Trump's Trade War to Raise Prices on a Wide Range of Products

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Yagoda said:

In your fevered Socialist wet dream maybe.

The left knows Trump will help the working class, partly at the expense of the lettered class. That's why they hate him. 

 

If the left really believed Trump would help the rich at the expense of the poor (like the Biden administration did), they'd be all for him. 

[lordgrinz]

Mexico folded.

[Cryingdick]

9 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

Mexico folded.

 

When you put Chuck on a stage with an avocado and a Corona Mexico knows sh!t just got real. Trump sold that well had the left panicked.

[SunnyinBangrak]

So Mexico folded like a cheap cardigan. I KNEW Trump would win this and the left would have egg on their faces. How? Trump = common sense & logic. It always prevails. Canada and Mexico can't afford to ruin their economy when they have such weak hands.

Go Trump. This is AWESOME winning trade wars and making the left look like clowns. A 2fer😅

Going back to laugh at the awful and hysterical responses from those with no idea of economics or common sense.

[CallumWK]

9 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So Mexico folded like a cheap cardigan.

 

Were you involved in the conversations, or do you have a source you can link to, that proves Mexico caved?

I say that Trump caved, as he get told what damage he is doing.

My feeling is that he will not here for long anymore

[Cryingdick]

28 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Were you involved in the conversations, or do you have a source you can link to, that proves Mexico caved?

I say that Trump caved, as he get told what damage he is doing.

My feeling is that he will not here for long anymore

 

Either way Mexico sending 10,000 troops to help seal up the border. 

[Centigrade32]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The left knows Trump will help the working class, partly at the expense of the lettered class. That's why they hate him. 

 

If the left really believed Trump would help the rich at the expense of the poor (like the Biden administration did), they'd be all for him. 

 

What a load...

[Yagoda]

34 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

My feeling is that he will not here for long anymore

What is your lot going to do try to kill him again?

[CallumWK]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

What is your lot going to do try to kill him again?

 

If he get assassinated, it will be by his own folks.

[GypsyT]

On 2/2/2025 at 7:03 PM, MicroB said:

The favourite to replace Trudeau, Mark Carney, would be interesting to listen to.  Dr Carney; actual economist.

 

Its generally said tariffs only hurt the consumer, as the increase is passed on. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 caued the Great Depression. The Great Depression allowed Hitler to come to power, and ultimately the impact of the US raising tariffs caused World War 2. 

 

But not strictly true if the consumer has a choice. That's Trump's imaginary solution.

 

80% of Canadian oil is exported to the US. But why does the US need Canadian or any foreign oil if it can drill baby drill.

 

https://www.fuelstreamservices.com/why-the-u-s-cant-use-the-oil-it-produces/

 

For cars, its utterly dependant on imported oil, or expect sharp increases at the pump, and ultimately, in the supermarket (eg price of eggs).

 

About 80% of medical equipment is imported, albeit made by US companies. Trump should ask his mate Putin how he got on onshoring the Russian medical industry post-2022. Russia has a lot of technical knowhow. They put a man into space first, They have nukes. They have incredible scientists.

 

That's probably what Putin thought when he formed a panel to look at what medical equipment and medicines coud be Made In  Russia Again (medicines and most medical equipments are not sanctioned, but they are now much more expensive in Russia, since 89-90% were imported). The response was not much. Its not just about know how; that will take years to develop, but in healthcare, doctors generally don't want to kill their patients with some hokey solution.

 

A lot of politicians, East and West, don't understand this. They think its just about Will and Ingenuity. This was played out during COVID and Ventilators. With good reason. there was expected to be an increase in demand for Emergency Ventilators, only they weren't mass produced, generally only made, quite slowly, to order. We didn't have enough ventilators. So there was a worldwide, and unseemly scramble for available inventory.

 

Anyone remember when Putin made America a gift of Russian ventilators, and other medical equipments in March 2020, to help out in New York. The President at the time thought it was a big deal, and he was very thankful. None of it made it anywhere near a US hospital. It went straight to the scrap heap. No American doctor was willing to risk their patients being hooked u to a shonky bit of kit that could actually kill them. Lots of countries had lots of people from industry to rethink how to make ventilators. In the US, Trump got GM and Ford, in a WW2 style effort make 50,000 ventilators in 100 days. In the UK, the government got the military involved, formed the "Uk Ventilator Challenge", lead by defence contractor Babcock to take the same approach as we did to Afghanistan, with "Urgent Operational Requirements", think out of the box, how to make a back to basics ventilator, war style, after thats what made the Sten gun brilliant.... James Dyson put in his awl, saying ventilator makers were idiots, and he was a genius rethinking the concept of the ventilator, in the same was he reinvented the hoover and changed how we dry our hands. Pretty sure Elon Musk pitched in. Trumpf must have loved this, all these fellow geniuses getting things done, a can do spirit.

 

Only no one spoke to the doctors. For the same reason they didn't want Russian ventilators that catch fire anywhere near their hospitals, they didn't want ventilators screwed together by someone a week earlier who was screwing together a F150, nor a ventilator designed by a hoover maker using coke bottles and chicket wire.

 

And this is what Putin found. Russian doctors wanted to have the same medicines as before, the same ultrasound as before, the same IVD tests as before. Not Russki knockoffs.

 

The Healthcare supply chain is complex; I am working with certain national agencies to understand the supply chain landscape supporting their healthcare needs, using their own data that they can't understand. They were worried about the stresses revealed by COIV. They are genuinely worried about another COVID. But they are worried about the effects of Typhoons, Hurricanes and other natural weath events, and how that impacts supply. They are worried about financial failure.

 

Did you know, there is a influenza testing device sold in the US, by a top US makers, it provides rapid and accurate testing for a battery of viruses. They assemble some of it in the US, they assemble another bit in their China subsidiary (the consumable, because they need that to be really cheap if scaling it up for population level usage). They don't know much about electronics, so they use a US contract manufacturer to design and make a reader. This CMO farms that out to its Singaporean subsidiary, who ultimately get it made in their lower wage Malaysian factory. Meanwhile, this test,, is worthless if it doesn't have reagents. Luckily, they can do that inhouse, except for the Control. Control is something to prove the test works. Its an inert derivative of the virus you are trying to detect. It can only be made in a laboratory that is growing active virus to actually quite large amounts. Its a lab that needs particular containment measures, of the sort seen at the Wuhan Virus Research Institute. This major US manufacturer sources its killed control from a little Dutch sub-contractor, from their little Dutch BS3 containment facility. The manufacturer operates with a 8% margin; it squeezes its suppliers because its responsibility is not to provide cheap tests for patients, but to provide return to its shareholders. For this US manufacturer, about 40% of volume goes to the US. It has a leading market share in the US, but is more pressured in the EU and China thanks to less strict regulatory oversight. It has to pay the tariffs. It could pass all of that onto the providers in the US, or it can try and squeeze its suppliers some more, raise prices in non-US markets. Or it might say, Fk It, the cost of business in the US is already quite high, lets reduce our exposure there, and focus of expanding market share in those fast growing markets in APAC. Revenue is revenue. With less competition in the US, prices rise, but also device/medicine efficacy falls; manufacturers have no incentive to improve things.

 

Its US companies that have largely created the global ecosystem of trade that Trumpf rails against ("the globalists"). US sales are very important to them, or course but so are non-US sales. That proportion varies by industry. In the traditional industries, lke cars, American car makers still sell most cars to Americans, and that will always be like that. Its in the Tech industries where its very different, the same tech industry that Trumpf is pinning his hopes on with the US re-industrialization strategy. Its going to work for traditional industry. One outcome is your frying pans (skillets) will no longer be mostly Chinese, but American. They'll be more expensive, but American. But guess what, people don't use skillets so much any more. Its all about air fryers now. Tech firms have the largest proportion of revenue from outside of the US. Now Trump wants then to reshore their operations, making them less compeititive in the markets they have always existed in. He'd have to devalue the US Dollar to do that. Oh wait, he doesn't want to do that, because the USD is strong.

Something is missing here.

Can I get long version?

Thanks!

 

[Yagoda]

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

It didn't take long for that type of comment.

In light of the continued socialist anti-Semitism here it is appropriate.

[Yagoda]

4 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

If he get assassinated, it will be by his own folks.

Like the ones who have already tried? Violence and assassination is a trademark of the left

[lordgrinz]

Oh look, Canada folded too 😜

[248900_1469958220]

18 hours ago, LosLobo said:

A profound analysis straight from Palookasville—where big dreams of intellectualism crash into the brick wall of reality. A classic tale of overconfidence, miscalculation, and self-inflicted failure. Just like Trump.

 

As a movie fan, why not list your location as Capitol City? You know, the town from Idiocracy.

I think we can be friends...where exactly in 'Fagsville' are you located?

[CallumWK]

38 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

Oh look, Canada folded too 😜

 

Word on the street is that nobody folded, but that Trump is nothing more than a windbag, and that they told him what it would cost the people who voted for him.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-how-much-tariffs-on-canada-and-china-would-cost-you-214017803.html

Ahead of the announcement that the US would pause tariffs on Canada for 30 days, the Yale Budget Lab estimated 25% tariffs on Canadian imports and a 10% additional tariff on Chinese goods would cost American households about $690 each.

That figure assumes Canada retaliates with tariffs of its own, according to analysis first shared with Yahoo Finance. If it doesn’t, the cost would be $648 per household. Tariffs on Canada would also shrink the US economy by $875 billion, or 0.2% of gross domestic product.

And when including tariffs on Mexican goods, import taxes on all three countries would cost about $1,245 per household while reducing GDP by $1.4 billion.

 

 

[lordgrinz]

Just now, CallumWK said:

Word on the street is that nobody folded, but that Trump is nothing more than a windbag, and that they told him what it would cost the people who voted for him.

 

Keep deluding yourself, never play poker with a man named "Trump".

[CallumWK]

1 minute ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Keep deluding yourself, never play poker with a man named "Trump".

 

Haha, his casino's went bankrupt, something that is very hard to achieve if you have just a little business sense, because he's such a good poker player.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, lordgrinz said:

 

Keep deluding yourself, never play poker with a man named "Trump".

 

   Ah, that explains why you are so nasty, say no more .

Makes sense now 

[herfiehandbag]

22 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I like the idea of punishing the Chinese government just as much as the next guy but I don't like the idea of punishing American consumers in the process, and devastating the US economy, which is exactly what big boy is doing. 

 

The problem is he's just simply not smart enough to understand that, and he's appointed bottom of the barrel, garbage advisors, so nobody in the room is bright enough to figure any of this stuff out. 

He bankrupted his Casinos (to go bust running a casino is in itself a remarkable achievement!), he bankrupted many of his businesses, and now he is going for the big one, to bankrupt his country!

[LosLobo]

28 minutes ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

I think we can be friends...where exactly in 'Fagsville' are you located?

Ah, an ad hominem slur—textbook logical fallacy and a subliminal admission of surrender.

When logic fails, the failed resort to insults. Thanks for confirming my point so effortlessly.

[248900_1469958220]

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Ah, an ad hominem slur—textbook logical fallacy and a subliminal admission of surrender.

When logic fails, the failed resort to insults. Thanks for confirming my point so effortlessly.

Now I KNOW I like you!

[frank83628]

33 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Haha, his casino's went bankrupt, something that is very hard to achieve if you have just a little business sense, because he's such a good poker player.

What's your casino called?

[Sandboxer]

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

In your fevered Socialist wet dream maybe.

Nope, fully red blooded white collar capitalist pig here.  I despise Western blue collar trash (especially the bogan demographics that visit Thailand).

[Yagoda]

26 minutes ago, Sandboxer said:

Nope, fully red blooded white collar capitalist pig here.  I despise Western blue collar trash (especially the bogan demographics that visit Thailand).

Im sure they despise you right back, seems to be something that would be easy.

[Patong2021]

3 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

Oh look, Canada folded too 😜

 

Canada did not fold. Trump had to find a way out of the mess as the markets were reflecting the stupidity of the tariff threats. Even   run of the mill US citizens were saying it was a dumb idea.

Canada has done nothing more than repackage what it was already doing. Because the  right wing tabloids like Daily Mail says it folded doesn't mean it did.  The only change is that Canada has said that it will move to classify Mexican cartels as a terror organization and that it will designate someone to act as a a fentanyl control  supervisor.  Smoke and mirrors.

 

Trump has turned Canadians against the USA very quickly and the move is on to  avoid  US products. Governor of red state kentucky was crying the blues when he realized that  Kentucky's largest market, Canada was  boycotting US products.  The damage is done.

 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Canada did not fold. Trump had to find a way out of the mess as the markets were reflecting the stupidity of the tariff threats. Even   run of the mill US citizens were saying it was a dumb idea.

Canada has done nothing more than repackage what it was already doing. Because the  right wing tabloids like Daily Mail says it folded doesn't mean it did.  The only change is that Canada has said that it will move to classify Mexican cartels as a terror organization and that it will designate someone to act as a a fentanyl control  supervisor.  Smoke and mirrors.

 

Trump has turned Canadians against the USA very quickly and the move is on to  avoid  US products. Governor of red state kentucky was crying the blues when he realized that  Kentucky's largest market, Canada was  boycotting US products.  The damage is done.

 

Only the leftists in Canada are against the US, and that is nothing new. Why don't you ask the truckers how they feel? 

 

Poor, poor lefty. 

[Centigrade32]

5 hours ago, lordgrinz said:

Oh look, Canada folded too 😜

 

But they didn't, did they? Trump has a habit of claiming victories when there were none and credit for other people's work.

 

If you look closely at the statements, you will understand that nothing different has been offered. In fact, Canada says the people are already in place. Naming a Fentanyl czar? Whoop dee doo. The amount of Fentanyl coming in from Canada is miniscule in comparison to Mexico. So in which way has Canada folded? Similarly Mexico. In fact the USA has to help Mexico with the flow of weapons into Mexico. 

What really strikes me in these threads, is the infantile behaviour. It's like they think they are watching a football game and want their team to 'win', no matter the cost. Even if they aren't winning, they'll pretend they did.

Instead of all coming together to discuss what is good and what is not so  good, they just ignorantly rant about Dems and Lefties. It's really quite pathetic.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Centigrade32 said:

 

But they didn't, did they? Trump has a habit of claiming victories when there were none and credit for other people's work.

 

If you look closely at the statements, you will understand that nothing different has been offered. In fact, Canada says the people are already in place. Naming a Fentanyl czar? Whoop dee doo. The amount of Fentanyl coming in from Canada is miniscule in comparison to Mexico. So in which way has Canada folded? Similarly Mexico. In fact the USA has to help Mexico with the flow of weapons into Mexico. 

What really strikes me in these threads, is the infantile behaviour. It's like they think they are watching a football game and want their team to 'win', no matter the cost. Even if they aren't winning, they'll pretend they did.

Instead of all coming together to discuss what is good and what is not so  good, they just ignorantly rant about Dems and Lefties. It's really quite pathetic.

[Centigrade32]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Only the leftists in Canada are against the US, and that is nothing new. Why don't you ask the truckers how they feel? 

 

Poor, poor lefty. 

 

What is wrong with you? 😊 You act as if you are in the school playground. Exactly the type of character I described in my previous post.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Centigrade32 said:

 

What is wrong with you? 😊 You act as if you are in the school playground. Exactly the type of character I described in my previous post.

What is wrong with you? 😊 You act as if you are in an old folk's home for leftists