4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

You want to slander every left leaning person like that and be taken seriously?? 

If you are saying it was inappropriate for Biden to shower with his daughter, I will apologize, but you won't. 

 

When I say the left, that does not include every left-leaning person. A lot of left leaning people voted for Trump, and I doubt any of them think it normal for men to shower with their daughters. 

4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

And you slander people on this forum and accuse them of wanting girls to be compelled to shower with men?

You should be reported and removed for such comments - it is beyond ridiculous. If you can't discuss politics without accusing people of being paedophiles then you should not be allowed to engage in discourse of any sort.

Did Chomper say he thinks girls should be compelled to shower with men? Can you link to the post please? If you can't then you should apologise as it is a horrendous thing to accuse someone of.

I never claimed Chomper said he thinks girls you be compelled to shower with men. You are a liar. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If you are saying it was inappropriate for Biden to shower with his daughter, I will apologize, but you won't. 

 

When I say the left, that does not include every left-leaning person. A lot of left leaning people voted for Trump, and I doubt any of them think it normal for men to shower with their daughters. 

Or to openly lust after their daughter like Trump did/does!

Show of hands, who here believe biological boys/men should be allowed in girls'/women's bathrooms, showers and sports? 

 

If you support Biden's Title IX changes, that's what you support.

 

If you oppose Trump's rescinding Biden's Title IX changes, that's what you support.

 

Pretty simple.

 

5 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Or to openly lust after their daughter like Trump did/does!

 

 

 

 

On 2/12/2025 at 9:30 AM, Yellowtail said:

You don't seem to be concerned with the girls you want compelled to shower with biological men that believe they are women. 

 

 

Okay, and why should the girls not be willing to shower with "biological men that believe they are women"?

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Okay, and why should the girls not be willing to shower with "biological men that believe they are women"?

I give up, why? Bourgeois Christian values that have to be crushed to make way for your Marxist utopia? 

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

14 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Okay, and why should the girls not be willing to shower with "biological men that believe they are women"?

I give up, why? Bourgeois Christian values that have to be crushed to make way for your Marxist utopia? 

So, you have no answer to that. Although I am not a proponent of any religion, why would you say it is associated with Christian values? The snake in the tree?

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

So, you have no answer to that. Although I am not a proponent of any religion, why would you say it is associated with Christian values? The snake in the tree?

I provided an answer, the girls' bourgeois Christian values. 

 

You know, the values you want crushed to make way for your Marxist utopia. 

 

Why do you think the girls do not want to shower with biological men?

 

Why do want to compel girls to shower with biological men?

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I provided an answer, the girls' bourgeois Christian values. 

 

You know, the values you want crushed to make way for your Marxist utopia. 

 

Why do you think the girls do not want to shower with biological men?

 

Why do want to compel girls to shower with biological men?

 

 

 

Okay, "bourgeois Christian values" maybe for some, but all of them are not Christian, and very few of them act on their "bourgeois Christian values."

And, since you evidently did not know, "bourgeois" is a construct of Karl Marx, but his (and the Christian) utopia has not yet happened. It's been undercut by selfish capitalism. 

I think girls do not want to shower with biological men because they have been taught that is not the correct thing to do.

I do not want to compel girls or anyone else to do anything. What I don't want to do is limit the opportunities for anyone in our society based on discrimination (think "DEI") 😉 


 

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Okay, "bourgeois Christian values" maybe for some, but all of them are not Christian, and very few of them act on their "bourgeois Christian values."

So? 

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

And, since you evidently did not know, "bourgeois" is a construct of Karl Marx, but his (and the Christian) utopia has not yet happened. It's been undercut by selfish capitalism. 

Why would you assume that? 

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I think girls do not want to shower with biological men because they have been taught that is not the correct thing to do.

And you, like Marx think they should be taught otherwise, yes? 

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I do not want to compel girls or anyone else to do anything. What I don't want to do is limit the opportunities for anyone in our society based on discrimination (think "DEI") 😉 

You want to mandate that biological men be permitted to shower with girls. 

 

Then you claim (wink wink nudge nudge) that you do not want to compel anyone to do anything.

 

So, the girls are not compelled to shower with the biological men you want put into their shower, because the girls can choose not to participate, which limits their opportunities, correct? 

42 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why would you assume that? 
Bourgeoisie | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica

And you, like Marx think they should be taught otherwise, yes? 
I don't really know, but I don't think Marx had anything to say about showering. But yes, I think we should not be taught to fear anyone because of their gender.
 

You want to mandate that biological men be permitted to shower with girls. 
I would like to see all genders and races, etc.,  allowed to shower together. If someone does not want to shower with a biological man, a Whte woman, etc., they shouldn't be forced to. They can choose not to shower.

 

Then you claim (wink wink nudge nudge) that you do not want to compel anyone to do anything.

Yes, I do not want to have to compel anyone to do anything they do not want to do. That doesn't mean everyone is allowed to do whatever they want, especially if it harms others. And, IMO, mixed-gender and mixed-age showers do not harm anyone.

So, the girls are not compelled to shower with the biological men you want put into their shower, because the girls can choose not to participate, which limits their opportunities, correct? 
Yes, if anyone does not want to shower in a public shower, then they have the right to refuse. Yes, their refusal does limit their opportuities. 

 

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

 

Why would you assume that? 
Bourgeoisie | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica

 

Why would you assume I did not know that? 

 

And you, like Marx think they should be taught otherwise, yes? 
I don't really know, but I don't think Marx had anything to say about showering. But yes, I think we should not be taught to fear anyone because of their gender.

 

What does fear have to do with it? 
 

You want to mandate that biological men be permitted to shower with girls. 
I would like to see all genders and races, etc.,  allowed to shower together. If someone does not want to shower with a biological man, a Whte woman, etc., they shouldn't be forced to. They can choose not to shower.

 

Why bring race into it? 

 

Then you claim (wink wink nudge nudge) that you do not want to compel anyone to do anything.

Yes, I do not want to have to compel anyone to do anything they do not want to do. That doesn't mean everyone is allowed to do whatever they want, especially if it harms others. And, IMO, mixed-gender and mixed-age showers do not harm anyone.

 

Yet you do not seem to care about the harm your policies have on people. You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet, yes? 

So, the girls are not compelled to shower with the biological men you want put into their shower, because the girls can choose not to participate, which limits their opportunities, correct? 
Yes, if anyone does not want to shower in a public shower, then they have the right to refuse. Yes, their refusal does limit their opportuities. 

 

We were not talking about public showers, we were talking about you wanting to make girls showers open to biological men. And your position is, that if the girls don't like it, too bad. 

32 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why would you assume that? 
Bourgeoisie | Definition, History, & Facts | Britannica

 

Why would you assume I did not know that? 

 

And you, like Marx think they should be taught otherwise, yes? 
I don't really know, but I don't think Marx had anything to say about showering. But yes, I think we should not be taught to fear anyone because of their gender.

 

What does fear have to do with it? 
 

You want to mandate that biological men be permitted to shower with girls. 
I would like to see all genders and races, etc.,  allowed to shower together. If someone does not want to shower with a biological man, a Whte woman, etc., they shouldn't be forced to. They can choose not to shower.

 

Why bring race into it? 

 

Then you claim (wink wink nudge nudge) that you do not want to compel anyone to do anything.

Yes, I do not want to have to compel anyone to do anything they do not want to do. That doesn't mean everyone is allowed to do whatever they want, especially if it harms others. And, IMO, mixed-gender and mixed-age showers do not harm anyone.

 

Yet you do not seem to care about the harm your policies have on people. You have to break a few eggs to make an omelet, yes? 

So, the girls are not compelled to shower with the biological men you want put into their shower, because the girls can choose not to participate, which limits their opportunities, correct? 
Yes, if anyone does not want to shower in a public shower, then they have the right to refuse. Yes, their refusal does limit their opportuities. 

 

We were not talking about public showers, we were talking about you wanting to make girls showers open to biological men. And your position is, that if the girls don't like it, too bad. 

I assume you did not know that because of your sarcastic remarks about Marx.

I think fear is the main reason many women do not want to either see or be seen naked by men.

Gender discrimination is the same as racial discrimination. It's assuming because people have different physical characteristics, they shouldn't have the same rights.

My recommendations are not policies or edicts. But, yes, you do have to curb the selfish tendencies of some individuals to ensure a beneficial society for all.

We are talking about public showers, those in schools, team dressing rooms, etc. Anyone can have a private shower in their home or other places.

 

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I assume you did not know that because of your sarcastic remarks about Marx.

Sarcastic? 

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I think fear is the main reason many women do not want to either see or be seen naked by men.

Why do you think that? 

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Gender discrimination is the same as racial discrimination. It's assuming because people have different physical characteristics, they shouldn't have the same rights.

Yet people can be whatever gender they decide to be, yes? 

 

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

My recommendations are not policies or edicts. But, yes, you do have to curb the selfish tendencies of some individuals to ensure a beneficial society for all.

Why is it not selfish on your part to impose your will on those you disagree with? 

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

We are talking about public showers, those in schools, team dressing rooms, etc. Anyone can have a private shower in their home or other places.

So, anyone should be able to walk in off the street and use the girls' shower, correct? 

25 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Sarcastic? 

Why do you think that? 

Yet people can be whatever gender they decide to be, yes? 

 

Why is it not selfish on your part to impose your will on those you disagree with? 

So, anyone should be able to walk in off the street and use the girls' shower, correct? 

Yes, sarcastic, or at least insulting.

I think women fear seeing or being seen naked by men. I'm not sure why. I assume they've been taught that men can't control their sexual urges and might rape them.

Yes, and not just gender, but the whole gamut of LGBTQIA+.

I am not imposing my will on anyone. I am suggesting alternatives to allowing some to impose their will on others.

Yes, anyone would be able to walk in off the street and use a public shower I a public school, sports dressing room, etc.. If it's a private shower in a private home, school, sports dressing room, then, no.

And rather then continue to argue with you about this one small aspect of the topic of this forum, I will just say that LGBT(QIA+) is NOT "OVER." It has been with us forever, and even if the rights of those who identify with it are being threatened now, those people will not ever go away.

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, sarcastic, or at least insulting.

I think women fear seeing or being seen naked by men. I'm not sure why. I assume they've been taught that men can't control their sexual urges and might rape them.

Yes, and not just gender, but the whole gamut of LGBTQIA+.

I am not imposing my will on anyone. I am suggesting alternatives to allowing some to impose their will on others.

Yes, anyone would be able to walk in off the street and use a public shower I a public school, sports dressing room, etc.. If it's a private shower in a private home, school, sports dressing room, then, no.

And rather then continue to argue with you about this one small aspect of the topic of this forum, I will just say that LGBT(QIA+) is NOT "OVER." It has been with us forever, and even if the rights of those who identify with it are being threatened now, those people will not ever go away.

 

 

What rights are being threatened? 

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

 

What rights are being threatened? 

The equal rights of all those who identify as LGBTQIA+.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

The equal rights of all those who identify as LGBTQIA+.

 

   What equals rights are those ?

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What equals rights are those ?

The right of biological men to shower with girls.

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The equal rights of all those who identify as LGBTQIA+.

 

   What equals rights are those ?

The right to be treated equally and to enjoy the same rights as everyone else.

Just now, WDSmart said:

The right to be treated equally and to enjoy the same rights as everyone else.

 

   In what way are they not being treated equally ?

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   In what way are they not being treated equally ?

The biological men are no longer allowed to shower with girls.

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   In what way are they not being treated equally ?

Those who identify as LGBTQIA+ are not treated the same way (equally) as other genders.

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Those who identify as LGBTQIA+ are not treated the same way (equally) as other genders.

For example? 

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

Those who identify as LGBTQIA+ are not treated the same way (equally) as other genders.

 

   You need to give examples of what you are talking about , rather than just keep repeating that its not fair and not equal  .

   Why is it not fair and not equal ?

  

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You need to give examples of what you are talking about , rather than just keep repeating that its not fair and not equal  .

   Why is it not fair and not equal ?

  

Biological men are no longer allowed to shower with girls.

 

That's all he has

12 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The right to be treated equally and to enjoy the same rights as everyone else.

 

   The LBTG mob seem to think that no rules or laws apply to them and they can do whatever they like .

   They seem to think that they can behave inappropriately and without being criticised "But I'm LTGB and you're a bigot" , if they don't get their own way 

Anybody who can't handle anybody is nothing but a simpering snowflake in my big wide world Book of Rules.

 

Ffs, some of you blokes must have lead a very sheltered narrow little life before you moved here. First response to the sight or sound of a gay or a trannie is to hop on a chair and start screaming. The very sight of an Indian gives some of you an instant case of Delhi belly... Anything that's not small town thinking gets you trembling.

 

Toughen up. Be a real man - of the world.

 

19 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

22 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Those who identify as LGBTQIA+ are not treated the same way (equally) as other genders.

For example? 

There are many, but returning to the popular example cited over and over again on this forum, they are not allowed to use the gender-specific shower facilities that corresponds to the gender with which they identify.