Marco Rubio Demands Apology from Zelensky After Heated Oval Office Clash

[Yellowtail]

And it seems that often same people that are up in arms about Russia invading Ukraine applauded Palestine invading Israel. 

 

To be clear, I oppose both and see both Russia and Palestine as criminal invaders. 

[Yellowtail]

Told 'ya

[nauseus]

On 3/1/2025 at 12:45 PM, SMIAI said:

 

Every post just a Right Wing talking point. Littered with insults, but scant intelligence.

I guess it gets your post count up.

 

Pot bubbling. Nearly ready.

[nauseus]

25 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Likewise none of you ever ever posted anything about Ukraine, Zelensky, his performance, popularity, his dress sense - nothing - in the last three years. Only now when Trump trots out his nonsense you parrot it without any due diligence and you literally didn't care before, probably couldn't even point to Ukraine on a map.

 

If my memory serves well, I think it's that big fairly flat bit just to the left of, but adjacent to.....hmmm....Russia!

[Captain Flack]

Off topic posts removed.

 

Reminder, this topic is “Marco Rubio Demands Apology from Zelensky After Heated Oval Office Clash”

 

[Bkk Brian]

54 minutes ago, riclag said:

Good catch

Absolutely, its revealing to read the sudden concern after 3 years of silence.

[Yellowtail]

Who'd a thunk....

 

"Zelensky vows to 'make things right' with Trump and negotiate peace"

 

Zelensky vows to 'make things right' with Trump and negotiate peace

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Absolutely, its revealing to read the sudden concern after 3 years of silence.

They care a lot more about quashing anything that can be seen as a win Trump than they do about kids dying in Ukraine. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

They care a lot more about quashing anything that can be seen as a win Trump than they do about kids dying in Ukraine. 

It certainly seems that way

[ExpatOilWorker]

[Yellowtail]

All the left has are jokes, memes, name-calling and conspiracy theories about Trump being a Russian asset, even though after eight years of lawfare they have not been able to prove a bit of it. 

 

Meanwhile at the grownups table: 

 

"Zelensky vows to 'make things right' with Trump and negotiate peace" 

 

Zelensky vows to 'make things right' with Trump and negotiate peace

[Yellowtail]

[xylophone]

On 3/1/2025 at 10:17 AM, Social Media said:

 

Senator Marco Rubio has called on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to apologize to President Donald Trump, questioning whether Zelensky genuinely wants peace following their tense and disastrous meeting in the Oval Office.

 

The confrontation unfolded on Friday, quickly spiraling out of control when Trump took offense to how Zelensky treated his vice president, JD Vance, in front of the cameras. Trump and Vance’s aggressive stance has already sparked international criticism, even from the United States' closest allies.

 

However, Rubio argued that Zelensky was to blame, claiming that the Ukrainian leader’s behavior leading up to the meeting was unacceptable.

"You guys only saw the end, you don't see all the things that led up to this. The president's been very clear on this, he campaigned on this. He thinks this war should have never started, and I agree that had he been president, it never would have happened," Rubio said.

 

"Now here we are, he's trying to bring an end to this conflict, we've explained very clearly what our plan is here: we want to get the Russians to a negotiating table, we want to explore whether peace is possible."

 

Rubio suggested that the events of the ten days leading up to the meeting made the outcome inevitable and criticized Zelensky’s approach. "Apologize for turning this thing into the fiasco that it became," Rubio stated. "Don't come here and create a scenario where you're going to start lecturing us about how diplomacy isn’t going to work. Zelensky took it in that direction, and it ended in a predictable outcome as a result."

 

President Zelensky tells Fox News he does not feel the need to apologize to Donald Trump: “I respect president. And I respect American people. I’m not sure that we did something bad”

 

Rubio went on to speculate that Zelensky may not actually want a peace deal, claiming that his actions had frustrated those working toward a resolution. "Maybe Zelensky doesn't want a peace deal. That act of open undermining is deeply frustrating for everyone who's been involved. He should apologize for wasting our time."

 

He also defended Trump and Vance’s stance, arguing that their policies aimed to change course from Biden’s strategy, which Rubio dismissed as funding a deadlock. "Biden was funding a stalemate, funding a meat grinder, and the Russians have more meat to grind."

 

When asked if Trump and Zelensky’s relationship was salvageable, Rubio referenced a 2022 incident in which Joe Biden lost his temper with Zelensky, calling it hypocritical to criticize Trump for his reaction. "I think anything is possible, but it has to go back to the point that President Trump is involved in this to bring about enduring, lasting peace."

 

Despite the heated rhetoric, Zelensky later refused to apologize, though he expressed his desire for Trump’s support. Speaking to Fox News, he responded evasively when asked if he owed Trump an apology, ultimately refusing to concede wrongdoing. "I'm not sure we did something bad," Zelensky said.

 

"We're thankful to Americans for all your support, you did a lot, I'm thankful to President Trump and Congress' bipartisan support. You helped us a lot from the very beginning, you helped us to survive. We are strategic partners."

 

When pressed again, he maintained his position. "We have to be honest and we have to be direct with each other. Nobody wants to finish more than we do because we are in this war, in this battle for freedom for our lives."

 

Zelensky made it clear that he wanted Trump to stand firmly behind Ukraine, saying, "I want President Trump to be more on our side."

 

When asked if his relationship with Trump was repairable, Zelensky was optimistic. "Yes, of course, because it's relations more than two presidents. It's strong relations between our people, and that's why I always thank your people from our people."

 

Based on a report by The Daily Mail  2025-03-01

 

 

This is worth remembering, trump, vance &  co.........

 

 

 

[xylophone]

Marco Rubio is exactly what you thought he was. Here, in a decade old clip, he gives an accurate history lesson - Ukraine gave up its post Soviet supply of nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the US, UK and Russia. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/... Now Rubio is presiding Secretary of State as Ukraine is betrayed, first by Russia, and now by the Trump administration in an historically shameful display.

 

ttps://youtu.be/FyJY_dq8_SM?feature=sharedh

 

Disgusting. America and those who voted for trump should hang their heads in shame.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, xylophone said:

Marco Rubio is exactly what you thought he was. Here, in a decade old clip, he gives an accurate history lesson - Ukraine gave up its post Soviet supply of nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from the US, UK and Russia. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/... Now Rubio is presiding Secretary of State as Ukraine is betrayed, first by Russia, and now by the Trump administration in an historically shameful display.

 

ttps://youtu.be/FyJY_dq8_SM?feature=sharedh

 

Disgusting.

 

 

What I think is disgusting are the people that sabotaged the agreement Zelensky was supposed to sign. 

 

The anti-Trumpers would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace agreement negotiated by Trump

[Nick Carter icp]

4 hours ago, xylophone said:

This is worth remembering, trump, vance &  co.........

 

 

 

 

   Which 136 Countries were they and what aid did those countries provide ?

[xylophone]

22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Which 136 Countries were they and what aid did those countries provide ?

This from the archives of the US Dept of State should be enough to be getting on with............

 

Since September 11, President Bush has met with leaders from at least 51 different countries to help build support for the war against terrorism.

 

-136 countries have offered a range of military assistance.

-The U.S. has received 46 multilateral declarations of support from organizations.

-The U.N. General Assembly and Security Council condemned the attacks on September 12.

-NATO, OAS and ANZUS (Australia, New Zealand and the U.S.) quickly invoked their treaty obligations to support the United States. Our NATO allies are assisting directly in the defense of American territory.

-142 countries have issued orders freezing the assets of suspected terrorists and organizations.

-89 countries have granted over-flight authority for U.S. military aircraft.

-76 countries have granted landing rights for U.S. military aircraft.

-23 countries have agreed to host U.S. forces involved in offensive operations

 

https://20012009.state.gov/s/ct/rls/wh/6947.htm#:~:text=NATO%2C%20OAS%20and%20ANZUS%20(Australia,the%20defense%20of%

[Nick Carter icp]

13 minutes ago, xylophone said:

This from the archives of the US Dept of State should be enough to be getting on with............

 

Since September 11, President Bush has met with leaders from at least 51 different countries to help build support for the war against terrorism.

 

-136 countries have offered a range of military assistance.

-The U.S. has received 46 multilateral declarations of support from organizations.

-The U.N. General Assembly and Security Council condemned the attacks on September 12.

-NATO, OAS and ANZUS (Australia, New Zealand and the U.S.) quickly invoked their treaty obligations to support the United States. Our NATO allies are assisting directly in the defense of American territory.

-142 countries have issued orders freezing the assets of suspected terrorists and organizations.

-89 countries have granted over-flight authority for U.S. military aircraft.

-76 countries have granted landing rights for U.S. military aircraft.

-23 countries have agreed to host U.S. forces involved in offensive operations

 

https://20012009.state.gov/s/ct/rls/wh/6947.htm#:~:text=NATO%2C%20OAS%20and%20ANZUS%20(Australia,the%20defense%20of%

 

   So, they didn't actually give the USA  any money ?

So, the countries could hardly ask for any money back from the USA

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

The anti-Trumpers would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace agreement negotiated by Trump

You don't half come out with some sweeping rubbish. Absolute tosh and you throw these completely fabricated and ludicrous accusations around left right and centre - I really have no idea why it is tolerated.

[Yellowtail]

33 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

You don't half come out with some sweeping rubbish. Absolute tosh and you throw these completely fabricated and ludicrous accusations around left right and centre - I really have no idea why it is tolerated.

You're obsessed

[xylophone]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So, they didn't actually give the USA  any money ?

So, the countries could hardly ask for any money back from the USA

I can't quite believe what you have written, because it shows a huge amount of naïveté, something befitting of a juvenile or someone with a lack of grey matter.

 

The actions that were taken by countries around the world cost money and although it may not have been given to the USA directly, it was given to them indirectly in the form of aid and support, because to put these actions in place, surely does cost money......

 

Terrorist Finances.  The world financial community is moving to starve the terrorists of their financial support. 196 countries support the financial war on terror; 142 countries have acted to freeze terrorist assets; in the U.S. alone, the assets of 153 known terrorists, terrorist organizations, and terrorist financial centers have been frozen; and major terrorist financial networks have been closed down.

The military action in Afghanistan represents a global coalition effort. In addition to the United States, military assets are being deployed from many other nations, including the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, New Zealand, Poland, Russia and Turkey.

https://2001-2009.state.gov/s/ct/rls/wh/6947.htm#:~:text=NATO%2C OAS and ANZUS (Australia,the defense of American territory.
 

[Nick Carter icp]

9 hours ago, xylophone said:

 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I can't quite believe what you have written, because it shows a huge amount of naïveté, something befitting of a juvenile or someone with a lack of grey matter.
 

 

   My simplistic post  was in reply to your simplistic false statement stated in the first post .

 The whole World is fighting against terrorism and terrorists attack numerous Countries , the World isn't fighting against terrorists to do the USA a favour , the world is fighting against terrorists to keep themselves safe from them .

   BTW , did the Ukraine help the USA after 9/11 , like to the tune of 200 Billion  ?

 

[xylophone]

12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

   My simplistic post  was in reply to your simplistic false statement stated in the first post .

 The whole World is fighting against terrorism and terrorists attack numerous Countries , the World isn't fighting against terrorists to do the USA a favour , the world is fighting against terrorists to keep themselves safe from them .

   BTW , did the Ukraine help the USA after 9/11 , like to the tune of 200 Billion  ?

 

Granted, simplistic my post may have been, however I then posted facts to back up my original post.

 

And yes Ukraine did help the US after 9/11, but not to the tune of 200 billion and the US has not helped Ukraine to the tune of 200 billion, in fact Europe has assisted Ukraine to the tune of $266 billion, whilst the US figure is around $128 billion, although figures do vary.

 

Ukraine: The Verkhovna Rada (parliament) declared solidarity with the United States, and offered moral, technical and military support to the extent of their infrastructure. Parliament passed three resolutions all in favor of assisting the United States following the attacks. Congressman Bob Schaffer expressed his gratitude towards Ukraine and its stance on terrorism, saying "Ukraine's condemnation of international terrorism, its much-appreciated support in the war on terrorism, its tough newly enacted laws to combat terrorism, and its commitment to fight at the side of the United States and its allies for civil society and democracy demonstrates the role Ukraine and her people intend to play in the emerging democracy.

 

In events such as these the wealthiest countries are obviously expected to be the major providers of financial assistance, and there is one overarching consideration, by virtue of the speech which Marco Rubio gave when urging Ukraine to give up their nuclear arsenal in return for "protection" and I provided the link a few posts ago but I will do it again for you shortly, so the US has a moral obligation to defend Ukraine as promised by the Marco Rubio speech.....in effect the US gave its word to Ukraine. 

 

What is the value of the promise from the US now? Worthless??
 

[Flyguy330]

15 hours ago, xylophone said:

The military action in Afghanistan represents a global coalition effort. In addition to the United States, military assets are being deployed from many other nations, including the United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, New Zealand, Poland, Russia and Turkey.
 

 

All of those nations should have stayed out of that. It was military adventurism by the US in their own interests. But the US has always leaned on, and relied on its allies for support. It came too easily because those countries were grovelling little vassals of the US Empire.

I'm glad to see - and I hope it's true - that those days are over, and the next time the US decides to batter some sandpit they'll be told 'Yer on yer own now buddy, eff off'.

Reap what you sow.

[Flyguy330]

On 3/4/2025 at 10:30 PM, nauseus said:

 

Bollacks. If they do that then that would probably guarantee no more arms from the US..... ever.

 

Seen the news today bud?

As I predicted....

 

Ukraine bombs Moscow

 

You look stupid now, don't you....

[nauseus]

52 minutes ago, Flyguy330 said:

 

Seen the news today bud?

As I predicted....

 

Ukraine bombs Moscow

 

You look stupid now, don't you....

 

Only through your clouded brain and foggy lenses. Big drone attack but not the first ever and very possibly not involving U.S. manufactured drones - we'll see. No missiles mentioned.

 

Whatever, any attack at this time will not help any truce or other negotiations. Let's see what more news is revealed and what the reaction and return damage is before you continue with your stupid insults.

 

 

[Flyguy330]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

Big drone attack but not the first ever and very possibly not involving U.S. manufactured drones - we'll see. No missiles mentioned.

 

 

Now you're back pedalling furiously. 😏

The attacks have happened, you saw the proof.

Three years ago the very idea of Ukrainian bombs hitting the Russian capital city would have been unthinkable. Even as they started getting US weapons the Ukrainians were warned not to attack inside Russia, for damn good reasons too. The ban didn't apply just to missiles. Rapid escalation to nuclear war was possible if the provocation was high. And they refrained from that, even as they proved their drone strike capabilities elsewhere.

 

Read what I wrote about the forecasters new warning after Trumps hooliganism in the Oval Office. You're now making weak attempts at excluding drones from the ban, FFS.

 

Incidentally, Ukraine doesn't need US drones. Ukraine itself is manufacturing over 95% of it's drones domestically: Ukrainian drones made up over 96% of UAVs military used in 2024 https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-drones-made-up-over-96-of-uavs-military-used-in-2024-defense-minister-says/

 

Trump has let them off the leash by his stupidity. The restrictions have evaporated. As was forecast.

 

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Whatever, any attack at this time will not help any truce or other negotiations. Let's see what more news is revealed and what the reaction and return damage is before you continue with your stupid insults.

 

That's a whole other issue. Hitting back at Moscow reminds Putin and the previously insulated Muscovites that the war can come home to them too. That'll be good for negotiations. A reality check.

[nauseus]

19 minutes ago, Flyguy330 said:

 

Now you're back pedalling furiously. 😏

The attacks have happened, you saw the proof.

Three years ago the very idea of Ukrainian bombs hitting the Russian capital city would have been unthinkable. Even as they started getting US weapons the Ukrainians were warned not to attack inside Russia, for damn good reasons too. The ban didn't apply just to missiles. Rapid escalation to nuclear war was possible if the provocation was high. And they refrained from that, even as they proved their drone strike capabilities elsewhere.

 

Read what I wrote about the forecasters new warning after Trumps hooliganism in the Oval Office. You're now making weak attempts at excluding drones from the ban, FFS.

 

Incidentally, Ukraine doesn't need US drones. Ukraine itself is manufacturing over 95% of it's drones domestically: Ukrainian drones made up over 96% of UAVs military used in 2024 https://kyivindependent.com/ukrainian-drones-made-up-over-96-of-uavs-military-used-in-2024-defense-minister-says/

 

Trump has let them off the leash by his stupidity. The restrictions have evaporated. As was forecast.

 

 

That's a whole other issue. Hitting back at Moscow reminds Putin and the previously insulated Muscovites that the war can come home to them too. That'll be good for negotiations. A reality check.

 

You didn't read what I said? Did you?

 

 

[Yellowtail]

"Ukraine agrees to proposal for ceasefire with Russia as US restores aid and intel sharing"

 

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