The temporal protection and declining health of the COVID-19 vaccinated in England

[Red Phoenix]

The pre-print of this Norwegian study by a team led by prof Jaarle Aarstad from the Western Norway University of Applied Sciences, is about to be peer-reviewed.

The title already says it all:

The temporal protection and declining health of the COVID-19 vaccinated in England: 

A 26-month comparison of the mortality involving and not involving COVID-19 among vaccinated vs. unvaccinated

 

But here the Study conclusions:

An interpretation is that vaccination, despite temporary protection, increased mortality. Strengthening the interpretation was relatively high mortality among vaccinated not involving COVID-19 counterintuitively following periods of excess mortality. Further strengthening the interpretation was relatively high mortality not involving COVID-19 among vaccinated corresponding with the excess mortality during the same period.

 

Source: https://f1000research.com/articles/14-133

 

[Jim Blue]

Fascinating stuff..........!

[Stiddle Mump]

Another interesting, but for me at least, difficult study to read. Maybe the translation skewed the sentences. Thanks to the diligent and tenacious Red.

 

Does the study has come from the angle that vaccinations, can be worthwhile?

 

I'm not keen on using computer modeling and estimating and visualising in these sort of studies. They start off from a hypothetical stance, and from then on it's basically vague and irrelevant. Nonsense even; in a scientific sense.

 

I find the reference #11 (The NIH in America) particularly irksome. They are either simply stupid, or compromised. There is no science behind their statements what-so-ever. It's money for old rope for these white-coat dunces.

 

IMO, the covid vax cannot help the recipient at all, and they have done nothing but harm.

[Celsius]

Trump seems to be doing ok

 

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-donald-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-74abcd4e6833835f5df445fe2142e22b

[Red Phoenix]

12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

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The study has come from the angle that vaccinations, can be worthwhile, and have done some 'short term' good. Although ultimately there is some estimation that the vaxxed have a higher mortality rate. I'm not keen on using computer modeling and estimating and visualising in these sort of studies. They start off from a hypothetical stance, and from then on it's basically vague and irrelevant. Nonsense even; in a scientific sense.

 

The main take-away for me and reason for posting this study is that it comes from a source that cannot be accused of 'anti-vax sentiments' but that it CONFIRMS that the vaccinated are now suffering more health-issues and higher mortality than the non-vaxxed. 

[Stiddle Mump]

38 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

The main take-away for me and reason for posting this study is that it comes from a source that cannot be accused of 'anti-vax sentiments' but that it CONFIRMS that the vaccinated are now suffering more health-issues and higher mortality than the non-vaxxed. 

Yes! I did change my line of thought as I read through the references.

 

I find the 'data' concerned with covid and the jabs so un-scientific. Computer modeling. Estimation. Visualisation etc. We also know that the causes of death during the covid era - in the UK at least - were falsified to reinforce the virus narrative.

 

What I am interested in personally is; 'Is it True'. Some of the references in the piece are utter nonsense. As I said; especially the NIH one. If rubbish can be referenced, it puts the integrity of the work in jeopardy.

 

 

 

[Ben Zioner]

23 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

The main take-away for me and reason for posting this study is that it comes from a source that cannot be accused of 'anti-vax sentiments' but that it CONFIRMS that the vaccinated are now suffering more health-issues and higher mortality than the non-vaxxed. 

Just glanced at it, but I have a question: does the study take into account tha age of those who got vaccinated? Because if if elderlies got more vaccinated than to young, I'd expect a higher mortality among the vaccinated, no?

[Red Phoenix]

5 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Just glanced at it, but I have a question: does the study take into account tha age of those who got vaccinated? Because if if elderlies got more vaccinated than to young, I'd expect a higher mortality among the vaccinated, no?

Yes, the team that compiled the study used age-standardized mortality probabilities among vaccinated and unvaccinated ten years and older, as explained in the paper.

[Stiddle Mump]

21 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Just glanced at it, but I have a question: does the study take into account tha age of those who got vaccinated? Because if if elderlies got more vaccinated than to young, I'd expect a higher mortality among the vaccinated, no?

The vulnerable, the health-compromised and the elderly were the very people who should not have taken the covid jab. Under any circumstances.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Another as yet non-peer reviewed article by a fringe scientist when it comes to COVID related research...

 

Meanwhile, on the subject:

 

Fact Check: No evidence to link UK excess deaths to COVID-19 vaccines

By Reuters Fact Check

February 7, 2024

...

" For example, ONS data show all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated than those who had received at least one dose, for every month in its April 2021 to May 2023 dataset." [emphasis added, that timeframe being the exact same as the one used in the OP article]

...

 

Citing a CMI report, it pointed out that excess deaths in England were highest in young (20-44) and middle-aged (45-64) adults.

 

“That shows you that it is the younger groups that are experiencing the highest level of excess deaths,” McDonald told Reuters in a phone interview. “So, it is the groups that are least vaccinated. The older groups, where vaccine uptake was higher and where boosters have been given more frequently, are experiencing less excess deaths in relative terms.

 

“There is no robust scientific evidence that gives even a vague suggestion of the vaccines causing more harm than they are preventing. They have unequivocally, based on all that I have seen, caused an enormous harm reduction.”

 

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-excess-deaths-covid-19-vaccines-2024-02-06/

 

[Samh]

40 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

Just glanced at it, but I have a question: does the study take into account tha age of those who got vaccinated? Because if if elderlies got more vaccinated than to young, I'd expect a higher mortality among the vaccinated, no?

My thought. There were probably very few older people who weren't vaccinated given the very high risk of covid in the UK.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And further on the same:

 

COVID-19 vaccines lowered excess deaths during the pandemic, contrary to headline by the Daily Telegraph

07 Jun 2024

 

...

The evidence shows that COVID-19 vaccines saved lives, reducing excess deaths

As explained in a previous Science Feedback review, studies have shown that higher vaccination rates correlate with lower excess mortality across countries and U.S. states^[9,10].

Conclusion

"The available evidence shows that COVID-19 vaccines saved millions of lives. Although many countries experienced excess deaths up to 2022, this total would have been far higher without the vaccine rollout. The widespread disruptions and long-term health impacts caused by the pandemic are likely to have contributed to the lingering trend of excess deaths even after the risk from COVID-19 receded."

 

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid19-vaccines-lowered-excess-deaths-during-pandemic-contrary-headline-the-daily-telegraph/

 

 

[Samh]

27 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The vulnerable, the health-compromised and the elderly were the very people who should not have taken the covid jab. Under any circumstances.

So covid was no risk at all. Why were so many infected with covid dropping dead?

[Stiddle Mump]

24 minutes ago, Samh said:

So covid was no risk at all. Why were so many infected with covid dropping dead?

Correct Sir. Covid was no risk to anyone. Driven by vested interests early on. The blanket lockstep narrative. Then fraudulent PCR testing.

 

Where were there people dropping dead? Hospitals were generally empty.

 

All utter nonsense. Too much television for many. Too many sheep out there.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The nonsense factor here is strong, as it is among most of the OP's incessant threads with his typically debunked, non-credible anti-vaxer reports of the supposed failings of COVID vaccines.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

 

https://archive.ph/FBibu

 

[Stiddle Mump]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

https://archive.ph/FBibu

 

Estimated, computer generated nonsense.

[Samh]

25 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Correct Sir. Covid was no risk to anyone. Driven by vested interests early on. The blanket lockstep narrative. Then fraudulent PCR testing.

 

Where were there people dropping dead? Hospitals were generally empty.

 

All utter nonsense. Too much television for many. Too many sheep out there.

 

So the statistics of the dead and dieing were false. In the UK all the NHS staff reporting the crisis were lying. The offices reporting and certifying deaths were lying. All the members of the public reporting the deaths of loved ones were lying. My own son who was infected made up that he was ill. Some cover up.

[Lacessit]

40 minutes ago, Samh said:

So the statistics of the dead and dieing were false. In the UK all the NHS staff reporting the crisis were lying. The offices reporting and certifying deaths were lying. All the members of the public reporting the deaths of loved ones were lying. My own son who was infected made up that he was ill. Some cover up.

Don't waste your time. You are arguing with an idiot, and a liar.

 

An idiot, because he/she/it denies viruses exist.

 

A liar, because ICU's during the pandemic were full of mostly unvaccinated COVID patients, displacing non - COVID patients.

[Samh]

24 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

A liar, because ICU's during the pandemic were full of mostly unvaccinated COVID patients, displacing non - COVID patients.

Exactly. These people probably also believe the Earth is flat.

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

https://archive.ph/FBibu

 

 

I don't deny that the Scamdemic did result in millions of deaths. 

But I vehemently oppose the narrative to whitewash the response by the lame excuse that 'it would have been worse' if we - Public Health and other authorities - had not:

- limited travel and meetings;

- imposed masks;

- imposed asocial distancing;

- closed small businesses;

- imposed the ridiculous PCR-testing;

- etc. etc.

The deadliest measure being the roll-out of the experimental Covid-19 gen-therapies, that have proven beyond refute now that they were neither safe nor effective, and actually not necessary. 

[cjinchiangrai]

Try again after the review. It is just a proposed paper and unverified.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

30 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Try again after the review. It is just a proposed paper and unverified.

 

It's from a fringe researcher with no credentials in public health, epidemiology, medical issues,  etc etc...

 

The author here is actually a professor, not surprisingly, at his university's business school, which isn't exactly where you'd expect COVID-related research on mortality trends to be occurring.

 

https://www.hvl.no/en/employee/?user=Jarle.Aarstad

 

 

And, the claims of his paper re the UK have been contradicted by the UK government's own reporting.

 

"By Reuters Fact Check

February 7, 2024

...

" For example, ONS data show all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated than those who had received at least one dose, for every month in its April 2021 to May 2023 dataset." [emphasis added, that timeframe being the exact same as the one used in the OP article]"

 

These days, especially with issues related to COVID, peer review alone doesn't necessarily mean much.

 

The anti-vax community has even set up their own professional sounding named journal run and overseen by anti-vaxers and anti-vax peer reviewers.  So when their nonsense articles are refused by or eventually retracted by normally reasonably credible journals, they'll simply shop the same article or a similar version to a different journal hoping to get reviewers who aren't knowledgeable in the field, or ultimately go to their own anti-vax journal if all else fails.

 

[cjinchiangrai]

19 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It's from a fringe researcher with no credentials in public health, epidemiology, medical issues,  etc etc...

 

And, the claims of his paper re the UK have been contradicted by the UK government's own reporting.

 

"By Reuters Fact Check

February 7, 2024

...

" For example, ONS data show all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated than those who had received at least one dose, for every month in its April 2021 to May 2023 dataset." [emphasis added, that timeframe being the exact same as the one used in the OP article]"

 

These days, especially with issues related to COVID, peer review alone doesn't necessarily mean much.

 

The anti-vax community has even set up their own journal run and overseen by anti-vaxers and anti-vax peer reviewers.  So when their nonsense articles are refused by or eventually retracted by normally reasonably credible journals, they'll simply shop the same article or a similar version to a different journal hoping to get reviewers who aren't knowledgeable in the field, or ultimately go to their own professional name sounding anti-vax journal if all else fails.

In the long term, anti-vaxxers will be self limiting. I just hope the morons do not screw the rest of us in the short term.

[Lacessit]

47 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

In the long term, anti-vaxxers will be self limiting. I just hope the morons do not screw the rest of us in the short term.

Disagree. The death rate from COVID was far too low.

 

What we really need is a virus with a 90% death rate, and a mRNA vaccine for it all the anti-vaxxers refuse.

[Red Phoenix]

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

In the long term, anti-vaxxers will be self limiting. I just hope the morons do not screw the rest of us in the short term.

Looks like there is a bit too much spike-protein in your crystal ball to make accurate projections...

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Looks like there is a bit too much spike-protein in your crystal ball to make accurate projections...

You could see more clearly by taking off the red hat.

[Stiddle Mump]

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

In the long term, anti-vaxxers will be self limiting. I just hope the morons do not screw the rest of us in the short term.

In the not too distant future the unvaxxed people's sperm will be worth its weight in gold. Maybe also blood as well.

 

What woman in her right mind will conceive to a covid vaxxed guy?

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

In the not too distant future the unvaxxed people's sperm will be worth its weight in gold. Maybe also blood as well.

 

What woman in her right mind will conceive to a covid vaxxed guy?

That would be women in their right mind, not Qanuts.

[Stiddle Mump]

6 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Another as yet non-peer reviewed article by a fringe scientist when it comes to COVID related research...

 

Meanwhile, on the subject:

 

Fact Check: No evidence to link UK excess deaths to COVID-19 vaccines

By Reuters Fact Check

February 7, 2024

...

" For example, ONS data show all-cause deaths in England were higher among the unvaccinated than those who had received at least one dose, for every month in its April 2021 to May 2023 dataset." [emphasis added, that timeframe being the exact same as the one used in the OP article]

...

 

Citing a CMI report, it pointed out that excess deaths in England were highest in young (20-44) and middle-aged (45-64) adults.

 

“That shows you that it is the younger groups that are experiencing the highest level of excess deaths,” McDonald told Reuters in a phone interview. “So, it is the groups that are least vaccinated. The older groups, where vaccine uptake was higher and where boosters have been given more frequently, are experiencing less excess deaths in relative terms.

 

“There is no robust scientific evidence that gives even a vague suggestion of the vaccines causing more harm than they are preventing. They have unequivocally, based on all that I have seen, caused an enormous harm reduction.”

 

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-link-uk-excess-deaths-covid-19-vaccines-2024-02-06/

 

Why are you even entertaining these biased 'fact-checkers'?

 

Why don't you take note of people that actually know what they are talking about?