Trump’s Proposal for Gazan Relocation makes perfect sense

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, spot said:

 

There you go again, insinuating my dishonesty. I didn't change anything you said.

You know full well that I wasn't being specific about tunnels and the number of rockets they have at this particular time.

It's clear I was talking about the threat remaining, if peace isn't worked out.

 

Thank you for adding the new part about conceding that 'threats will remain.'

 

 

 

Nothing conceded.

 Of course threats will remain when terrorists remain alive and have intent to carry out terrorism. But they are unable to carry out another mass genocidal attack on a par with Oct 7th. Fact.

[spot]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

The only atrocity was Joe Biden leaving our American hostages over there. We should be bombing Tehran until the hostages are released.

 

Great job by the way Benny in smashing hamas and Hezbollah. I'm glad that we have Israel on our side, they can take care of our light work. They just need to be a bit tougher and not pay attention to all the screechy little whiners who hate Jews because Jews are smarter richer and more powerful than they are, just keep dropping those bombs until the scumbags wave the white flag.

People will sometimes ask: why so much hatred, so much terrorism, so many people displace, so much hate.

Then they read this post.

[Yagoda]

46 minutes ago, spot said:

People will sometimes ask: why so much hatred, so much terrorism, so many people displace, so much hate.

Then they read this post.

Exactly. The jew haters are filth, are they not ? That's because Jews are inimical to socialism, since they believe in intellectual freedom, debate, capitalism, free speech and all the Western values that derive from there thousands of years of intellectual influence. Thank God we in the West have the Jews on our side. Especially the israelis, our troops love them

[simple1]

On 2/4/2025 at 6:16 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

How many Muslim refugees does Saudi take?

 

KSR has taken many refugees, though outside of the UN process therefore not recognised and ARE not provided citizenship.

 

https://academic.oup.com/ijrl/article/35/3/251/7439896

 

 

[GypsyT]

The Trump / Musk  DOGE kid had great idea but got fired for it...

 

"Another post found by the Journal expressed disdain for both sides of Israel’s war against Hamas. Elez wrote: “I would not mind at all if Gaza and Israel were both wiped off the face of the Earth.”

[thaibeachlovers]

Looking at Trump ranting on about deporting Palestinians from their own land to Jordan in contravention of international law while the king of Jordan looked on was priceless ( Jordan has refused to take any already ). I can only imagine what the king was thinking, but it won't be complimentary

 

If Trump is going to take this to the ultimate of sending US troops to collude in war crimes I hope the 25th amendment is invoked.

Trump should stick to domestic situations as IMO he has lost the plot when it comes to the M E, and is looking like a fool, howling at the moon.

[MicroB]

King Abdullah, like his dad, has to chart a very careful course. Jordan is not a wealthy country, but, for the region, a fantastic military.

 

Though he probably knows its all hot air from Trumpf.

[MicroB]

On 2/6/2025 at 9:50 PM, Yagoda said:

Exactly. The jew haters are filth, are they not ? That's because Jews are inimical to socialism, since they believe in intellectual freedom, debate, capitalism, free speech and all the Western values that derive from there thousands of years of intellectual influence. Thank God we in the West have the Jews on our side. Especially the israelis, our troops love them

 

Hmm, Kibbutz life always had a reputation as being quite socialistic. Hence Old Labour was close to Israel.

 

https://www.acton.org/religion-liberty/volume-29-number-3/israeli-kibbutz-victory-socialism

https://www.jstor.org/stable/40751491

https://www.ghi-dc.org/fileadmin/publications/Bulletin_Supplement/Supplement_14/Sup14_75.pdf

 

Romano-Greek value are probably the bigger influence on Western Civilisation, I don't get the whole thing of women wearing wigs walking behind their husbands with the curly sideburns.

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, MicroB said:

Hmm, Kibbutz life always had a reputation as being quite socialistic. Hence Old Labour was close to Israel.

Jews and Socialism have a complicated history. That doesnt mean that the Socialist movement  refuses to use them as the enemy, as both the Bolsheviks and National Socialist have.

 

12 minutes ago, MicroB said:

Romano-Greek value are probably the bigger influence on Western Civilisation, I don't get the whole thing of women wearing wigs walking behind their husbands with the curly sideburns.

Typical antisemitism. But hey, if a small group of fanatics represent everyone in a group, guess you should polish your SS runes. 

 

Bet it drives you nuts that Western civilization is called Judeo Christian.  Judeo. Jews. 10 commandments and all that. Even Jesus was a Jew, imagine that.

[bannork]

King Abdullah of Jordan has rejected Donald Trump's plan to resettle Palestinians in the kingdom.

Following a meeting with Trump at the White House on Tuesday, Abdullah wrote on X that Jordan remained "steadfast" against "the displacement of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. This is the unified Arab position."

Jordan, a key US ally in the Middle East, is already home to millions of Palestinians.

While the King volunteered to accept up to 2,000 Palestinian children from Gaza in need of medical care, he stressed that rebuilding Gaza and addressing its humanitarian crisis should take precedence over relocation efforts.

 

 

[kwilco]

Hitler has won!

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/news/miriam-margolyes-palestine-israel-gaza-war-b2525107.html

 

[Patong2021]

On 2/11/2025 at 8:21 PM, MicroB said:

King Abdullah, like his dad, has to chart a very careful course. Jordan is not a wealthy country, but, for the region, a fantastic military.

 

Though he probably knows its all hot air from Trumpf.

 The Hashemites are a minority in a nation where a majority of the population identify as Palestinian. The King knows from experience the  violence  they are capable of. At some point, the Hashemites will be pushed aside and the Palestinian nation will take its rightful place in Jordan, uniting with parts of the West Bank of Israel.

[save the frogs]

On 2/11/2025 at 8:44 PM, Yagoda said:

Even Jesus was a Jew, imagine that.

Maybe Jesus was a fictional character. Imagine that. Strange how the middle east crisis is foretold in the book that Jesus appears in. 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Maybe Jesus was a fictional character. Imagine that. Strange how the middle east crisis is foretold in the book that Jesus appears in. 

Fictional or not Jesus was a Jew. He didn't even try to overthrow the religion or start a new one.

[save the frogs]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Fictional or not Jesus was a Jew. He didn't even try to overthrow the religion or start a new one.

He did start a new religion ... Christianity, no?

Where you been, beach bum? 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, save the frogs said:

He did start a new religion ... Christianity, no?

Where you been, beach bum? 

Good grief.

 

What do you not understand about "He didn't even try to .................... start a new one."

 

Christianity was started by others after he died.

 

Sometimes I despair when I'm on here.

[save the frogs]

10 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Good grief.

 

Do not despair. We are here to help. 

 

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

Gaza will always be dumpster fire as long as Palestinians run Gaza.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/17/2025 at 2:23 PM, save the frogs said:

 

Do not despair. We are here to help. 

 

 

 

A lost cause isn't worth my time, so the ignore file gets another one

[ronnie50]

Wow, am I the only one frustrated with this weirdo flag waving US-Israeli right wing stuff? Ok, so I've lived here probably longer than some (cannot use the word m...ds as is forum rules), but I well-know this entire web board is what it is, and is controled by some forces with a 'conservative' bent from years ago. Anyway, I'm not going to fight it. They will shout down anything against their view - and there is no way to counter the weirdness. F-it, because it is what it is. Anyway, this is interesting and from a legitimate news source from our region (ABC). Flame away big shots.

 

 

 

[MicroB]

On 2/12/2025 at 1:44 AM, Yagoda said:

Typical antisemitism. But hey, if a small group of fanatics represent everyone in a group, guess you should polish your SS runes. 

 

Bet it drives you nuts that Western civilization is called Judeo Christian.  Judeo. Jews. 10 commandments and all that. Even Jesus was a Jew, imagine that.

 

I think you misunderstand, and have been lazy in your characterisation of an internet stranger. The point is there isn't a single Jewish culture. I described Orthodox Jews, who are very different to more secular Jews. I don't consider them fanatics, any more than I would consider Plymouth Bretheren and Menonites to be fanatics. Both have mysterious beliefs, and like the Orthodox Jews, they keep to themselves.

 

And "Western Civilisation"; its a pretty broad brush really. Culturally, I don't have that much to do wih a Greek, but we both fall under "Western Civilisation", which has been influenced by many many cultures; and if we are mentioning Judeo-Christian culture, you should really revise that to Abrahamic culture. "Western Civilisation" has long abandoned Roman numerals as our main method of counting, instead adopting Arabic numerals. Arabic numerals (and science) of course came to Europe in Spain. Outside of Spain, it was Italian mathematicians, trained in Algeria, who started using arabic numerals. Apparently it was the printing press that really broke the grip of the Roman numeral, and by the 17th Century, Arabic numerals were the defacto standard, centuries after the Moors had disappeared from memory.

 

Its called Judeo-Christianity because of course thr link as you point out. But to Western Europe, it was Christianity which came first, hundreds of years after Christs death and very much a Roman version of the story. Jews in Britain didn't arrive I believe until the 11th Century.  Christianity though, through Romans, such as St Patrick, very much co-opted the indigenous British and Celtic cultures to get its point across.

 

As for the Biblical stories, which were collated about 2500 years ago, there is substantive academic belief that many of the stories are versions of stories that could be traced back to Sumer, which is more than 7500 years ago. It boggles the mind that there is a 8000 year gap between the structures seen in, say Bahrain (which is also known as Dilmun, and is considered the origin of the Eden story, thanks to its twin water springs), built during Gilgamesh's time, and when Jesus of Nazareth was about. And the Ten Commandments are now considered to be a bit of a rehash of the "The Commandments of the Seven", or what the Seven Sages said. If you look these up, they are remarkably similar to the 10 Commandments, indicating a common origin, or merely common human values. But the Seven Sages were Ancient Greek. It probably all back to Babylonic law.

 

The Law in Western societies is heavily influenced by Roman Law. English Common Law sets the standard for the Anglophone world. It has origins from around 1100, but it self is the result of melding Germanic  laws with Roman Law from about 500AD. Roman Law comes from the Twelve tables, which itself some think came from Athenian Law, and then we start reaching back further and further in the mists of time, far before Moses. But the problem is geology ensures that structures erected before 10-12,000 BCE simply won't survive, hence the controversy surrounding the Sphinx in Egypt. The Sphinx is a remodelled rock outcrop. Its been remodelled many times, and is considered to have originally been a carved lion figurine with the human head added later. The mystery is the water erosion around the carved base, because geologists can put a date on when there was water there; before 10,000 BC.

 

Judaism has an influence on Western Civilisation, though "Western Civilisation" existed before that rekigion, but even Western Civiisation was the creation of ancient Near East Civilisations; the ones we know about are Sumer (modern Iraq), Indus Valley (modern Pakistan) and Dilmun (modern Bahrain). Some thoughts are that the Persian Gulf is the confluence of 3 rivers (one of which has gone), and maybe it was something to do with the Flood story. Judaism of course influenced Early Christianity, but the version that came to Britain, 200 years after a Christian Roman Emperor who assumed his version fo Christianity 300 years after Christ, came from a Romano-Briton who blended Roman pagan belief, with a Chinese whispers version of Christianity with British culture (yes, when the Romans came to Britannia, they started worshipping British gods, alongside their own ones). Actual Jewish culture, in any significance, only really came in the Middle Ages, and whatever influence it had is left behind in a few words and foods (possibly fried fish for instance). With the result being the biggest day on the Christian calendar is a north European pagan winter festival. Or was it Roman? As a festival, because it came about in European winters with short days, this would be quite alien to the Levantine civilisations.

 

And then have a think about the term "Western Civilisation". It came from, guess, Greece. They didn't have much if any, knowledge of Moses when they divided the world between West and East, so the idea of Western Civilisation long predates any monotheistic religion. That civilisation has of course sucked up lots of influences. But at its core, its a European culture, not a Middle Eastern one, even though it pinches bits and pieces to such as extent, we can no longer tell the difference.

 

And if you are referring to Israel, and the relationship between Judaism, Kibbutz life and Socialism; the people of Israel are not just expressing the values of Moses, but also the values of Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Epicurus, Plotinus, Augustine of Hippo, Thomas Aquinas, John Wycliffe, John Locke, Descartes, Kant,  and many many others, right through to the modern age, all of whom have influenced the peoples who emigrated to Israel. And like every society, not all accept those values. Hence the minority of Orthodox Jews who seemingly, on one level, accept the Western view of equality between genders; the sheitels really serves a similar function as the hijab, to express modesty (and ironically, some people find wearing of the hijab, or veil to be offensive. I find all those practice by Abrahamic adherants to be illogical, but not offensive). And the payot and beards worn by some orthodox men also has parallels, and likely the same origins, as the interpretation in some parts of Islam about the cutting of beards (hence, end up with long beards, and for real radicals, long hair, but not for hippy reasons).

 

And our civilisation is also the product of modern influences. Among the Anglophones, 3 men added more phrases to the English language than anyone else. William Shakespeare, and Lewis and Clark. Shakespeare brought in much Eastern influence, through plays such as Othello. Lewis and Clarke, in their exploration of the American West, transalted native American phrases that have now become part of all of our lexicon; wigwam, peace talks, caucus, anorak, jerky, barbeque, buccaneer etc etc.

 

I guess Western Civilisation has long gone, because now neither West nor East. Its not the World Civilisation because there others with are very different. But the way Western Civilisation has borrowed from literally every civilisation ever, makes it I suppose the Dominant, or Prevailing, Civilisation, which is a more accurate characterisation. A certain conceit goes with that. The Dominant Civilisation forever changes and evolves, like the Borg, and it cannot be nailed down to any particular single origin, instead snapping up universal truths.

 

As for Runes, funnily enough I had you down as a Stalinist-Nazi, as there is but a fagpaper difference between the two. And it was your man, Himmler, who latched onto this who Viking-Teutonic Knights nonsense, and who invented the myth of the "Volk", along the way, misappropriating symbols, while at the same time, being profoundly ignorant. Reputedly, he even had his own Castle with a Round Table, underlining the utter ridiculousness  and philosophical bankruptcy of that political creed.

 

And if the 10 Commandments are the Cornerstone of your Civilisation, does Donald Trumpf, serial adulterer, user of prostitutes, convicted confidence trickster, a blasphemer, a proverbial money changer, and who lacks the manners f the Good Samaritan, represent the height of that Civilisation?

 

 

[JimHuaHin]

Trump seems to believe that he is president of the planet, not just the USA.

[Yagoda]

29 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

I think you misunderstand, and have been lazy in your characterisation of an internet stranger. The point is there isn't a single Jewish culture. I described Orthodox Jews, who are very different to more secular Jews. I don't consider them fanatics, any more than I would consider Plymouth Bretheren and Menonites to be fanatics. Both have mysterious beliefs, and like the Orthodox Jews, they keep to themselves.

 

And "Western Civilisation"; its a pretty broad brush really. Culturally, I don't have that much to do wih a Greek, but we both fall under "Western Civilisation", which has been influenced by many many cultures; and if we are mentioning Judeo-Christian culture, you should really revise that to Abrahamic culture. "Western Civilisation" has long abandoned Roman numerals as our main method of counting, instead adopting Arabic numerals. Arabic numerals (and science) of course came to Europe in Spain. Outside of Spain, it was Italian mathematicians, trained in Algeria, who started using arabic numerals. Apparently it was the printing press that really broke the grip of the Roman numeral, and by the 17th Century, Arabic numerals were the defacto standard, centuries after the Moors had disappeared from memory.

 

Its called Judeo-Christianity because of course thr link as you point out. But to Western Europe, it was Christianity which came first, hundreds of years after Christs death and very much a Roman version of the story. Jews in Britain didn't arrive I believe until the 11th Century.  Christianity though, through Romans, such as St Patrick, very much co-opted the indigenous British and Celtic cultures to get its point across.

 

As for the Biblical stories, which were collated about 2500 years ago, there is substantive academic belief that many of the stories are versions of stories that could be traced back to Sumer, which is more than 7500 years ago. It boggles the mind that there is a 8000 year gap between the structures seen in, say Bahrain (which is also known as Dilmun, and is considered the origin of the Eden story, thanks to its twin water springs), built during Gilgamesh's time, and when Jesus of Nazareth was about. And the Ten Commandments are now considered to be a bit of a rehash of the "The Commandments of the Seven", or what the Seven Sages said. If you look these up, they are remarkably similar to the 10 Commandments, indicating a common origin, or merely common human values. But the Seven Sages were Ancient Greek. It probably all back to Babylonic law.

 

The Law in Western societies is heavily influenced by Roman Law. English Common Law sets the standard for the Anglophone world. It has origins from around 1100, but it self is the result of melding Germanic  laws with Roman Law from about 500AD. Roman Law comes from the Twelve tables, which itself some think came from Athenian Law, and then we start reaching back further and further in the mists of time, far before Moses. But the problem is geology ensures that structures erected before 10-12,000 BCE simply won't survive, hence the controversy surrounding the Sphinx in Egypt. The Sphinx is a remodelled rock outcrop. Its been remodelled many times, and is considered to have originally been a carved lion figurine with the human head added later. The mystery is the water erosion around the carved base, because geologists can put a date on when there was water there; before 10,000 BC.

 

Judaism has an influence on Western Civilisation, though "Western Civilisation" existed before that rekigion, but even Western Civiisation was the creation of ancient Near East Civilisations; the ones we know about are Sumer (modern Iraq), Indus Valley (modern Pakistan) and Dilmun (modern Bahrain). Some thoughts are that the Persian Gulf is the confluence of 3 rivers (one of which has gone), and maybe it was something to do with the Flood story. Judaism of course influenced Early Christianity, but the version that came to Britain, 200 years after a Christian Roman Emperor who assumed his version fo Christianity 300 years after Christ, came from a Romano-Briton who blended Roman pagan belief, with a Chinese whispers version of Christianity with British culture (yes, when the Romans came to Britannia, they started worshipping British gods, alongside their own ones). Actual Jewish culture, in any significance, only really came in the Middle Ages, and whatever influence it had is left behind in a few words and foods (possibly fried fish for instance). With the result being the biggest day on the Christian calendar is a north European pagan winter festival. Or was it Roman? As a festival, because it came about in European winters with short days, this would be quite alien to the Levantine civilisations.

 

And then have a think about the term "Western Civilisation". It came from, guess, Greece. They didn't have much if any, knowledge of Moses when they divided the world between West and East, so the idea of Western Civilisation long predates any monotheistic religion. That civilisation has of course sucked up lots of influences. But at its core, its a European culture, not a Middle Eastern one, even though it pinches bits and pieces to such as extent, we can no longer tell the difference.

 

And if you are referring to Israel, and the relationship between Judaism, Kibbutz life and Socialism; the people of Israel are not just expressing the values of Moses, but also the values of Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Epicurus, Plotinus, Augustine of Hippo, Thomas Aquinas, John Wycliffe, John Locke, Descartes, Kant,  and many many others, right through to the modern age, all of whom have influenced the peoples who emigrated to Israel. And like every society, not all accept those values. Hence the minority of Orthodox Jews who seemingly, on one level, accept the Western view of equality between genders; the sheitels really serves a similar function as the hijab, to express modesty (and ironically, some people find wearing of the hijab, or veil to be offensive. I find all those practice by Abrahamic adherants to be illogical, but not offensive). And the payot and beards worn by some orthodox men also has parallels, and likely the same origins, as the interpretation in some parts of Islam about the cutting of beards (hence, end up with long beards, and for real radicals, long hair, but not for hippy reasons).

 

And our civilisation is also the product of modern influences. Among the Anglophones, 3 men added more phrases to the English language than anyone else. William Shakespeare, and Lewis and Clark. Shakespeare brought in much Eastern influence, through plays such as Othello. Lewis and Clarke, in their exploration of the American West, transalted native American phrases that have now become part of all of our lexicon; wigwam, peace talks, caucus, anorak, jerky, barbeque, buccaneer etc etc.

 

I guess Western Civilisation has long gone, because now neither West nor East. Its not the World Civilisation because there others with are very different. But the way Western Civilisation has borrowed from literally every civilisation ever, makes it I suppose the Dominant, or Prevailing, Civilisation, which is a more accurate characterisation. A certain conceit goes with that. The Dominant Civilisation forever changes and evolves, like the Borg, and it cannot be nailed down to any particular single origin, instead snapping up universal truths.

 

As for Runes, funnily enough I had you down as a Stalinist-Nazi, as there is but a fagpaper difference between the two. And it was your man, Himmler, who latched onto this who Viking-Teutonic Knights nonsense, and who invented the myth of the "Volk", along the way, misappropriating symbols, while at the same time, being profoundly ignorant. Reputedly, he even had his own Castle with a Round Table, underlining the utter ridiculousness  and philosophical bankruptcy of that political creed.

 

And if the 10 Commandments are the Cornerstone of your Civilisation, does Donald Trumpf, serial adulterer, user of prostitutes, convicted confidence trickster, a blasphemer, a proverbial money changer, and who lacks the manners f the Good Samaritan, represent the height of that Civilisation?

 

 

Oh yeah definitely outed. We are talking serious Aryan Nation style lunacy here. LOL You should put 88 in your user name.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

They have began building villages in Chechnya to take in Palestinians

 

Russia's Chechnya constructs Palestinian village for Gaza war refugees

"We will continue actively promoting the adaptation of our Palestinian brothers to life in the Chechen Republic, including their employment," stated leader Kadyrov in his speech.

 

Following an announcement by Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, the construction of five buildings with 35 apartments each has begun in Chechnya's capital Grozny, with the aim of accommodating Palestinians who are fleeing the ongoing Israel-Hamas War from the Gaza Strip. So far, Russia has received around 1,200 Gazan refugees, some of whom have even obtained Russian citizenship

 

 

 

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-782139