British Man Arrested in Thailand After 25-Year Visa Overstay

[Liverpool Lou]

On 2/26/2025 at 5:26 PM, sambum said:

On 2/25/2025 at 6:42 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

How much will the fine be?

Or, does he just pay the usual maximum, which is quite low.

 

 

Maximum means what it says on the tin! I think it's 20K.

When he appears in court, which he will as he has been arrested and charged, it is likely that he will not be fined that maximum as that is how courts work with guilty pleas in overstay cases.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 2/26/2025 at 5:28 PM, daejung said:

I guess he will be banned forever.

Will he go to jail too ?

No, he will not be jailed as a penalty but he will be detained in IDC only for as long as it takes to arrange his deportation.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 2/26/2025 at 5:37 PM, MikeandDow said:

On 2/26/2025 at 5:36 PM, Harrisfan said:

Wise transfer from brother?

and how do you know that!!  just full of it

He had been supported by his family until his arrest, no reason to presume that they won't help him out.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 2/26/2025 at 5:50 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Yes.

But, there might be further penalties?

 

Why would there be further penalties in excess of the maximum?

[Nick Carter icp]

On 2/26/2025 at 5:25 PM, Harrisfan said:

The guy is a bludger. Couldnt afford visa fees, stop working age 35. Must have sponged off his family.

 

   Could have inherited his Parents house and sold it for millions and lived off the interest ?

[newbee2022]

On 2/26/2025 at 4:41 PM, MikeandDow said:

Thats if the gets out of IDC ?? he has to get a plane ticket !!  if he has no money ??

Where do you think he got the money from to live here for decades?

Sure, he got some money. So he will pay for his ticket provided by immigration ❗

[MikeandDow]

24 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, partially quoting a comment is not a contravention of forum rules unless doing so alters the context of the post.  You specifically stated, as a stand-alone sentence that "The right to respect for family life is protected by human rights, and includes the right to not be separated from family members. This right applies to a variety of family relationships, including parents and children, siblings, and unmarried partners".    That is false, unless you can quote specifically where that protection is legislated.  If you can, I will gladly admit my error.

If you only post PART of my post and have alter the context of the post which you can clearly see I was asking a Question ?

there is a signed Mou on the subject also

Thailand is state party to the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child (CRC), which prohibits the arbitrary or unlawful detention of a child. The CRC also allows for the separation of a child from his or her parents against their will only when “competent authorities subject to judicial review determine . . . that such separation is necessary for the best interests of the child.” Article 22 of the Child Protection Act of 2003 requires the best interest of the child to be given primary importance when considering the treatment of a child.

so iam asking the Question  by deporting the guy away from his family is this not a breach of his human rights ?

 

[MikeandDow]

3 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Where do you think he got the money from to live here for decades?

Sure, he got some money. So he will pay for his ticket provided by immigration ❗

Wrong again !!!     immigration do NOT provide a ticket

Once you have a tentative date of repatriation, you or your representative will have to arrange to get a ticket to leave Thailand and return to your country. You will also need to settle the fee for your transportation to the airport.

 

you need to research before posting

[MikeandDow]

19 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, he will not be jailed as a penalty but he will be detained in IDC only for as long as it takes to arrange his deportation.

And that is the problem.  if there is No help forthcoming he will stay in IDC,  i belive there are inmates that have been in there for years no money for a ticket, 

[GammaGlobulin]

38 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

When he appears in court, which he will as he has been arrested and charged, it is likely that he will not be fined that maximum as that is how courts work with guilty pleas in overstay cases.

 

You mean he has been incarcerated?

 

If so, then that is penalty aplenty.

It's not the money.

It's being in the monkey cage that becomes the main deterrent.

 

[Liverpool Lou]

7 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

47 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

When he appears in court, which he will as he has been arrested and charged, it is likely that he will not be fined that maximum as that is how courts work with guilty pleas in overstay cases.

 

You mean he has been incarcerated?

 

If so, then that is penalty aplenty.

It's not the money.

It's being in the monkey cage that becomes the main deterrent.

I meant what I posted.  

 

He has been arrested so yes, obviously, he is being detained somewhere pending deportation.

[GammaGlobulin]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I meant what I posted.  

 

He has been arrested so yes, obviously, he is being detained somewhere pending deportation.

 

If this is true, and he cannot be let out on bail, then overstay of this length is not worth it, and ill-advised.

I would never attempt such a thing.

 

And, think of all the stress throughout the past 25 years.

What, I ask you, makes someone do such a thing, anyway???

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

[Liverpool Lou]

7 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

10 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I meant what I posted.  

 

He has been arrested so yes, obviously, he is being detained somewhere pending deportation.

 

If this is true, and he cannot be let out on bail, then overstay of this length is not worth it, and ill-advised.

It would not make any sense for an arrested overstayer, subject to deportation, to be released on bail!

[GammaGlobulin]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It would not make any sense for an arrested overstayer, subject to deportation, to be released on bail!

 

So then, how did this happen in the first place?

My only guess is that this was not a planned thingy.

 

Likely, the guy overstayed his visa by a few days.

Then, he became anxious.

And then anxiety turned to fear.

As months went by, he became even more fearful of the authorities.

And finally, there was nothing to do but "go to ground" like Peter O'Toole.

 

But, of course, his luck could not last forever.

And, then finally, he ends up in the monkey cage.

 

I do not envy his present position, at all.

 

 

[Samh]

59 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Could have inherited his Parents house and sold it for millions and lived off the interest ?

Or just rented it out. Have you seen the rents you get in the UK now.

[Captain Flack]

A number of bickering posts have been removed.

 

@newbee2022 stop calling people trolls and trying to moderate the site, if you see a post that breaks forum rules then use the report button, not post a flame comment, continue the debate and then use the report button.

 

Reminder of forum rules for everyone.

 

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So lets discuss the topic and not other posters.

 

[tjintx]

I zoomed in on what he is writing.

[MikeandDow]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It would not make any sense for an arrested overstayer, subject to deportation, to be released on bail!

same as a Thai  Arrested for murder they are released on bail most of the time  Amazing Thailand

[Liverpool Lou]

14 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

It would not make any sense for an arrested overstayer, subject to deportation, to be released on bail!

same as a Thai  Arrested for murder they are released on bail most of the time  Amazing Thailand

Some may be (as in other countries), "Thais arrested for murder are released on bail"?  As a generalisation,  not so much.

[Dcheech]

I used to see him & another guy during Wuhan having a smoke at that table. Visible because few westerners around out here back in virus days. That is on the back route to the condo by St Vlads the Russian maybe church place. Windows grimed, upper one gone. AC units marks but they a re gone. If he had money, just enough to get by. Of course. And people here are saying blighty is worse?! Maybe health (alcohol) problems but ... that is not living.


 

[JamesPhuket10]

On 2/27/2025 at 9:55 PM, Samh said:

I didn't say that it was a pot. As you say my pension is being paid by current National Insurance payers. Just as when I was working all my NICs were paying for somebody elses pension. However it is not "tax" that pays the pension it is NICs. If the you like the NICs are tax but the government chooses not to call it tax. You used to have to have made 44 years worth of contributions to earn a full state pension so it is effectively a pot.

As to a nice little earner, I dont think you will find people who haven't a company or private pension will call the state pension a "nice little earner". It does go up every year but not by an excessive amount. If what I paid in NICs hade been paid into an ISA or a pension I am sure I would be much better off.

 

It is not a pot, if so we could take it out as cash as is the case with a private pension, it is a tax, and we have to pay it when working, or if a person is on the dole they get free NI credits so even if someone does not work they still get free NI credits. 

 

You do not need 44 years to get a pension, you need to have paid ten years to get some pension and 39 for a full pension.

 

But if that is the only pension you have and it is not full it is topped up to a full pension payment every four weeks.

 

"if what I paid in NICs hade been paid into an ISA or a pension I am sure I would be much better off."

 

The sensible thing would have been to have done both like most people did. 

[JamesPhuket10]

On 2/28/2025 at 11:46 AM, Samh said:

Or just rented it out. Have you seen the rents you get in the UK now.

 

I know it is great, long live inflation in the UK, the rent is only a Swift payment away each time. 

[bannork]

On 2/28/2025 at 4:43 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

 

So then, how did this happen in the first place?

My only guess is that this was not a planned thingy.

 

Likely, the guy overstayed his visa by a few days.

Then, he became anxious.

And then anxiety turned to fear.

As months went by, he became even more fearful of the authorities.

And finally, there was nothing to do but "go to ground" like Peter O'Toole.

 

But, of course, his luck could not last forever.

And, then finally, he ends up in the monkey cage.

 

I do not envy his present position, at all.

 

 

He might not have worried at all, especially as time went by and nothing happened. 

 

[3NUMBAS]

There’s guys with 50 and 60 years and will die without being caught 

[rough diamond]

30 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

There’s guys with 50 and 60 years and will die without being caught 

Totally unprovable "pluck from the air" meaningless figures and statement.

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

You do not need 44 years to get a pension, you need to have paid ten years to get some pension and 39 for a full pension.

35 in the UK last time I checked

[Samh]

14 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

35 in the UK last time I checked

Yes it was reduced a few years ago. 34 years I believe.

[Samh]

16 hours ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

 

"if what I paid in NICs hade been paid into an ISA or a pension I am sure I would be much better off."

 

The sensible thing would have been to have done both like most people did. 

I think ISAs are a much better deal. The only advantage I see with a pension is if you are a higher rate tax payer. Otherwise go for an ISA.