Ukraine must cede territory in peace talks, says US

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Ethnically distinct from Ukrainians. What's so difficult about this to understand. It can be said they're Russian Ukrainians just like it's acceptable to say Irish American or Chinese Australian. Ethnicity. Look it up as you either do not know what it means or are you simply trolling.

Bottom line, they are Ukrainian citizens whether Russians or Tatars ethnicity.. Not hard to understand unless you just being recalcitrant. 

[Hellfire]

5 hours ago, hotsun said:

A world without war, i thought thats what the majority of folks wanted. Turns out not, as long as the keyboard warriors here arent the ones fighting

Where do they make people like you?

What exactly is your logic here? The so-called “warmongering” Ukrainians somehow forced Putin to attack them, kill hundreds of thousands, occupy their land, and destroy their cities—just so they could have a permanent war? And Putin, the peace-loving dictator who dreams of nothing but peace, has no choice but to keep killing Ukrainians and invading their country—all because these bloodthirsty, war-loving Ukrainians refuse to surrender? Is that really what you’re suggesting?

[NoDisplayName]

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

Russia could take a lot more of Ukraine than Putin said he wanted, right up front.

 

Putin didn't want any of Ukraine.

 

He wanted the Minsk accords to be implemented and an end to ethnic cleansing.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

How many more do you want to die to prevent the inevitable redrawing of lines on a map which was always going to be the result of a bigger country invading a smaller country that is not a part of NATO?  Another 100? 1000?  A million?   I presume that so long as its not yourself or close family members doing the dying then an unlimited number of deaths is okay with you?  

I don’t want any more to die.

 

How much more encouragement to invade other countries do you wish to provided Putin, or indeed any other tyrant?

[Bannoi]

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

The USA  has now unilaterally decided that the longstanding agreement that internationally agreed upon borders were inviolable no longer need be respected. Russia  has now been gven the green light to take back Alaska.

Russia is a bully only picks a fight with those weaker than itself. If Russia with its imperialistic ambitions didn't exist there would be peace in Europe and no NATO.

[Hellfire]

5 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Ukraine will be Russia within 2 years.

It was initially 3 days. 3 years later it is “within 2 years”. You have to acknowledge those Ukrainians know how to fight.  

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

There is a debate open, try over there where you imaginary country guys are losing

How about you present some actual facts rather than your bare faced lie that Ukraine is not a country.

 

[BexMan]

11 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Negotiation.  Russia could take a lot more of Ukraine than Putin said he wanted, right up front.  Surrender would mean losing Kiev. and Odessa. Ukraine may be able to keep those.

 

Putin would like to take the whole of Ukraine,  he has said Ukraine is not a real country, it is historically Russian. He doesn’t have the military capacity at the moment, he needs North Korean troops and Iranian drones to keep his war machine  ongoing. He doesn’t want peacekeepers so that later he can come back for the rest of Ukraine, once he has rearmed.

[Hellfire]

4 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Putin didn't want any of Ukraine.

 

He wanted the Minsk accords to be implemented and an end to ethnic cleansing.

There was no ethnic cleansing in Ukraine, Putin’s bot—unless, of course, you’re referring to the one being carried out by Putin’s own army.

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Bottom line, they are Ukrainian citizens whether Russians or Tatars ethnicity.. Not hard to understand unless you just being recalcitrant. 

Soon to be Russian citizens in Russia.

[Yagoda]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How about you present some actual facts rather than your bare faced lie that Ukraine is not a country.

 

Off topic, stalker, there is an open topic which you avoid

[NoDisplayName]

17 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

Putin’s bot

 

Add hominy for the winning!

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, BexMan said:

He doesn’t want peacekeepers so that later he can come back for the rest of Ukraine, once he has rearmed.

How is he gonna rearm? With what money? His old s**t dont work and his new stuff is s**t. He has to worry about the Poles, the ancient enemy who know how weak he is and who are just drooling for Koningsburg. And the Finns would like Karelia. Hes 72 years old, sooner or later, he will die alone in his dacha and his revanchist dreams will die with him.

[frank83628]

54 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Maybe Russia should stop the killing first. They just unleash bombs yesterday and killed at least 25 people, not soldiers. It was reported that there were 264 Russian drone attacks in last 48 hours. If we are moving towards WW3, it will be Russia who will likely to initiate the deadly move. Trump is abetting Russia aggression. 

Yes, always killing civilians, women, children, but there isnt any western propaganda. 

[frank83628]

28 minutes ago, Bannoi said:

Russia is a bully only picks a fight with those weaker than itself. If Russia with its imperialistic ambitions didn't exist there would be peace in Europe and no NATO.

Hahaha, yeah, of course Pesky Putin always meddling with his imperialistic ambitions, this imperialistic ambitions he's sat on for a whole 20yrs...

 

The worlds bully is the USA, however that was under previous war mongering administrations, so far Trump is the only president in my lifetime to actively seeking to end a war, he has already done far more than any career politician.

 

[Eric Loh]

15 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Soon to be Russian citizens in Russia.

Comrade Dinsdale has spoken. Putin is pleased with your show of support. 

[Eric Loh]

7 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Yes, always killing civilians, women, children, but there isnt any western propaganda. 

Wow you are really deep in Russian gavno. 

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Comrade Dinsdale has spoken. Putin is pleased with your show of support. 

Typical puerile comment. Putin's a dictator. Despise the man. Fact is he's taken 20% of Ukraine and will in all likelihood keep the majority of it.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Hahaha, yeah, of course Pesky Putin always meddling with his imperialistic ambitions, this imperialistic ambitions he's sat on for a whole 20yrs...

 

The worlds bully is the USA, however that was under previous war mongering administrations, so far Trump is the only president in my lifetime to actively seeking to end a war, he has already done far more than any career politician.

 

As you support Putin's invasion, and you support Trump, I think you have told us a lot, shown up a lot of Trumpers on here.....Well done...... 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Typical puerile comment. Putin's a dictator. Despise the man. Fact is he's taken 20% of Ukraine and will in all likelihood keep the majority of it.

You would think that..................😬

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Wow you are really deep in Russian gavno. 

No,  have you not realised its always the same, the 'enemy' of the west is always killing women, children, bombing hospitals and schools, gassing their own people, etc etc, same story everytime, people like yourself blindly accept it, without question.

Its called manufacturing consent

[gargamon]

51 minutes ago, impulse said:

Russia could take a lot more of Ukraine than Putin said he wanted, right up front. 

Really? It was supposed to take 3 days to get Kyiv. It's been over 3 years.

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

As you support Putin's invasion, and you support Trump, I think you have told us a lot, shown up a lot of Trumpers on here.....Well done...... 

Oh no, cornered again, please stop, I am in a deep enough hole from the last time.

 

I dont agree with any war, however this action was a result of provocation and interference by the USA. You can deny all you want,  but that's the truth.

I dont expect you to know as you are a headline reader and behind the times. 

[NoDisplayName]

46 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Really? It was supposed to take 3 days to get Kyiv. It's been over 3 years.

 

Citation needed.

 

Please provide quote from Putin declaring intent to take Киев in 3 days.

 

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley told lawmakers that Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine takes place, multiple congressional sources tell Fox News.

[NoDisplayName]

🤔

 

Well, of course Putin said it!

 

It's in all the opinion pieces, and so many people like to repeat it online, so gosh, it's gotta be truthy.

 

"I want to believe."

[transam]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Oh no, cornered again, please stop, I am in a deep enough hole from the last time.

 

I dont agree with any war, however this action was a result of provocation and interference by the USA. You can deny all you want,  but that's the truth.

I dont expect you to know as you are a headline reader and behind the times. 

Sunbeam, you have been reading to many of your leaders KGB paperbacks, you now cannot tell the wood from the trees, in fact you are like Trump, embarrassing...........😒

 

You waffle on about the USA, the war has sod all to do with the USA, it is solely your hero's agenda to reinstate the Communist borders, land grab, but you fall for your leader's BS, every time.

Your hero has killed thousands just for his dream, and you, and others, fall for it....🤨

 

 

P.S. Stop guessing at what I do or not do, makes you look stupid.....

[gargamon]

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Citation needed.

 

Please provide quote from Putin declaring intent to take Киев in 3 days.

 

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley told lawmakers that Kyiv could fall within 72 hours if a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine takes place, multiple congressional sources tell Fox News.

The captured Russian orcs admitted it.

[Hellfire]

I have always found Putin’s propaganda—especially after the war began in 2014—to be so absurd and outright foolish that it seemed effective only on the uneducated and lower-tier segments of the Russian population, whose minds had been shaped by 70 years of Soviet indoctrination. Could I have ever imagined that this same nonsensical, logic-defying propaganda would one day be echoed by an American president—someone I considered as an almost god-like figure in my childhood—and embraced by millions of his supporters? Never.

 

My father, born in the USSR, was one of the greatest admirers of the United States and the values of freedom and individual rights it always stood for in the eyes of the world. In a sad twist of fate, I find myself relieved that he did not live to see this tragic spectacle unfold.

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, gargamon said:

The captured Russian orcs admitted it.

 

Of course they did.

It was "reported."

 

And here you are, admitting Putin never said it.

 

The 3-day timeline all goes back to an alleged quote by General Milley to congress, leaked by "sources", that has been repeated endlessly in the propaganda screeds, such that many believe it came from Putin.

 

But sure, let's assume some POW's "freely" admitted it...

 

And perhaps you might pretend, afterwards, that it was only a trick and that you just said it to make them stop and didn’t really mean it. But that isn’t true. At the time when it happens you do mean it. You think there’s no other way of saving yourself and you’re quite ready to save yourself that way. You want it to happen to the other person. You don’t give a damn what they suffer. All you care about is yourself.

 

[Eric Loh]

34 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

I have always found Putin’s propaganda—especially after the war began in 2014—to be so absurd and outright foolish that it seemed effective only on the uneducated and lower-tier segments of the Russian population, whose minds had been shaped by 70 years of Soviet indoctrination. Could I have ever imagined that this same nonsensical, logic-defying propaganda would one day be echoed by an American president—someone I considered as an almost god-like figure in my childhood—and embraced by millions of his supporters? Never.

 

My father, born in the USSR, was one of the greatest admirers of the United States and the values of freedom and individual rights it always stood for in the eyes of the world. In a sad twist of fate, I find myself relieved that he did not live to see this tragic spectacle unfold.

The probably logical explanation is that Trump has been compromised to betrayed the values that you cherished that resulted in this tragic spectacle. Speculation that he is allegedly recruited as a Russia spy in 1987 has surfaced by a former KGB official and that his personal KGB file is in the hands of Putin.