Russian Airline Flight Makes Emergency Landing at BKK After Circling for 3 Hours

[realfunster]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

There is no way of knowing what condition the aircraft was in, as Russia is cannibalizing Boeing and Airbus aircraft to keep flying.

 

IIRC the Aeroflot fleet has shrunk from 700 passenger jets to 400.

 

I hadn't really considered restrictions on aircraft parts/maintenance as part of the wider Ukraine related sanctions.

 

You might reasonably think that is an accident just waiting to happen....

[lordgrinz]

I understand sanctions, but putting everyone in the skies life in danger doesn't sound like a good idea. I doubt they are going to get rich with their airlines anyway, even the West can't do that without government intervention.

[twizzian]

Aeroflop had been dogged with aircraft issues for decades, has anything changed.

I’ll never fly on one of those bucket of bolts ever again

[ChipButty]

3 hours ago, NatureFilm said:

Flying with russian airlines is "Russian Roulett"

you should see the flight hostess, in their red uniforms, 

[billd766]

4 hours ago, Bannoi said:

I wonder if sanctions leading to poor maintenance had anything to do with it.

Quite possibly.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Moriarty said:

Someone probably missed the nose gear pin pre departure . Why not jettison fuel rather than fly around for 3 hours ? 😳

Bad idea. Why pollute the ocean when the SOP is to burn the fuel off rather than dump it?

[bamnutsak]

I think these 777's were leased from an Irish firm, then Russia seized them and was forced to operate them inside Russia or to accommodating countries.

 

Aeroflot finally purchased these ten 777's from the leasing firm in early 2023.

 

 I think they are using some airframes (777 and A350) for parts.

 

On a Thai aviation FB page there was mention of an issue with the landing gear not fully retracting.

 

 

 

 

[Toby1947]

Sanctions kicking in obviously can't get the spares. Scary times to fly for Russians. 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, PomPolo said:

Would have been a win win they would have been too scared to fly back to Phuket again

I think the runway ay Suvarnabhumi is longer and the crash crews are bigger and more practised than at Phuket which makes the PAN call easier. I also suspect that the crew called head office in Russia for instructions.

[Hakuna Matata]

4 hours ago, milesinnz said:

I wonder if Thai maintenance will break sanctions to repair the plane - the US will have read this news as well 😉 ...

 

Forget about sanctions. This is not Biden era any more. Sanctions on Russia will be lifted very soon.

[Woke to Sounds]

17 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Bad idea. Why pollute the ocean when the SOP is to burn the fuel off rather than dump it?

 

At this stage what does more pollution in Thailand matter?

 

No one's breathing clean air till June anyhow.

[pete43]

4 hours ago, milesinnz said:

I wonder if Thai maintenance will break sanctions to repair the plane - the US will have read this news as well 😉 ...

Will the true owners try and reclaim their stolen goods??

[pete43]

44 minutes ago, lordgrinz said:

I understand sanctions, but putting everyone in the skies life in danger doesn't sound like a good idea. I doubt they are going to get rich with their airlines anyway, even the West can't do that without government intervention.

Nothing to do with sanctions. Russian maintenance is shoddy at best, regardless of sanctions.

[pete43]

I wonder if the owners will try and reclaim their stolen aircraft?

[JoseThailand]

3 hours ago, digger70 said:

So  You Say,   

 

FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) requires fuel dumping systems on airplanes where the maximum takeoff weight is significantly higher than the maximum landing weight, meaning that in certain situations, an aircraft might need to jettison fuel mid-flight to reach a safe landing weight, making fuel dumping systems necessary on many large commercial airplanes; however, smaller aircraft designed for shorter flights may not have fuel dumping capabilities. 

Key points about fuel dumping systems:

Purpose:

To allow an aircraft to quickly release fuel in flight to reduce its weight when necessary for a safe landing, typically in emergency situations requiring a return to the departure airport. 

Regulation:

The FAA mandates fuel dumping systems on aircraft where the ratio between maximum takeoff weight and maximum landing weight exceeds a certain limit. 

Not all planes have them:

Smaller aircraft designed for shorter flights often do not have fuel dumping systems as they may not reach a weight requiring fuel jettisoning. 

 

Russian airlines don't need to conform with FAA requirements

[iLuvThai]

I'm curious if the flight landed safely because even though the front landing gear didn't retract properly but probably went into landing mode without issue, which then makes me wonder if it took 3 hours to decide which airport they should land at. 

[JoseThailand]

3 hours ago, gravity101 said:

All 777s like this one will have dump capabilities though.

 

It depends on the configuration

[Lacessit]

21 minutes ago, Hakuna Matata said:

 

Forget about sanctions. This is not Biden era any more. Sanctions on Russia will be lifted very soon.

Now why would Trump lift the sanctions, when America is selling oil and LPG into Europe like never before?

 

America is not the only country with sanctions on Russia.

 

Wishful thinking.

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, JoseThailand said:

 

Russian airlines don't need to conform with FAA requirements

Which is why anyone flying with a Russian airline is taking a bigger risk.

[Kaopad999]

These plane crashes and emergency landings have gotten out of hand recenlty. 

[Chongalulu]

4 hours ago, Moriarty said:

Someone probably missed the nose gear pin pre departure . Why not jettison fuel rather than fly around for 3 hours ? 😳

Exactly,locals on the ground could try to catch it..

[Patong2021]

4 hours ago, digger70 said:

Russian Airline Flight Makes Emergency Landing at BKK After Circling for 3 Hours 

 

Why  not Dumping Fuel .

It's was classed as an Emergency , They are Allowed to dump their Fuel 

 

Pretty Stupid to Fly around for3 Hrs  they knew what the problem was.  

 

Yes, pilots in Thailand, like pilots worldwide, will still dump fuel before an emergency landing if necessary to reduce the aircraft's weight and ensure a safer landing, following standard aviation procedures; this practice is especially important when the situation requires a landing at a smaller airport or if there are concerns about the runway length due to the aircraft's weight. 

Key points about fuel dumping in emergency landings:

Safety measure:

Dumping fuel is a crucial safety measure that allows pilots to land an aircraft at a lighter weight, potentially preventing damage to the aircraft and minimizing the risk of injury in an emergency situation. 

Coordination with ATC:

Pilots must coordinate with air traffic control (ATC) to ensure they dump fuel in designated areas, typically over water or sparsely populated regions. 

Decision based on situation:

The decision to dump fuel is based on the specific emergency situation, the aircraft's weight, and the available runway length. 

 

Airlines don't just dump fuel. It's expensive.  Prior to  reducing the fuel load, the pilots will run through their checklists and  communicate with their command center. Unless it is an emergency, they will take the time to try and work it out. Then, they will consider a fuel dump. The aircraft must be positioned to allow a safe dump.  The B777-300 ER can remove fuel at a rate of 2500kg per minute. This would mean that at least an hour would be needed to  work through the full fuel load.  There would also need to be  measures taken on the ground to be set up for the  aircraft. A broken landing gear can result in a crash that closes runways, so the airport was most likely trying to clear as many flights  to minimize a disruption if a runway was closed.

Also, the airline may have been reluctant to cancel the flight. It is expensive to put a full plane  up in hotels and a lot of hotels want money up front from Russia first. The Russian government is notorious for late payment and trying to negotiate discounts after the fact. Even the best airlines need time to arrange for the arrival of hundreds of angry pax. Immigration would have been needed to be alerted and on standby.

 

 

2 hours ago, Woke to Sounds of Horking said:

Kudos to the brave pilots for making the call.

Another example of a 777 with technical issues. Maybe too much DEI woke hiring going on at Boeing the last few years?

I only fly Airbus or Bombardier.

 

What technical issues? This is unlikely to be anything related to the B777. Rather it is most likely maintenance and a failure to replace parts. DEI has nothing to do with this as the aircraft has been in operation for 6 years. If there had been a defect, it would have been identified by now, because the aircraft would have undergone a  heavy maintenance inspection at 18-24 months.

 

2 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

That the aircraft was a Boeing had everything to do with it.

 

Not at all. How many B777 have you inspected?  What is the history of lanfing gear defects on the B777? Heroux Devtek which manufactured the landing gear has one of the best  quality assurance records in the industry.

 

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Bad idea. Why pollute the ocean when the SOP is to burn the fuel off rather than dump it?

 

Fuel dumps are intended to allow for evaporation.

[ChaiyaTH]

4 hours ago, digger70 said:

Russian Airline Flight Makes Emergency Landing at BKK After Circling for 3 Hours 

 

Why  not Dumping Fuel .

It's was classed as an Emergency , They are Allowed to dump their Fuel 

 

Pretty Stupid to Fly around for3 Hrs  they knew what the problem was.  

Only when there is a rush that is done. Any landing that is not the destination airport is a 'emergency landing'.

[Baba Naba]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Bad idea. Why pollute the ocean when the SOP is to burn the fuel off rather than dump it?

The fuel never reaches the ocean! It evaporates! 🙄

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, milesinnz said:

I wonder if Thai maintenance will break sanctions to repair the plane - the US will have read this news as well 😉 ...

Thailand is not subject to follow any sanctions put in place by the US or Europe on other countries.

[Tanya Shearn]

MH17 , July17 th 2014 ,

Russians killed 283 passengers and 15 crew members 

[Liverpool Lou]

5 hours ago, Moriarty said:

Someone probably missed the nose gear pin pre departure . Why not jettison fuel rather than fly around for 3 hours ? 😳

Dumping fuel, as opposed to burning it off, is a last resort only for emergency landing situations.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Thailand allowing this aircraft to enter Thailand airspace is a threat to its national security. 

Cobblers, there are no restrictions on Russian aircraft entering Thailand.

[ujayujay]

5 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Very doubtful

Nonsense! Never heard of the IATA? No aircraft can be operated without the approval of this authority. This applies to all service providers in aviation!

[Xonax]

6 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

the flight developed a technical fault involving its front landing gear, which failed to retract properly. As a safety measure, the aircraft needed to perform an emergency landing

Why not perform the safety landing in Moscow instead of circling over Thailand for many hours before landing in Bangkok?