (appraiserres.dl).

 

Nice try, but appraiserres.dll doesn't work for in-place upgrades for when it comes to 24H2. Your info is outdated.

Now you can manually run the necessary Registry fixes one by one or put them together in a batch script or let Rufus do it for you.

[thaibeachlovers]

I spoke to my very clever tech guy friend and he said the reason that W11 is going out of service is that it's a POS.

Of course 12 won't work on many computers so people will have to buy new ones.

11 has apparently only been used for 3 years- is that a record for MS?

 

Is MS the most vile corporation to ever have existed on the planet?

[Confuscious]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I spoke to my very clever tech guy friend and he said the reason that W11 is going out of service is that it's a POS.

Of course 12 won't work on many computers so people will have to buy new ones.

11 has apparently only been used for 3 years- is that a record for MS?

 

Is MS the most vile corporation to ever have existed on the planet?

There will always be "smart" asses (Centigrade32) who will publish a "cheat" to let windows 12 run on an old XT computer.

The point is that when Microsoft warns you not to do it and they start dumping their own old "Surface" tablets below the market price you know that something fishy is going on.

I followed the advice of Microsoft and installed Linux Mint and I am very pleased with that decision.

I made my notebook Dual-Boot so I can still run windows 10 22H2 when needed.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

There will always be "smart" asses (Centigrade32) who will publish a "cheat" to let windows 12 run on an old XT computer.

The point is that when Microsoft warns you not to do it and they start dumping their own old "Surface" tablets below the market price you know that something fishy is going on.

I followed the advice of Microsoft and installed Linux Mint and I am very pleased with that decision.

I made my notebook Dual-Boot so I can still run windows 10 22H2 when needed.

Sorry but my computing experience is restricted to pushing the on button, using a keyboard  and turning it off. You lost me by the "surface" tablets comment.

That's why I need a smart computer guy.

 

However, I bet I can use an arc welder better than he can though.

 

I just hate MS with their constant updates that make my computer run worse than before it was updated. I can't even shut updates off, and if I ignore them they always happen at the worst possible time, and go on for ages. I think one took an hour. It was never as bad with 7.

[Confuscious]

41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I spoke to my very clever tech guy friend and he said the reason that W11 is going out of service is that it's a POS.

Of course 12 won't work on many computers so people will have to buy new ones.

11 has apparently only been used for 3 years- is that a record for MS?

 

Is MS the most vile corporation to ever have existed on the planet?

By the way, Windows 12 will most likely will be running from the Microsoft servers, not from your system.

Just like the big companies where you have one mainframe with the OS and the hardware and a lot of basic computers with a minimal hardware connected to the mainframe by LAN.

Microsoft will charge users to keep running Windows 12 on a monthly fee.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Confuscious said:

By the way, Windows 12 will most likely will be running from the Microsoft servers, not from your system.

Just like the big companies where you have one mainframe with the OS and the hardware and a lot of basic computers with a minimal hardware connected to the mainframe by LAN.

Microsoft will charge users to keep running Windows 12 on a monthly fee.

I guess I won't be using 12 then. My wi fi is so bad that i'm lucky to be able to use it at all- too many people trying to use an inadequate system. Unfortunately they charge far too much for my own internet connection as I only use it for e mail and this forum. I can do e mail at the library.

 

If they do that even more people will hate MS.

[Centigrade32]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I spoke to my very clever tech guy friend and he said the reason that W11 is going out of service is that it's a POS.

Of course 12 won't work on many computers so people will have to buy new ones.

11 has apparently only been used for 3 years- is that a record for MS?

 

Is MS the most vile corporation to ever have existed on the planet?

 

Your post is absolute crud! Windows 11 isn't going out of service. You obviously don't really have a "really clever tech guy friend". 

[Centigrade32]

50 minutes ago, Confuscious said:

There will always be "smart" asses (Centigrade32) who will publish a "cheat" to let windows 12 run on an old XT computer.

The point is that when Microsoft warns you not to do it and they start dumping their own old "Surface" tablets below the market price you know that something fishy is going on.

I followed the advice of Microsoft and installed Linux Mint and I am very pleased with that decision.

I made my notebook Dual-Boot so I can still run windows 10 22H2 when needed.

 

The paranoia is strong in this one. Brainwashed he is.

[Centigrade32]

47 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sorry but my computing experience is restricted to pushing the on button, using a keyboard  and turning it off. You lost me by the "surface" tablets comment.

That's why I need a smart computer guy.

 

However, I bet I can use an arc welder better than he can though.

 

I just hate MS with their constant updates that make my computer run worse than before it was updated. I can't even shut updates off, and if I ignore them they always happen at the worst possible time, and go on for ages. I think one took an hour. It was never as bad with 7.

 

Ignorance obviously isn't bliss for you. If you actually had a smart computer guy friend, he would show you how to defer updates and for them to install at a time convenient to you. Are you even running on an SSD? I have an old laptop running an SSD and don't notice any adverse effect from updates.  Which leads me to believe that you are still running an HDD.

He 'lost' you because he's babbling.

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

On 1/27/2025 at 12:29 PM, Confuscious said:

Read the Original Post again.

Windows stops with updates 2 years after the installation.

You read it better, it stops updates on a particular version after 2 years BUT you get a new version (for free) with additional 2 years of updates.

[FritsSikkink]

On 1/27/2025 at 12:53 PM, Confuscious said:

Buy a new notebook or forget the upgrades.

Nonsense.

[scottiejohn]

41 minutes ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

The paranoia is strong in this one. Brainwashed he is.

Don't you need to have a working brain before it can be "Brainwashed"?

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sorry but my computing experience is restricted to pushing the on button, using a keyboard  and turning it off

If so why are you posting comments here?

[Centigrade32]

42 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I guess I won't be using 12 then. My wi fi is so bad that i'm lucky to be able to use it at all- too many people trying to use an inadequate system. Unfortunately they charge far too much for my own internet connection as I only use it for e mail and this forum. I can do e mail at the library.

 

If they do that even more people will hate MS.

 

The blind leading the blind....

Please do not hold discussions with @Confuscious about Microsoft. He's just misleading you and doesn't really understand anything. 

Some people cannot cope with change. They are not adaptable. Microsoft is a business, rather than your mum. They have strategies and they change strategies. Panos Panay ran the Windows Client and Microsoft Surface division and the plan then was to have a new version of Windows every three years with minor feature updates along the way. By that timetable Windows 12 would be 24H2 and @Confuscious would be complaining that they told him that his PC is not compatible with Windows 12.

But Panos Panay left for Amazon and the strategy changed(not necessarily in that order), to an annual major operating system update.  He was replaced by Yusuf Medhi, Consumer Chief Marketing Officer.

For some of us, it doesn't matter which version is released. We adapt and find a way through it. Others get stuck, only whining and complaining about a virtually free service.

 

[Centigrade32]

8 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Don't you need to have a working brain before it can be "Brainwashed"?

 

It might have been working in the past. I don't know their history. This lunacy has brought them to my attention.

[Centigrade32]

1 hour ago, Confuscious said:

By the way, Windows 12 will most likely will be running from the Microsoft servers, not from your system.

Just like the big companies where you have one mainframe with the OS and the hardware and a lot of basic computers with a minimal hardware connected to the mainframe by LAN.

Microsoft will charge users to keep running Windows 12 on a monthly fee.

 

You are posting nonsense again. 

 

[WDSmart]

This happened to me also on one of my computers, a tower. It had Win11 Pro 22H2 (installed in 2022 and now out-of-service). I installed 24H2, and now everything is fine. I didn't have to pay any money, but the installation was a hassle. I now have to do the same thing on my other computer (laptop) that has 23H2. 

[Drumbuie]

I am consistently surprised that  people keep asking for advice about their health and their difficulties with modern tech on ASEAN Forums.

 

Pharmacists are trained to treat minor ailments and will tell you if they can't and you need to see a doctor.

 

The internet abounds in people ( geeks, nerds, coders, tech guys etc)  who will tell you exactly how to fix your laptop, your car, your AC , your sewing machine etc etc, with a helpful video - plus ( and this is a big plus)  they will never insult you.  

 

[Centigrade32]

25 minutes ago, Drumbuie said:

I am consistently surprised that  people keep asking for advice about their health and their difficulties with modern tech on ASEAN Forums.

 

Pharmacists are trained to treat minor ailments and will tell you if they can't and you need to see a doctor.

 

The internet abounds in people ( geeks, nerds, coders, tech guys etc)  who will tell you exactly how to fix your laptop, your car, your AC , your sewing machine etc etc, with a helpful video - plus ( and this is a big plus)  they will never insult you.  

 

 

 

Perhaps it escaped your attention that it is the OP who was doing all of the insulting. So I guess he is the type who would be posting insults on the YouTube channel comments too. Have you noticed even a modicum of gratitude for the help that they have been given from multiple posters?

Instead they have just insisted that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

You are what you are.

[ignore it]

As a bit of a respite from all this technosquabbling, let me note that there has been no effect on my Windows 7.

[TigerandDog]

On 1/27/2025 at 12:58 PM, Confuscious said:

Google and Microsoft are full of users with the same problem.

My system was supported by Windows 11 and I was running a legal version of windows 11.

But from version 22H2 up, the hardware is not supported anymore.

I don't agree. When I installed W11 it was v22H2. By way of the normal Wondows system updates my W11 is now v

 

On 1/27/2025 at 12:58 PM, Confuscious said:

Google and Microsoft are full of users with the same problem.

My system was supported by Windows 11 and I was running a legal version of windows 11.

But from version 22H2 up, the hardware is not supported anymore.

I don't entirely agree with what you are saying about 22H2 not being supported anymore.  Whilst actual support may no longer be there, Windows updates should be automatically updating your version of W11. When I installed W11 it was v21H2. Over time the periodic windows updates have automatically updated my version to where it is currently, viz 24H2.

As others have stated, just go to your Windows setting and go to Windows Updates. It should tell you whether your updates are up to date or not, and it gives you the option to Check for Updates and install them.  Also in the Windows Updates screen check to make sure that "Get the latest updates as soon as they are available" is turned ON.