Solutions Sought for Dealing with Unruly Tourists in Mae Hong Son

[Nick Carter icp]

I wonder whether the foreigners in Pai who don't like Israelis and complained about them, wonder whether they are now happy with the clampdowns and the RTP taking a big interest in Pai 

[wensiensheng]

31 minutes ago, Joe32 said:

You don't hang out in traffic here too much, do you? From what I see, the majority who's being pulled over by the police is still mostly Thai. Instead of your whataboutism, how about just wearing a helmet so there's no reason to be pulled over. 

At the traffic stop near me, on a daily basis farang are pulled over, helmet or no helmet. The police catch a lot of people who don’t have an actual motorbike licence. Of course, if no helmet then for sure a farang is stopped. Rarely do I see Thais pulled over although in low season it does happen occasionally.

 

So, wear a helmet and have the right licence. Then when you are pulled over, and you will be pulled over, there is no fine imposed and you can go on your way.

 

Of course, the alternative if you don’t have helmet or licence is to pay a fine and THEN go on your way. And THAT is the issue. The police shouldn’t let people they have just fined for no helmet and/or licence, just carry on riding just because they paid a fine. Make them walk and they won’t risk it again

[Aussie999]

5 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yeah, looks to me that it can´t be that hard to control.
 

Oh, yes they do want us, and of course the money. What country don´t? It´s just that we have to behave a bit better and understand the cultural norms as well as the laws in the countries we visit. As for the littering part, you just don´t have a clue about that.

Mate, it is Thailand that encourages the youngsters to come.. it provides festivals/parties etc, it provides compuous amounts of alcohol and drugs... So, whose fault is it really.

[Zack61]

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

That Thai attitude is even more palpable once you get out of there and move to Cambodia, who also are litter pigs.

It’s been a while since I’ve been to Cambodia but the one thing I remember about the many bus trips I did was the endless miles/kilometres of plastic rubbish strewn alongside the roads. 
Litter pigs is an understatement. 

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, Joe32 said:

You don't hang out in traffic here too much, do you? From what I see, the majority who's being pulled over by the police is still mostly Thai. Instead of your whataboutism, how about just wearing a helmet so there's no reason to be pulled over. 

That is true. In all my 7 years here I mostly see locals being pulled over. When I'm pulled over, they usually wave me on or just ask where I live. The only trouble I see is that they let the locals go after talking to them a few minutes, most not wearing helmets. Not sure about having licenses because this is just watching from the line. I'm sure most stops are looking for drug trafficking, as that's what I've been told while living here, especially out in the country near a border.

[Gottfrid]

26 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Mate, it is Thailand that encourages the youngsters to come.. it provides festivals/parties etc, it provides compuous amounts of alcohol and drugs... So, whose fault is it really.

Sounds to me that drinking, having fun and at the same time being respectful is an alien concept to you. Do you live by the device that if something is available, it´s others fault if you abuse it?

[wensiensheng]

2 hours ago, cmsally said:

After scanning a few facebook pages, both Thai and English, it would seem there are a number of problems.

Firstly from the picture it is the tubing which would attract most of the lager louts who bring the usual problems.

Secondly you have the growing expat population who are a mixture. The combination of tourists and expats means the foreign population of Pai continues to grow and the native people feel outnumbered. A couple of Thai posts said the native population were being treated as "second class citizens" as the officials and some businessmen favoured the new arrivals whom they could make more money from. 

Thirdly you have the Israeli community who have apparently now established a religious centre with a resident rabbi. According to what I have read it is set up with armed guards and in the middle of a residential area. This has upset many people.

The fact that you say some business men favour the new arrivals because they can make more money from them, says it all really.

 

Thailands problems often stem from the fact that Thais encourage bad behavior because they can make money from it.

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, CCesar said:

Well, it's got nothing to do with looking down on Thais at all, there are facts which will remain even if you choose to ignore them. Open your eyes and have a good look around!

My eyes are wide open. Can you explain this then. How come it´s much more littering in places where foreigners reside in large quantities, than it is in places with small to no foreigners? Is the Thai population more well behaved in such places, or might you be totally wrong?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Gottfrid said:

My eyes are wide open. Can you explain this then. How come it´s much more littering in places where foreigners reside in large quantities, than it is in places with small to no foreigners? Is the Thai population more well behaved in such places, or might you be totally wrong?

 

   Some people from certain Countries are prone to littering .

Indians and Chinese don't have a reputation for using rubbish bins and they often just throw rubbish on the floor 

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Sounds to me that drinking, having fun and at the same time being respectful is an alien concept to you. Do you live by the device that if something is available, it´s others fault if you abuse it?

What's this 'respectful'?

You show respect for primitive people that never went to highschool ........ Why?

[dayo202]

Easy solution to all this !

All the hotel, guesthouses, hostel get together.

Israel passport holders sorry no bed.

If they have no where to stay !!!

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

My eyes are wide open. Can you explain this then. How come it´s much more littering in places where foreigners reside in large quantities, than it is in places with small to no foreigners? Is the Thai population more well behaved in such places, or might you be totally wrong?

Are you seeing the foreigners litter at such a high percentage or just assuming again? Where I live, garbage is everywhere, including in the streets and the forest. Trash is thrown on the ground right next to garbage cans. I'm the only foreigner for miles around. I put my trash in large plastic bags and bring it to the closest town that has a pickup. The difference between here and the US, is that you're fined if caught throwing anything on the ground in a public place, and garbage pickups are everywhere, including the country areas. Foreigners from all over are slobs but you don't get away with it like you do here.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

What's this 'respectful'?

You show respect for primitive people that never went to highschool ........ Why?

 

  Those Thai Doctors did indeed have a higher education 

[Middle Aged Grouch]

Thailand is doing everything to attract these young drunk and junkies from all over the west. 

 

So now it's your problem Thailand.  Handle their unruly behaviour and continue to harass with absurd laws and immigration hassles the 50-60-70+ year old foreigners who are the real quality tourists, who own property and they bring in more money then a bunch of teenage drunks only in Thailand to smoke drugs. But one just cannot change stupid.

[Gottfrid]

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Well Im an American so I rightfully look down on others.

I stopped there.

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, dayo202 said:

Easy solution to all this !

All the hotel, guesthouses, hostel get together.

Israel passport holders sorry no bed.

If they have no where to stay !!!

 

   Or you could build a ghetto in Pai and get all the Jews to move there , keep them on the ghetto before deportation 

[Gottfrid]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

What's this 'respectful'?

You show respect for primitive people that never went to highschool ........ Why?

Hmmmm....what? Read again, I think you missed something.

[Kinok Farang]

The vast majority of these kids are well behaved.There are more bell-ends in my generation over here.

[fredwiggy]

13 minutes ago, dayo202 said:

Easy solution to all this !

All the hotel, guesthouses, hostel get together.

Israel passport holders sorry no bed.

If they have no where to stay !!!

A closet Nazi perhaps?

[818Pilot]

It’s simple, TAT needs to stop focusing on the number of tourists and start focusing on creating a memorable quality experience. If tourist act up, don’t talk about what they might and probably won’t do, enforce the laws, arrest, and deport them!

 

[Yagoda]

13 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

I stopped there.

Don't want a dose of reality?

[Kinok Farang]

12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Are you seeing the foreigners litter at such a high percentage or just assuming again? Where I live, garbage is everywhere, including in the streets and the forest. Trash is thrown on the ground right next to garbage cans. I'm the only foreigner for miles around. I put my trash in large plastic bags and bring it to the closest town that has a pickup. The difference between here and the US, is that you're fined if caught throwing anything on the ground in a public place, and garbage pickups are everywhere, including the country areas. Foreigners from all over are slobs but you don't get away with it like you do here.

I was on a train once with my girlfriend.

2 40ish ladies sat across from us.Being Thais all the food came out and when we had all finished with the plastic bags,food trays,water bottles etc,we all put our rubbish in a supermarket plastic bag.One of the ladies opened the carriage window and slung the lot out.

[Middle Aged Grouch]

16 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

I stopped there.

I would have added Brit, Aussie, German, Dutch also as many of these falangs here, never made it back home so they come over to Thailand with their mental and start trying to give back all the kicks they received back in their homelands.

[pomchop]

2 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

Someone that went on one of these tours years (20) ago said these tours were very popular and a ready supply of substance was available to smoke through nice pipes.

vang vien river bars were notorious for all kinds of drugs to include ectasy and lots of mushrooms...pot and booze were also everywhere...as usual it was a relatively small number of people who seemed to cause the most problems.... a lot of them were young idiots who would get too high, couldn't handle it, wanted to impress others and would dive into water from trees and shaky bamboo ladders try to do flips etc  and bang their heads or worse..

 

..i along with many others years and years ago had a great time floating down the river stopping in the bars drinking a few beers and had/caused no problems at all...sad that it is apparently now  shut down but i can sure understand why as it was getting out of control big time..

 

.i would like to go back one day and see what it is like as it is a beautiful scenic area...i am not sure if you can even still do the innertube float down the river or if they just closed all the bars ?  i do remember the innertube was a big biz to the locals who ran it and it was run by some sort of collective...i think it was about $5 usd and that included being driven up stream a few miles along with use of the tube...it was indeed a wonderful fun trip and the river song is/was a beautiful clear mountain river/stream..only a few feet deep cold and clear.

[Aussie999]

43 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Sounds to me that drinking, having fun and at the same time being respectful is an alien concept to you. Do you live by the device that if something is available, it´s others fault if you abuse it?

Not at all mate, but it seems you choose to only blame the youngstets not those that encourage them... Remove the inducement you reduce the bad behaviour, this might be a hard concept for you to understand, let me make it easier... Remove alcohol, you reduce the bad behaviour.. simple, but maybe too simple for you to understand. Non of those bad behaviours are alien to me, I have no idea where you pulled that from, except maybe your butt.

[Gottfrid]

4 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Not at all mate, but it seems you choose to only blame the youngstets not those that encourage them... Remove the inducement you reduce the bad behaviour, this might be a hard concept for you to understand, let me make it easier... Remove alcohol, you reduce the bad behaviour.. simple, but maybe too simple for you to understand. Non of those bad behaviours are alien to me, I have no idea where you pulled that from, except maybe your butt.

So, you have to remove alcohol to take care of the problem? Are for real! We are talking about adults, that are supposed to have a brain. Just because something is available, does not mean anybody encourage anybody to do anything.

[Gottfrid]

23 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Don't want a dose of reality?

The only reality we can read here, is that you have a huge chip on your shoulder. Probably been taking the piss in the US, so you must come here and try stand above. Important message, dude. You failed! 😂

[pomchop]

3 hours ago, Expat Tom said:

Get serious. If they break to law (IF) then arrest and deport. If they are not breaking the law, leave them alone and be thankful for the money they spend. If you want to focus on a real problem how about all of the "Russian Girls...Aka Hookers" operating under neon lights on Walking Street or Selective biased traffic enforcement (Aka harassment) of farang on motorbikes while giving all Thai riders a free pass.

Never say never and never say ALL....go stand in front of police station on beach road for an hour or so and watch how many thais...and yes farangs...get pulled over every day for no helmets....tell the many thai riders who get hit with fines about how they got a free pass.

[fredwiggy]

14 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

The only reality we can read here, is that you have a huge chip on your shoulder. Probably been taking the piss in the US, so you must come here and try stand above. Important message, dude. You failed! 😂

What is the piss in the US? I thought you never visited or lived there, so your comments mean little, as you have no experience.

[BusyB]

5 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Yes, I am. Means that I am not following the trend, to look down on Thai that seems to be the par on this forum. 

 

Yeah, I was thinking with your first post here: it seems like a hangover from colonial days. When the troops went in and said sod local laws, we rule here. We have impunity.

 

You get the same with far too many tourists and expats nowadays, including posters here who you can tell look down on Thais and their laws and traditions like colonial conquerors and have little respect or understanding for them. And when the Thais respond then whinge and howl and suddenly they're victims.

 

Most 'western' tourists have grown up in countries with exactly this kind of entitled mindset. Not the majority, but a big enough minority then become a problem abroad. And with cheaper fares and budget hotels they can run riot on Thai streets instead of back home in Brentford or wherever on a Saturday night at 10.30 chucking out time (my age showing there).

 

Noone, least of all the Thais regards tourists like in that picture at the top as a 'problem'. But they do regard work without WP, overstaying, violent disorder and other breaches of THEIR laws as a problem.

 

In fact I get the impression they're far more lenient than they should be, and probably a lot more lenient than what many of the primitive wazzocks who disgrace the rest of us would face back home.