Why China will prevail over the US in this crazy world of Trump 2.0

[cjinchiangrai]

31 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Iam pro KKK and nazi.. nowt wrong with fourth reich but USA will always be top of the pile.

 

Not with Trump in charge. He is an illiterate moron.

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Centigrade32 said:

 

Biggest economy..... but how is the quality of life? People concentrate only on imagined figures and forget about quality of life. Which is why many of you have ended up in Thailand praising the local women and hating on your own.

 

 

In my opinion the quality of life is very low, it has gotten lower as the years have progressed, and it's likely the lowest that it's ever been, if you take into account purchasing power and if you're not super wealthy. 

 

If you own your home free and clear, and you're living in a nice suburban or rural area, life can be of a decent caliber. Not great. But OK. 

 

I wouldn't trade my life here for a life back there, unless I was earning $3 million a year, and I would only do that for 2 years. 

[John Drake]

China has the advantage of a mostly homogenous population. They've also had the US and the West give them the keys to the cookie jar for the past 30 to 35 years. And the Chinese population enjoys a high IQ, is disciplined, and geared towards being competitive. I dislike their government. But do not sell them short. Except for the tip top elite they don't suffer from a sense of entitlement--and they will not be charitable and kind when victorious. But it's not Trump that has put the US at a disadvantage. That started a long time ago. Trump didn't create a public school system that resembles a mental asylum. He didn't incentivize shipping American businesses to China and flooding them with American FDI. He didn't push China into the WTO naively thinking that they would become just another game piece in the New World Order. And most of all, while China was building up its infrastructure, military, technical capability, and educational competitiveness, the US allowed trillions and trillions of dollars to be drained into Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere in the Middle East and Central Asia. That wasn't Trump. That was primarily the Bushes and the Clintons, with Obama and Biden along for the ride.

[John Drake]

3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

China buys 7.3% of US exports

US buys 14.8% of Chinese exports.

 

China needs US more than vice versa

 

That depends. What do they export to us? And what do we export to them? If we send them pork, oil seeds, cardboard boxes, uncut timber, and other natural resources, while getting back rare earths, drone components, pharma ingredients, machinery, and electronics, that means we, the USA, are in more of a colonial mercantile relationship with a "mother" country than an equitable trading system. We are dependent. They can get soybeans, corn, timber, meats, and other raw goods elsewhere. We can't replace what they make. Thank you, Bushes and Clintons.

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Not with Trump in charge. He is an illiterate moron.

And yet he is doing a great job.

[lom]

3 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

China needs the money

Thanks god the US don't and can just print some more of it.

[OneMoreFarang]

11 minutes ago, lom said:

Thanks god the US don't and can just print some more of it.

Somehow, I am sure that is what Trump "thinks". 

[Mike_Hunt]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

China will not only win this trade war, they will kick the US in the butt. Just another example of simpletons under estimating them, and diminishing not only the US economy, but it's remaining influence. And in the process dramatically overestimating the importance and the influence of the US on the rest of the world.

 

There is no question America is not the country that it once was, and that the entire planet is infinitely less dependent on them than they used to be.

 

Which is a good thing for the planet, but a terrible thing for the very simplistic president of the US. 

 

He has never won a trade war with Xi, and he was outsmarted in every negotiation with Kim, Putin and MBS. Trump is an absolutely terrible negotiator. 

 

https://youtu.be/HO7mt7d9Zp8?si=-LgZ__a835aIKdel

 

What is wrong with you?

[alex8912]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

In my opinion the quality of life is very low, it has gotten lower as the years have progressed, and it's likely the lowest that it's ever been, if you take into account purchasing power and if you're not super wealthy. 

 

If you own your home free and clear, and you're living in a nice suburban or rural area, life can be of a decent caliber. Not great. But OK. 

 

I wouldn't trade my life here for a life back there, unless I was earning $3 million a year, and I would only do that for 2 years. 

You certainly don't speak for 350 million Americans. So stop pretending to. Take a long needed rest and enjoy Thailand. Relax. There is life off the forum. A lot of it.  

[bannork]

 

Move over USA.

Chinese officials have already informed Nepal’s government — a strategically significant country for Beijing, located on the southern slopes of the Himalayas between India and China — that China is ready to replace USAID programs with its own development projects.

Meanwhile, a delegation from the Cook Islands, a Pacific archipelago, led by Prime Minister Mark Brown, will visit China this week to sign an agreement on deepening trade and economic cooperation, including increased Chinese investment in the nation’s infrastructure.

In Colombia, non-governmental organizations report that China is showing interest in stepping in to replace USAID programs that were frozen. Last year, Colombia received approximately $385 million from USAID.

These moves indicate China’s intent to capitalize on the situation and quickly expand its influence in regions crucial to its global ambitions, potentially displacing the United States from key strategic areas.

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[Gottfrid]

5 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Because he was not bad last time.

Ok, but please tell what he achieved the last tenure, except hiding a lot of classified documents at Mar a Lago

[Yagoda]

5 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Says a liberal Trump hater. If Trump was so bad last time why did he win last year? Because he was not bad last time.

Not just a liberal Trump hater. One of the most prominent anti americans here. Consider his irrational and overwhelming hatred of the USA when reading his posts.

[Yagoda]

13 minutes ago, bannork said:

 

Move over USA.

Chinese officials have already informed Nepal’s government — a strategically significant country for Beijing, located on the southern slopes of the Himalayas between India and China — that China is ready to replace USAID programs with its own development projects.

Meanwhile, a delegation from the Cook Islands, a Pacific archipelago, led by Prime Minister Mark Brown, will visit China this week to sign an agreement on deepening trade and economic cooperation, including increased Chinese investment in the nation’s infrastructure.

In Colombia, non-governmental organizations report that China is showing interest in stepping in to replace USAID programs that were frozen. Last year, Colombia received approximately $385 million from USAID.

These moves indicate China’s intent to capitalize on the situation and quickly expand its influence in regions crucial to its global ambitions, potentially displacing the United States from key strategic areas.

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Wow, Nepal and the Cook Islands. We should just surrender now.

 

Food and humanintarian AID isnt stopping, only the diversion of taxpayer funds to line the pockets of the enemy.

 

 

[TedG]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Kind of a typical response of a Trump supporter, it's the old Bush Jr. Doctrine, you're either with us or you're against us, everything's black and white and there is no gray area, no nuance, no room for discussion, no debate.

 

We are the best, we are number one, we always have been, and we always will be. 

 

 

 

 Your post is typical of the brain dead left. When you lefites lose an election you cry like babies and the world is going to end   

[scottiejohn]

38 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Somehow, I am sure that is what Trump "thinks". 

Isn't that stretching Trump's imagination somewhat to say that he "thinks"?

[OneMoreFarang]

Just now, scottiejohn said:

Isn't that stretching Trump's imagination somewhat to say that he "thinks"?

I guess he "brain farts" would be a better term.

[scottiejohn]

1 minute ago, TedG said:

 

 Your post is typical of the brain dead left. When you lefites lose an election you cry like babies and the world is going to end   

Why are those opposed to Trump (but not opposed to the Republican Party) classified by MAGAlomaniacs as left wing and socialists?

[TedG]

Just now, scottiejohn said:

Why are those opposed to Trump (but not opposed to the Republican Party) classified by MAGAlomaniacs as left wing and socialists?

 

I have no idea that you are talking about.   

[TedG]

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

That depends. What do they export to us? And what do we export to them? If we send them pork, oil seeds, cardboard boxes, uncut timber, and other natural resources, while getting back rare earths, drone components, pharma ingredients, machinery, and electronics, that means we, the USA, are in more of a colonial mercantile relationship with a "mother" country than an equitable trading system. We are dependent. They can get soybeans, corn, timber, meats, and other raw goods elsewhere. We can't replace what they make. Thank you, Bushes and Clintons.

Did’nt Clinton tell us the servcie ecomony was going to be great?

[scottiejohn]

21 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Not just a liberal Trump hater. One of the most prominent anti americans here. Consider his irrational and overwhelming hatred of the USA when reading his posts.

Being a Trump hater does not mean that people hate the USA.  The hint is in the word TRUMP!

[scottiejohn]

13 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

I have no idea that you are talking about.   

Typical!

[Mike_Hunt]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

While I do agree with some of those points, personally I think the US is in a lot of trouble on a lot of levels, most of which is simply not acknowledged by relatively simple minded, propagandist chest pounders like Trump. 

Dude, you are not the genius you think you are.  People like you lack depth.  

 

Let's have a discussion.  How is the US in trouble?   

[NoDisplayName]

6 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Says a liberal Trump hater. If Trump was so bad last time why did he win last year? Because he was not bad last time.

 

He didn't so much win, it was that the other side lost....bigly.

 

But who didn't see that coming?  She was second to last in the 2020 primaries, dropping out before Iowa, thus not being burdened by what could be delegates.

 

I mean, like, c'mon, man!  DEI token hire lost to Biden along with every other potential candidate except some guy I don't remember from some flyover state nobody cares about.

[Mike_Hunt]

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

China has the advantage of a mostly homogenous population. They've also had the US and the West give them the keys to the cookie jar for the past 30 to 35 years. And the Chinese population enjoys a high IQ, is disciplined, and geared towards being competitive. I dislike their government. But do not sell them short. Except for the tip top elite they don't suffer from a sense of entitlement--and they will not be charitable and kind when victorious. But it's not Trump that has put the US at a disadvantage. That started a long time ago. Trump didn't create a public school system that resembles a mental asylum. He didn't incentivize shipping American businesses to China and flooding them with American FDI. He didn't push China into the WTO naively thinking that they would become just another game piece in the New World Order. And most of all, while China was building up its infrastructure, military, technical capability, and educational competitiveness, the US allowed trillions and trillions of dollars to be drained into Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere in the Middle East and Central Asia. That wasn't Trump. That was primarily the Bushes and the Clintons, with Obama and Biden along for the ride.

 

This is the most insightful post in this thread.

[TedG]

12 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Typical!

 

OK

[Harrisfan]

44 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

 Your post is typical of the brain dead left. When you lefites lose an election you cry like babies and the world is going to end   

Trump was supposed to be jailed 6 months ago. Now the world will end. Endless drama from the left. They have forgotten the climate crisis for a while.

[Harrisfan]

22 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

He didn't so much win, it was that the other side lost....bigly.

 

But who didn't see that coming?  She was second to last in the 2020 primaries, dropping out before Iowa, thus not being burdened by what could be delegates.

 

I mean, like, c'mon, man!  DEI token hire lost to Biden along with every other potential candidate except some guy I don't remember from some flyover state nobody cares about.

That is what always happens. The incumbent wins unless there is a major stuff up. 

[placnx]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

China will not only win this trade war, they will kick the US in the butt. Just another example of simpletons under estimating them, and diminishing not only the US economy, but it's remaining influence. And in the process dramatically overestimating the importance and the influence of the US on the rest of the world.

 

There is no question America is not the country that it once was, and that the entire planet is infinitely less dependent on them than they used to be.

 

Which is a good thing for the planet, but a terrible thing for the very simplistic president of the US. 

 

He has never won a trade war with Xi, and he was outsmarted in every negotiation with Kim, Putin and MBS. Trump is an absolutely terrible negotiator. 

 

https://youtu.be/HO7mt7d9Zp8?si=-LgZ__a835aIKdel

 

I agree that it's unlikely that Trump will do any better with China than last time. That said, it's Clinton's fault for getting China into the WTO. And of course, the resultiong China shock was one of the reasons for Trump's success in getting elected. (Another reason was Obama's ham-fisted mismanagement of the mortgage debacle).

 

We should have set up a different trade regime for countries like China, with a lot of SOEs (state-owned enterprises). Hopefully working in tandem with the EU, dividing up airplane sales between Boeing and Airbus. My idea was rather diabolical - licensing factories to export to the US with approvals based on a point system, so the highest ranking applications would be approved first, and licenses would last for 3 years from the date of application. We could speed up or slow the approval process depending on China's behavior - a bit murky like working with Chinese bureaucracy. The worst applicants might end up not having their applications reviewed before they would have to start all over again.

[Centigrade32]

3 hours ago, John Drake said:

China has the advantage of a mostly homogenous population. They've also had the US and the West give them the keys to the cookie jar for the past 30 to 35 years. And the Chinese population enjoys a high IQ, is disciplined, and geared towards being competitive. I dislike their government. But do not sell them short. Except for the tip top elite they don't suffer from a sense of entitlement--and they will not be charitable and kind when victorious. But it's not Trump that has put the US at a disadvantage. That started a long time ago. Trump didn't create a public school system that resembles a mental asylum. He didn't incentivize shipping American businesses to China and flooding them with American FDI. He didn't push China into the WTO naively thinking that they would become just another game piece in the New World Order. And most of all, while China was building up its infrastructure, military, technical capability, and educational competitiveness, the US allowed trillions and trillions of dollars to be drained into Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere in the Middle East and Central Asia. That wasn't Trump. That was primarily the Bushes and the Clintons, with Obama and Biden along for the ride.

 

The American people are so easily hoodwinked, as are so many others all around the world.

 

[Centigrade32]

4 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

You don't want to have a discussion, you want to shut down discussion.

 

You asked what he achieved, and when shown, of course, your response was "I don't want to see what he achieved".

 

If your technique of choice for beginning a discussion is to ask a question, then when given the answer, you refuse to look at it, a discussion is unlikely to take place. But then, you already know that.

 

I'm sorry your attempt at derailing/silencing me was unsuccessful. I hope you have more luck elsewhere.

 

 

This is a discussion board. We discuss views and opinions. I can find links myself, but I cannot discuss them with myself. So what did you add to the conversation?

You'll get the hang of it....eventually. Don't get involved in discussing subjects if you don't know anything about them. Better to just listen and take note.