Rachel Reeves Secures Billions for Ukraine and UK Defence Amid Transatlantic Tensions

[connda]

24 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

"On Sunday, Starmer and Zelensky will join 16 other European leaders at Lancaster House to discuss a coordinated strategy for ending the war...

"On Sunday, Starmer and Zelensky will join 16 other European leaders at Lancaster House to discuss a coordinated strategy for continuing the war and taking the fight into Russia using UK/EU "boots on the ground" and "planes in the air."

1812: The French invades Russia and "finds out."
1941-1942: Germany invades Russia and "finds out."
2025-2026: The UK/EU invades Russia and "finds out." 

I'm thinking the UK/EU leadership have seen "A Field of Dreams" too many times.
"Build it (a UK/EU "coalition of the willing") and he (Trump) will come."
Ok - find out. 

[James105]

4 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Oh look I've found one.......

It must be exhausting believing scientists, medical professionals, historians, and journalists have dedicated their lives to misleading you, while viewing a reality TV personality, known for decades of fraud and chronic lying, as your only source of truth. 

 

Sounds like I hit a nerve so same question to you then:   Can you recall the last time you watched CNN/MSNBC or whatever leftist  propaganda you consume and found yourself disagreeing with anything they say on anything that has happened regarding Ukraine, covid, vaccines, trans etc?   

Can you provide an example of this?  

[connda]

Who is this?

Someone who will never be on the Russia Front with a rifle, dying for their country. But?  Happy to send the kids of all of the "little people" and common folk to die for the grand plans of the UK and the EU elites! 

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Oh look I've found one.......

It must be exhausting believing scientists, medical professionals, historians, and journalists have dedicated their lives to misleading you, while viewing a reality TV personality, known for decades of fraud and chronic lying, as your only source of truth. 

As one of those journalists, I can categorically state I never wanted to mislead anyone, but my bosses and my government insisted. Not to mention they paid me a lot of money to do it.

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, connda said:

Who is this?

Someone who will never be on the Russia Front with a rifle, dying for their country. But?  Happy to send the kids of all of the "little people" and common folk to die for the grand plans of the UK and the EU elites! 

 

Labour are loving this.

 

A massive ego trip. Reeves picture above says it all. Strutting around with a self satisfied smirk on her face. 

 

Happy to sacrifice the lives and taxes of the British people for their own inflated egos and attention on the global stage. 

[xylophone]

20 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Sounds like I hit a nerve so same question to you then:   Can you recall the last time you watched CNN/MSNBC or whatever leftist  propaganda you consume and found yourself disagreeing with anything they say on anything that has happened regarding Ukraine, covid, vaccines, trans etc?   

Can you provide an example of this?  

LOL..................

It must be exhausting believing scientists, medical professionals, historians, and journalists have dedicated their lives to misleading you, while viewing a reality TV personality, known for decades of fraud and chronic lying, as your only source of truth. 

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Labour are loving this.

 

A massive ego trip. Reeves picture above says it all. Strutting around with a self satisfied smirk on her face. 

 

Happy to sacrifice the lives and taxes of the British people for their own inflated egos and attention on the global stage. 

 I British lives have been sacrificed and the loan to Ukraine is backed by seized Russian assets, refer OP for facts on the matter.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, connda said:

Who is this?

Someone who will never be on the Russia Front with a rifle, dying for their country. But?  Happy to send the kids of all of the "little people" and common folk to die for the grand plans of the UK and the EU elites! 

The Chancellor of the Exchequer does not send anyone to war.

 

 

[proton]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Utilizing the frozen Russian assets is smart.

 

The aggressor gets to pay and nobody in the UK loses out.

 

 

You are advocating theft

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 I British lives have been sacrificed and the loan to Ukraine is backed by seized Russian assets, refer OP for facts on the matter.

 

 

 

The troops haven't arrived yet Chomps.😄

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gxgxl3grgo

 

 

The loan will not be repaid. That's just a headline for the gullible to ease the pain. Judging by your reaction, it is working on the most gullible already.  

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, connda said:

"On Sunday, Starmer and Zelensky will join 16 other European leaders at Lancaster House to discuss a coordinated strategy for continuing the war and taking the fight into Russia using UK/EU "boots on the ground" and "planes in the air."

1812: The French invades Russia and "finds out."
1941-1942: Germany invades Russia and "finds out."
2025-2026: The UK/EU invades Russia and "finds out." 

I'm thinking the UK/EU leadership have seen "A Field of Dreams" too many times.
"Build it (a UK/EU "coalition of the willing") and he (Trump) will come."
Ok - find out. 

The UK/EU are not planning on invading Russia.

 

But how about this:

 

In 1938 Neville Chamberlain capitulated and the UK ‘found out’.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 

You are advocating theft

It’s not theft.

 

The aggressor pays the damages.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

The troops haven't arrived yet Chomps.😄

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gxgxl3grgo

 

 

The loan will not be repaid. That's just a headline for the gullible to ease the pain. Judging by your reaction, it is working on the most gullible already.  

I know you’ve surrendered to Putin’s  propaganda, but Ukraine is not Russia, troops on the ground in Ukraine are not in Russia.

If the loan isn’t repaid it comes out of seized Russian assets.

 

[Jim Blue]

47 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Seriously?  Ukraine is quite famous for being corrupt.   Here is some pre-proganda news for you from a leftist outlet.  

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

 

If you really think that most of the money being sent to Ukraine is being used to actually fight Russia then perhaps we can have a chat about a beautiful bridge I have for sale that you might want to purchase.   The reason this un-winnable war is still going on is because people are making a lot of money out of it.   

 

Ukraine knows it cannot win, it knows NATO will not send forces due to the small technicality that Ukraine is not actually a part of NATO, but as part of the monthly "Zelensky begging for money worldwide tour", the corrupt politicians can make a ton of money by keeping their cannon fodder on the front lines dragging this on for as long as possible before eventually agreeing to re-draw the boundaries on a map.   This will not happen until the cows (other countries taxpayers with weak leaders) have been thoroughly milked of course.

James that article is from 2015 ? .Where have you been ?

[JonnyF]

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I know you’ve surrendered to Putin’s  propaganda, but Ukraine is not Russia, troops on the ground in Ukraine are not in Russia.

 

I didn't say they were in Russia. Nice strawman though. 

 

UK troops are immortal when in Ukraine? Who knew?

[James105]

9 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

James that article is from 2015 ? .Where have you been ?

 

Not easy to find anything about Ukraine corruption recently so have to go back a bit due to the overwhelming amounts of propaganda.  Nothing really about their neo-nazi connections or anything else really that paints them in a bad light lately in the efforts to paint them as the good guys, as the reality of 2 corrupt nations fighting over territory doesn't do a lot to get the public onside when you want to spaff their tax money away which just ends up in the pockets of rich, corrupt politicians.  

 

So one of 2 things has happened.  Ukraine is no longer corrupt and we can be confident that the billions upon billions of $$$ spent has gone directly to aiding the war effort, or as I suspect maybe half at most has reached its intended destination and there are some very, very newly rich people who want this gold rush war to continue as long as possible. 

[phil2407]

What happened to the sale money of Chelsea 

4.2 billion I think 

[Snackbar]

Ridiculous 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

Seriously?  Ukraine is quite famous for being corrupt.   Here is some pre-proganda news for you from a leftist outlet.  

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

 

If you really think that most of the money being sent to Ukraine is being used to actually fight Russia then perhaps we can have a chat about a beautiful bridge I have for sale that you might want to purchase.   The reason this un-winnable war is still going on is because people are making a lot of money out of it.   

 

Ukraine knows it cannot win, it knows NATO will not send forces due to the small technicality that Ukraine is not actually a part of NATO, but as part of the monthly "Zelensky begging for money worldwide tour", the corrupt politicians can make a ton of money by keeping their cannon fodder on the front lines dragging this on for as long as possible before eventually agreeing to re-draw the boundaries on a map.   This will not happen until the cows (other countries taxpayers with weak leaders) have been thoroughly milked of course.

Seriously? A;; you need to do is to is to provide serious links and proof of what you claim. If you cannot, why should I believe you?

 

You, like me, and all the other posters here are simply an anonymous voice on a small English language forum in Thailand. 

[JonnyF]

Labour love getting involved in foreign conflicts.

 

Starmer is getting a chubby because he thinks this is his equivalent of Blair's Iraq.

 

The only problem, the American President isn't playing along this time. 

[Paul52]

5 hours ago, transam said:

That sounds like 1939 too, but had to be done for the sake of freedom, are you free...?

If someone is elderly and doesn’t have enough money to pay for heating, or homeless then they’re caught in a downward spiraling trap, so no, definitely not “free”.  And they certainly wouldn’t want to hear your dumb, idiotic warmongering BS.

[Purdey]

The loans to Ukraine are not much different from the US Lend Lease program made during WWII to the UK. The UK paid it all back by 2006. 

Let's hope Ukraine wins soon.