Trump’s Bold Proposal to End Gaza’s Cycle of Suffering

[OneMoreFarang]

5 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

There wouldn't be any rubble without Hamas … fixed it for you

 

 

And I guess there wouldn't be any Hamas without Israel. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

 

It would be interesting to know what percentage, if any, Palestinians would choose to relocate to live a peaceful life and let their children have a broader education, rather than the radical indoctrination of hatred they get in Gaza.

 

A survey would of course need to be done secretly, for their personal safety.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

And I guess there wouldn't be any Hamas without Israel. 

Ask Iran 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

It would be interesting to know what percentage, if any, Palestinians would choose to relocate to live a peaceful life and let their children have a broader education, rather than the radical indoctrination of hatred they get in Gaza.

 

A survey would of course need to be done secretly, for their personal safety.

 

 

How about asking the Palestinians what they think about foreigners deciding their fate and the fate of their homelands?

 

 

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posts advocating for no Israel, a call that echo's Hamas have been removed. @OneMoreFarang

[OneMoreFarang]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s not the alternative and is as offensive as the suggestion of removing the Palestinians.

 

The two state solution is the answer.

 

You are right. That is no solution. Like what Trump suggested is no solution.

But for whatever reason some people think forcefully relocating Palestinians is a solution. I guess they could call it "Endlösung".

 

In theory a two state solution would be the answer. That is the answer since decades. But the USA and Israel obviously don't want that.

 

 

[newbee2022]

6 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

For decades, the Gaza Strip has functioned less as a place for Palestinians to build a future and more as a perpetual battlefield where they are trapped in a never-ending conflict with Israel. President Donald Trump shocked many with his suggestion to permanently resettle Gazans in nearby countries, not because the idea was inhumane, but because it challenged a long-standing status quo.

 

 

Few critics dispute that it would improve the lives of displaced Palestinians, allowing them to escape Gaza’s devastation and find peace. The real controversy lies in the idea of prioritizing Palestinian well-being over the political goals that have historically demanded their sacrifice.  

 

On October 19, 2023, Hamas leader Khaled Mashal openly acknowledged that millions of Palestinians might have to die to achieve the ultimate goal of Israel’s destruction and the establishment of an Arab Palestine from the river to the sea. This prospect did not seem to trouble him.

 

Decades earlier, Palestinian leaders such as Yasser Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas rejected Israeli offers of statehood—an unprecedented move for a national liberation movement. Their refusal was not unique. From the 1920s through the 1940s, Amin al-Husseini, a Palestinian leader and ally of Hitler, similarly rejected coexistence with a Jewish state, even before Israel’s establishment.

 

Each of these leaders has followed the same strategy: rather than accepting a negotiated peace, they have chosen to prolong the suffering of their people in pursuit of an unattainable goal.  

 

This kind of nationalism, rooted in elimination rather than coexistence, has brought nothing but misery. Arab states have long played along, using the Palestinian cause as a tool while avoiding the responsibility of resettling refugees or engaging in direct military conflicts with Israel. Instead, they have allowed Palestinians to bear the burden, suffering in refugee camps and fighting wars they could never win.

 

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which serves Palestinian refugees, operates unlike any other refugee agency. Rather than resettling those in its care, UNRWA has ensured that Palestinians remain in a state of permanent displacement, extending refugee status through multiple generations. As a result, Gaza has remained overcrowded, impoverished, and primed for conflict.  

 

Palestinians in Gaza have been radicalized in UNRWA-run schools and sustained by international aid rather than encouraged to develop self-sustaining institutions. The very existence of the Gaza Strip, long before Hamas’s reign of terror, has served as a means to keep Palestinians locked in this cycle.

 

Originally carved out by Egypt in 1949, it was never meant to be a viable homeland but rather a way to keep Palestinians at a distance, making them Israel’s problem. With UNRWA providing essential services and preventing long-term development, Gaza has effectively been a prison for its residents, ensuring they remain tools of war rather than individuals with a chance at a better life. Hamas has only entrenched this reality further, turning homes, schools, and hospitals into battle zones.  

 

The real scandal is not the suggestion that Palestinians should have the opportunity to leave Gaza voluntarily, but the fact that they have been forcibly kept there for generations. UNRWA, Egypt, and the broader international community have contributed to this imprisonment, ensuring that Palestinians remain shields for Hamas during conflicts and victims of the destruction that follows. As *The Wall Street Journal*’s editorial board pointed out in March, the liberal position seems to be that only when it harms Israel should Palestinians be kept trapped in war zones.  

 

Even as Arab nations accused Israel of indiscriminate killing, they kept Gaza’s borders shut, ensuring that Palestinians had no escape. Egypt, with international backing, forcibly prevented Gazans from fleeing—a decision that prolonged the war and made it bloodier. President Joe Biden’s support for Egypt’s blockade was one of his administration’s biggest mistakes, exacerbating the suffering rather than alleviating it.  

 

When Donald Trump suggested resettling Palestinians in safe, stable communities where they could build new lives, he was met with accusations of inhumanity. Yet, the alternative—forcing another generation to live in a war zone as permanent refugees—has somehow become the accepted, “humane” approach. Gaza offers no future for its people, only endless suffering and destruction. What many find intolerable about Trump’s idea is not that it would harm Palestinians—it would undeniably help them—but that it challenges the entrenched narrative of Palestinian victimhood.

 

For decades, their suffering has been wielded as a weapon in a larger ideological battle. The war in Gaza, and the terror attacks of October 7, 2023, have only reinforced this grim reality.  

 

Trump’s proposal forces the world to confront a difficult question: should Palestinians be condemned to permanent refugee status and endless war, or should they be given the chance to rebuild their lives in peace? For those invested in the “lost cause” of Palestine as an instrument of conflict, the answer is clear. But for those who truly care about Palestinian lives, the time has come to consider a different path.

 

Based on a report by WSJ 2025-02-07

 

 

Any doubts that Trump suffering from mental health problems?

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

You are right. That is no solution. Like what Trump suggested is no solution.

But for whatever reason some people think forcefully relocating Palestinians is a solution. I guess they could call it "Endlösung".

 

In theory a two state solution would be the answer. That is the answer since decades. But the USA and Israel obviously don't want that.

 

 

Who claimed they would be forcefully relocating Palestinians?

[Chomper Higgot]

The most likely outcome of this offensive Trump proposal is to inflame hardcore anti-Israel factions within neighboring Arab and Muslim majority states.

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

2 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Any doubts that Trump suffering from mental health problems?

No doubt. The problem is that over 70 million Americans "thought" it is a good idea to have a criminal with mental health problems as their president. 

[Thingamabob]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s not the consensus.

 

 

Having lived and worked in the region for many years I can assure you very few, if any, Middle Eastern countries welcome Palestinian refugees. One thing is for sure, the re-strucuring of Gaza needs a radical approach if further conflicts are to be avoided.

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Having lived and worked in the region for many years I can assure you very few, if any, Middle Eastern countries welcome Palestinian refugees. One thing is for sure, the re-strucuring of Gaza needs a radical approach if further conflicts are to be avoided.

How many of them like Israel and Israelis? 

[newbee2022]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Who claimed they would be forcefully relocating Palestinians?

? You want to offer everybody who leaves Palestine "voluntarily" what? Staying alive? Not bombed? Not killed? Not murdered? ?😳

[Eric Loh]

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The most likely outcome of this offensive Trump proposal is to inflame hardcore anti-Israel factions within neighboring Arab and Muslim majority states.

 

 

 

Has united the Arabs and make Hamas looks like victim of a Israel and US plot to seize the Gaza land. Trump has unilaterally emboldened Israel's ultra right wingers and ignite new anger towards Israel and USA. I supported Israel in the early stage of the war to take out Hamas but the protracted war and dispropotionate tactics has undo much of my support.  

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, newbee2022 said:

? You want to offer everybody who leaves Palestine "voluntarily" what? Staying alive? Not bombed? Not killed? Not murdered? ?😳

Nobody has claimed they would be forcibly removed, an impossibility anyway. Pointless making things up. 

[Tropicalevo]

It is easy to 'End Gaza’s Cycle of Suffering'.

Just tell Hamas, and all of the Palestinians supporting them, to stop killing, kidnapping, raping etc all Jews.

Oh, and hand over the remaining hostages and/or their bodies and arrest the murderers and rapists that invaded Israel.

 

Oops, I forgot. It is Hamas' published agenda to eradicate ALL Jews. ie commit genocide against them.

Oh well - same old same old.

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

It is easy to 'End Gaza’s Cycle of Suffering'.

Just tell Hamas, and all of the Palestinians supporting them, to stop killing, kidnapping, raping etc all Jews.

Oh, and hand over the remaining hostages and/or their bodies and arrest the murderers and rapists that invaded Israel.

 

Oops, I forgot. It is Hamas' published agenda to eradicate ALL Jews. ie commit genocide against them.

Oh well - same old same old.

What about the two-states solution that Netanyahu government rejected. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

What about the two-states solution that Netanyahu government rejected. 

Did Hamas accept it then? While they are still holding innocent hostages in tunnels including children?

[newbee2022]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nobody has claimed they would be forcibly removed, an impossibility anyway. Pointless making things up. 

Since when "voluntarily' means "forcibly" ????😳😳😳

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Having lived and worked in the region for many years I can assure you very few, if any, Middle Eastern countries welcome Palestinian refugees. One thing is for sure, the re-strucuring of Gaza needs a radical approach if further conflicts are to be avoided.

Having lived and worked in the region for many years I’d be surprised if any locals voiced their opinions in the matter to you.

 

Yes the restructuring needs to start with recognition of the Palestinian State.

 

That’s the internationally accepted solution.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, newbee2022 said:

Since when "voluntarily' means "forcibly" ????😳😳😳

Find a link to the claim then

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nobody has claimed they would be forcibly removed, an impossibility anyway. Pointless making things up. 

 

[mfd101]

49 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

55 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

The consensus is that nobody will take Palestinians. Gaza is a pile of rubble. they can stay and starve aa they produce nothing. 

That’s not the consensus.

So what is the alternative consensus? 2-state solution? That was all ready & agreed in the 70s but, at the last minute, Yasser Arafat couldn't bring himself to sign the piece of paper.

 

If there is a different consensus now, noone seems to have heard of it. Or if they have heard of it, noone wants to implement it, least of all any Arab state, not to mention the Palestinians themselves.

 

It's very difficult to negotiate with your opponent when killing them all has become your God-given mission.

 

 

[newbee2022]

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Find a link to the claim then

 

No explanation in it, sorry.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

No explanation in it, sorry.

Thats ok its a false claim so impossible to get a link to it anyway.

[Tropicalevo]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

What about the two-states solution that Netanyahu government rejected. 

 

You are missing the main point.

Hamas does not want peace until all Jews are dead. End of.

No matter what 'political' solution anyone comes up with, Hamas will carry on attacking, bombing, killing, raping. kidnapping Israelis.

Hamas will agree to any political solution at the moment, as they now need time to re-finance and re-arm.

As soon as they are ready - kill!

[Eric Loh]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did Hamas accept it then? While they are still holding innocent hostages in tunnels including children?

Did Israel stopped the establishment and expansion of illegal settlements in the Occupied West Bank which was the major challenge to the possibility of a two-state solution and may even prevented the Hamas attack on innocent Israelis. 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Did Israel stopped the establishment and expansion of illegal settlements in the Occupied West Bank which was the major challenge to the possibility of a two-state solution and may even prevented the Hamas attack on innocent Israelis. 

Be serious man. Hamas have never wanted an Israel state and never will do. Even in this latest ceasefire they have made their intentions known. Wipe it off the face of the earth.

 

The deadliest slaughter of Jews in a single day since the Holocaust was a “military accomplishment” and “a source of pride for our people… to be passed down from generation to generation,” al-Hayya said.

Hamas’s top negotiator in the ceasefire and hostage talks said despite suing for an end to the war, the group would continue to pursue Israel’s destruction, looking toward Jerusalem and the Al-Aqsa Mosque as a “compass.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-leader-touts-ceasefire-as-a-defeat-for-israel-while-hailing-oct-7-atrocities/

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Be serious man. Hamas have never wanted an Israel state and never will do. Even in this latest ceasefire they have made their intentions known. Wipe it off the face of the earth.

 

The deadliest slaughter of Jews in a single day since the Holocaust was a “military accomplishment” and “a source of pride for our people… to be passed down from generation to generation,” al-Hayya said.

Hamas’s top negotiator in the ceasefire and hostage talks said despite suing for an end to the war, the group would continue to pursue Israel’s destruction, looking toward Jerusalem and the Al-Aqsa Mosque as a “compass.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-leader-touts-ceasefire-as-a-defeat-for-israel-while-hailing-oct-7-atrocities/

It is true that Hamas opposed to the existence of Israel and wanted a state based on Islam. It has, however, softened their stance and has signalled its willingness to accept a state in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza and will renounced its claim to all of historic Palestine. Israel expansion of illegal settlements in occupied West Bank has complicated any potential for a two-state soluton. 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

It is true that Hamas opposed to the existence of Israel and wanted a state based on Islam. It has, however, softened their stance and has signalled its willingness to accept a state in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza and will renounced its claim to all of historic Palestine. Israel expansion of illegal settlements in occupied West Bank has complicated any potential for a two-state soluton. 

Rubbish, that statement I linked to is only a couple of weeks old.

 

Here's another Hamas leader:

 

Senior Hamas officer openly rejects two-state solution, calls for Israel’s demise

Mashal also acknowledged that Hamas was never an organization that would just govern Gaza after it came to power in 2007 but one that would destroy the Jewish state.

The Hamas leader said his group’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel, which claimed the lives of more than 1,200 people, mainly civilians, was a clear indicator that his group could do just that.

“I believe that the dream and the hope for Palestine from the river to the sea and from the north to the south has been renewed,” he said, referencing a chant that calls for the erasure of Israel. 

https://nypost.com/2024/01/22/news/senior-hamas-officer-openly-rejects-two-state-solution-calls-for-israels-demise/

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

3 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Sounds good to me. 

I think they should take Manhattan