If you are retired, does it bother you that you will never be a Thai Permanent Resident?

[NoDisplayName]

8 minutes ago, jayboy said:

 

 

And thus my point is proved.

 

You had a point?

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Elvis Presley said:

I think you have totally missed the point, but you do you...

 

I will enjoy my PR status and you keep on enjoying your 90 day reports and annual extensions!

 

regards,

Elvis from Tupelo.

My chauffeur runs inside and does my 90 day report on my way to the Golf Club for morning bloody marys.

[FriscoKid]

3 hours ago, Elvis Presley said:

....don't you feel at all dehumanized by having to check in with immigration every 90 days, like some sort of criminal?

 

think about it......

 

Bob, we've thought deeply about it. You’ve been banging on with this anti 90-day report crusade of yours like an old minger ever since you discovered you could rent two ladyboys for the price of one minge.
 

You reckon it’s some massive infringement on your sovereignty? Mate, what about when they fingerprint you at the airport? Or when you hand over your home address to renew your driving license, get a pink ID card, or register a house book?

 

You think the powers that be are sitting there scratching their arses, wondering where to find Bum-Burglar-Bob if they fancy popping by for a cuppa and a listen to your latest moan-fest?

 

FFS, get a grip, bruv. If Thailand’s bureaucracy is that much of a burden on you then you could always do what you keep threatening to do and finally sod off to Spain. Oh wait…

 

 

 

[MadAtMatrix]

6 hours ago, ukrules said:

 

PR is useful if you're spending you're working life in Thailand, I know one or two who have it. There are strings attached and it can be lost if you don't continue to fulfill whatever the ongoing requirements are - I think it was mainly continuing to live in the country and renewing it every few years, perhaps every 3 years (from memory) but we're going back  a while when I last discussed this with the guy I know who's had one for a long time.
 

Now this guy was married, worked here for decades, had a few kids and still needed to provide DNA tests proving the kids were his before he could get his PR - the entire thing seems very hostile - as in they don't want to issue it and you need to persuade them to do so - I don't know anyone who got this without being really quite wealthy, like ten million US dollars and up wealthy.

 

There are people out there who seem to think they can get a PR by earning slightly above the minimum amount and paying tax for 3 years - in my opinion they will almost all be very disappointed when they're turned down after paying all sorts of fees and completing masses of paperwork.

 

Personally I never worked for a Thai company in any way and don't ever plan to.

 

I've been using those Thailand Elite visas for about 10 years already now and the current membership expires some time in 2040, I'll review the situation as 2040 approaches. I will be nearly 70 at that point, so yes, I'm using Elite well into and beyond the retirement qualification age range as I don't want to deal with any of their hassle.

 

500k Baht for 15 years extension of my Elite membership - well worth it. They even give you new visas as all visas only last for a maximum of 5 years when you arrive at the airport!

 

50,000 baht for the LTR visa. Ten year stamp in your passport. Have to go visit them at the 5 year mark to ensure you still meet the requirements for the program. Took me about a month from application to stamp in my passport. 

Was on the elite easy access before that. 

[novacova]

10 hours ago, Elvis Presley said:

does it bother you that you have to perpetually go to immigration year in year out, photos, cap in hand, 800K bank balance etc just to stay here?

No

10 hours ago, Elvis Presley said:

it must be so cumbersome, especially when you are over 60 or so..

No, it’s not 

[black tabby12345]

5 hours ago, Tomtomtom69 said:

Never heard it was possible unless working in Thailand.

 

 

That is the information given both by immigration lawyers and visa agent I contacted over a decade ago.

That was the question purely out of my curiosity(nothing serious).

Since I had no real interest in it, no further research/probe done ever after...

 

[Peabody]

10 hours ago, Elvis Presley said:

still a pain though innit,

 

PR is better.

The pain from the PR is the 190,000 THB fee (when I applied). Pay on approval

[short-Timer]

55 minutes ago, Peabody said:

The pain from the PR is the 190,000 THB fee (when I applied). Pay on approval

Same as the cost of 100 years of retirement visas. 

[freedomnow]

13 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Impossible for MALE non-working (in Thailand) foreigners.

For any FEMALE foreigners married to a Thai man, really easy working or not.

Says it all really.

[Elvis Presley]

5 hours ago, Peabody said:

The pain from the PR is the 190,000 THB fee (when I applied). Pay on approval

I have money.

[EVENKEEL]

26 minutes ago, Elvis Presley said:

I have money.

Then why ride with Winn drivers? Mrs. Smith says hello.

[Elvis Presley]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Then why ride with Winn drivers? Mrs. Smith says hello.

Because it was heavy traffic and didn't fancy paying for a limousine to sit in it for hours.

 

That's called being pragmatic. 

[JimHuaHin]

Being a retired expat Permanent Resident would make life easier, especially in dealing with the Thai bureaucracy.

 

It would be nice if retired expats, who have resided in Thailand for 5+ or 10 or so years, who have had no problems with the police/law, who have an adequate annual income, say Baht 1 million, from pensions, investments, etc. be granted PR.

 

Fully aware that PR, like citizenship, can be revoked by the authorities.

[EVENKEEL]

28 minutes ago, Elvis Presley said:

Because it was heavy traffic and didn't fancy paying for a limousine to sit in it for hours.

 

That's called being pragmatic. 

I have a limousine private limousine with a mini bar and a dedicated full time driver. Life is good. I usually stock up with limo-hos incase traffic is bad.

[Almudena]

22 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Impossible for MALE non-working (in Thailand) foreigners.

For any FEMALE foreigners married to a Thai man, really easy working or not.

Correct! I know of two western women in the village, married to Thai blokes, have children together and now they hold Thai passports.  Also they didn't have to show the 400K in the bank when they were on marriage extensions.

[thjames88]

22 hours ago, MadAtMatrix said:

It is called the LTR visa. 
 

key word there is Visa  and its a 10 year visa...   the description or sales pitch never says the word "permanent" anywhere

[Presnock]

23 hours ago, Elvis Presley said:

does it bother you that you have to perpetually go to immigration year in year out, photos, cap in hand, 800K bank balance etc just to stay here? it must be so cumbersome, especially when you are over 60 or so..

 

as far as Im aware, retirees are ineligible to apply for PR because they don't meet the income requirements so must always stay in the lowly Non Immigrant status for the remainder of their stay.

 

I am very close to having my PR in the bag. Just a few more hoops to jump through and I'm done.

 

It's really great to be alive at the moment 🙂 

 

regards,

Elvis from Tupelo.

wrong in that while I was on a retirement O for 20 years, I now have an LTR - cost effective and better benefits, less papework for ME anyway as my financial and health insurance issue is really simple and takes care of me an my family.  

[Purdey]

I admit the permanent residence is a big benefit for me. After paying to get it, I feel good that I don't have to go to immigration and can't be caught out if the law changes, e.g. THB1m deposit for retirement visa.

The red book is updated every 5 years. I asked the policeman who did it, what happens if I forget to stamp it?

A fine.

Cancellation of the PR?

No.

[crazykopite]

Absolutely not !

[newbee2022]

I'm a tax resident already.

That's enough

[Kerryd]

Does having PR let you buy land ? 
No.

Does PR let you pay the "Thai" price at hospitals ?
No.

Does PR let you pay the "Thai" price at National Parks or tourist attractions ?
Some - but not all.

Does PR let you skip out on paying taxes on foreign (or domestic) income ?
No.

Does PR mean you don't need a Visa/Extension to stay here all year ?
Yes.

Does PR mean you don't need a re-entry permit to go outside the country ?
Yes.

Does PR mean you will be treated any differently than any other tourist regardless of how long you've been in Thailand ?

No. You will always be "just another farang". 

190,000 baht fee if it's approved ?

No wonder all the world's riff-raff flock to Canada.

Spend 3 years in Canada pretending to be a refugee or "asylum seeker" (preferably from an African, Middle Eastern or Caribbean country) and so long as you aren't arrested (for anything serious) - you will be GIVEN full Canadian Citizenship at NO cost.

The right to vote. No visas needed. Go anywhere, do anything with you shiny new Canadian passport.
No need to speak English or French. No need to know about Canada's history. 
And now - no need to even show up in person to swear the "oath of allegiance" that you don't care about anyways !

Added benefit - as a refugee or asylum seeker living off of Canada's generosity - you can immediately start demanding that Canada change it's laws and regulations to suit you !

Meanwhile in Thailand - you will always be a "farang tourist".

I'm betting that even if you were one of the very few that actually acquired Thai citizenship and you had a valid Thai ID card and passport - you would STILL be treated as a "farang tourist" 99.9% of the time.

[Ralf001]

7 minutes ago, Kerryd said:

Does PR let you pay the "Thai" price at hospitals ?
No.

 

probably not but as most men that have PR likely gained it via the employment route.... would hope they kept paying into SS after they finished employment. That atleast gives cheap health care.

[wombat]

Not at all...I am a guest in Thailand, that's all.

[Elvis Presley]

2 minutes ago, wombat said:

Not at all...I am a guest in Thailand, that's all.

How long have you been here?

[shackleton]

Can't get to worked up about it

Call me a Tourist or what ever  as long as I get the yearly visa to stay 👍

[scottiejohn]

2 hours ago, Almudena said:

Correct! I know of two western women in the village, married to Thai blokes, have children together and now they hold Thai passports.  Also they didn't have to show the 400K in the bank when they were on marriage extensions.

Please don't give Bob ideas like that!

His next topic will be that he is going to have a sex change and marry one of his ladyboy friends so he can get a free Thai passport/citizenship!

[Elvis Presley]

9 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Please don't give Bob ideas like that!

His next topic will be that he is going to have a sex change and marry one of his ladyboy friends so he can get a free Thai passport/citizenship!

hey, john

 

do you think it's right that farang women have an easier ride to getting thai citizenship than farang men do?

 

do you see any issues at all with that setup?

 

regards,

Elvis from Tupelo.

[scottiejohn]

Just now, Elvis Presley said:

do you think it's right that farang women have an easier ride 

Elvis from Tupelo.

I love giving Farang women an easier ride, don't you?

 

PS:  Glad to see that you are acknowledging that you are Bob since you responded to my post that referenced him!

[khunPer]

On 2/3/2025 at 6:21 AM, Elvis Presley said:

does it bother you that you have to perpetually go to immigration year in year out, photos, cap in hand, 800K bank balance etc just to stay here? it must be so cumbersome, especially when you are over 60 or so

In a way yes, but I can live with it. The benefits og living "all year summer" in Thailand are still greater than staying home. However, it would make sense that after a certain number of year' uninterrupted extension of stay, retirees could get a little less strict conditions. It's not so much the financial proof og being self supported, but merely quqing up and waiting with the ongoing stack of same document each year, like address maps etc...

[digger70]

No.  No.  🙏