Democrats Face Backlash for Supporting Arrested Palestinian Activist Mahmoud Khalil

[still kicking]

24 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

LOL...LOL....LOL

Deflection again 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

As an American, I thought you would have adequate knowledge about the activities of Mahmoud Khalil, so I assume you are just playing your favourite “contrarian” card again.

 

However, no surprise to find you supporting a terrorist sympathiser and antisemite, despite your repeated, disingenuous, and tiresome claims of impartiality.

 

 

Anything either of us know about the activities of Mahmoud Khalil comes from the media, press, TV and news reports.

 

None is consistent, non has any legal basis.

 

Once again you make a libelous allegation “no surprise to find you supporting a terrorist sympathiser and antisemite”

 

I have made no comments supporting any person engaged in any such activities.

 

I have made comments in support of due process of under the law.

 

I once again suggest you wind in your recourse to Libel. 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Anything either of us know about the activities of Mahmoud Khalil comes from the media, press, TV and news reports.

 

None is consistent, non has at legal basis.

 

Once again you make a libelous allegation “no surprise to find you supporting a terrorist sympathiser and antisemite”

 

I have no comments supporting any person engaged in any such activities.

 

I have made comments in support of due process of under the law.

 

I once again suggest you wind in your recourse to Libel. 

None is consistent, non has at legal basis.

 

You're a lawyer acting on his behalf now are you?

 

There is plenty of material and video evidence including his direct interviews on tape.

 

View some direct evidence for yourself below.

 

"When you see people gnashing their teeth and rending their garments over the arrest and potential deportation of Mahmoud Khalil, one of the lead Hamas acolytes at Columbia University, show them this thread of his greatest hits"

https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1898953421048193345

 

[hotsun]

5 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

What happened to FREE SPEECH ?

 

Didn't JD Vance go to Europe and lecture everyone about allowing free speech?

 

Or is free speech (usually an opportunity to be racist) only the kind of speech YOU want to hear. 

 

Hypocrisy is unbelievable. 

Free speech is only for muslims in your country. You are not allowed to criticize your government

[Tug]

40 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It's amazing how consistently the Dems get it wrong. It's pretty much on every issue. 😄

 

On the plus side, it's exactly this type of stance that ensures the GOP will get the many terms they need to Make America Great Again. 

 

It’s not about the guy that got arrested it’s about freedom of speech.they are using his political speech as an excuse to deport him no more no less.

[still kicking]

Just now, hotsun said:

Free speech is only for muslims in your country. You are not allowed to criticize your government

Get out of the sun

[bamnutsak]

Anne Coulter chimes in...

 

 

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

It’s not about the guy that got arrested it’s about freedom of speech.they are using his political speech as an excuse to deport him no more no less.

 

A Democrat lecturing about freedom of speech? 😄 I've heard it all now... 😄

 

I thought you didn't like "foreigners" getting involved in US politics? Or does that only apply to Musk?

[6Hugh_Janus9]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

None is consistent, non has at legal basis.

 

You're a lawyer acting on his behalf now are you?

 

There is plenty of material and video evidence including his direct interviews on tape.

 

View some direct evidence for yourself below.

 

"When you see people gnashing their teeth and rending their garments over the arrest and potential deportation of Mahmoud Khalil, one of the lead Hamas acolytes at Columbia University, show them this thread of his greatest hits"

https://x.com/EFischberger/status/1898953421048193345

 

There could be video footage of a defendant gunning down someone on a clear day, and they would still get a trial before being sent to prison. To arrest and deport someone on words alone with no due process is sickening.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, 6Hugh_Janus9 said:

There could be video footage of a defendant gunning down someone on a clear day, and they would still get a trial before being sent to prison. To arrest and deport someone on words alone with no due process is sickening.

Welcome to the board, your first post and US Immigration law.....lol oh and he is getting a trial

 

 

[Social Media]

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[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, bamnutsak said:

 

So the answer to my question is "No"?

 

Please share the "reasons" that a Green Card holder and the spouse of a U.S. citizen can be detained and deported without due process.

Secretary Rubio gave a  rather. concise and explicit  explanation.

"No one has a right to a student visa," Rubio said. "No one has a right to a green card, by the way. So when you apply for student visa or any visa to enter the United States, we have a right to deny you for virtually any reason, but I think being a supporter of Hamas and coming into our universities and turning them upside down, and being complicit and what are clearly crimes of vandalization, complicit in shutting down learning institutions."

 

Secretary of State Marco Rubio has "determined" that Khalil's "presence or activities in the United States would have serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States." 

He is a citizen of Algeria, according to a Department of Homeland Security document obtained by CBS News.

[Patong2021]

40 minutes ago, 6Hugh_Janus9 said:

There could be video footage of a defendant gunning down someone on a clear day, and they would still get a trial before being sent to prison. To arrest and deport someone on words alone with no due process is sickening.

He has no legal rights because he is a visa holder

[300sd]

50 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

What happened to FREE SPEECH ?

 

Didn't JD Vance go to Europe and lecture everyone about allowing free speech?

 

Or is free speech (usually an opportunity to be racist) only the kind of speech YOU want to hear. 

 

Hypocrisy is unbelievable. 

You may want to try and understand the difference between free speech and hate speech.

[Patong2021]

51 minutes ago, Tug said:

It’s not about the guy that got arrested it’s about freedom of speech.they are using his political speech as an excuse to deport him no more no less.

Not really. He is an Algerian  advocating on behalf of a  listed terror group.

 Would you not be up in arms if US  nationals entered  Germany on  work visas  and started  advocating on behalf of  the listed anti muslim groups?

[6Hugh_Janus9]

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

He has no legal rights because he is a visa holder

He is a green-card holder not a visa holder, so as a legal resident it grants him the rights to due process

[Patong2021]

Just now, 6Hugh_Janus9 said:

He is a green-card holder not a visa holder, so as a legal resident it grants him the rights to due process

Read up on the legal status of a green card. Not US Citizens and card can be revoked at any time. Under the Immigration and Nationality Act, green card holders do not need to be convicted of something to be “removable". They can be deported if the secretary of homeland security or the attorney general have reasonable grounds to believe they engaged in, or are likely to engage in, terrorist activities.

Feel free to argue his case before an immigration law judge.

[6Hugh_Janus9]

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

Read up on the legal status of a green card. Not US Citizens and card can be revoked at any time. Under the Immigration and Nationality Act, green card holders do not need to be convicted of something to be “removable". They can be deported if the secretary of homeland security or the attorney general have reasonable grounds to believe they engaged in, or are likely to engage in, terrorist activities.

Feel free to argue his case before an immigration law judge.

His green card was revoked before facing any form of due process. Immigration law judges normally determine if you broke the law and can then can order to revoke your green card. In this case the immigration law judge would simply be verifying his legal status and deporting him without any form of due process. The only reason he hasn't already been deported is because his lawyer got a NY judge to temporarily pause this deportation. The law is filled with a backlog of rarely used decades old statutes (like the one being used here). This case is a first of its kind and will be disputed. They didn't even have a warrant for his initial arrest...

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I once again suggest you wind in your recourse to Libel.

 

Ha ha ha; threatening a pseudonym with libel, for a comment to another pseudonym on an open forum; maybe time to wind your entitled left wing neck in, and give your head a wobble.

 

 

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, Social Media said:

fighting for a pro-Hamas foreigner who has made life hell for Jews on campus?

Totally not true.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Ha ha ha; threatening a pseudonym with libel, for a comment to another pseudonym on an open forum; maybe time to wind your entitled left wing neck in, and give your head a wobble.

 

 

I didn’t threaten anyone with Libel.

 

I called out you for posting  libelous accusation.

 

 

 

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, 6Hugh_Janus9 said:

His green card was revoked before facing any form of due process. Immigration law judges normally determine if you broke the law and can then can order to revoke your green card. In this case the immigration law judge would simply be verifying his legal status and deporting him without any form of due process. The only reason he hasn't already been deported is because his lawyer got a NY judge to temporarily pause this deportation. The law is filled with a backlog of rarely used decades old statutes (like the one being used here). This case is a first of its kind and will be disputed. They didn't even have a warrant for his initial arrest...

Nothing you have written is a valid argument that can be used to block the US government action. The  US has the right to revoke Green Cards without  cause. There is no legal right to a Green Card. 

Your statement  about a backlog is nonsensical and has no relevance here. Yes, Khalil will  mount a defence on the basis that he should have a hearing to determine whether or not he violated immigration laws, in particular making a fraudulent statement about his activities when he applied for the status. The fact is that holding immigrants until a case is adjudicated is allowed and a common practice. There was no need for a warrant for his arrest as he was detained on a violation of his immigration status. US immigration law is draconian and can be argued to be abusive. However, it is what it is.

[WDSmart]

I do not support arresting, and especially deporting, any US citizen or legal resident because they were engaging in their right to free speech.

[thesetat]

8 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

So the answer to my question is "No"?

 

Please share the "reasons" that a Green Card holder and the spouse of a U.S. citizen can be detained and deported without due process.

Just like you while here in Thailand. You can live peacefully without causing any problems. but the minute you do something that attracts or instigates problems. Speaking out at a rally is even enough, would get the immigration to make a decision whether to allow you to continue staying here. What difference does it make if you are married to a citizen? 

You may not violate the laws but you did violate the rules of your visa and of your stay in Thailand. The USA has more rules than here. They just rarely invoke them. But this guy did bad things. Instigating hate and promoting terrorism. He surely violated the rules of his stay in the country. Hence should be thrown out with visa or green card cancelled. I am curious as to why you do not know this as an expat living abroad? You know there are things we can do and things we can not or should not that have nothing to do with the country's laws but still would invoke the wrath of immigration. 

[thesetat]

8 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

What happened to FREE SPEECH ?

 

Didn't JD Vance go to Europe and lecture everyone about allowing free speech?

 

Or is free speech (usually an opportunity to be racist) only the kind of speech YOU want to hear. 

 

Hypocrisy is unbelievable. 

Freedom of speech is one thing. It is not what this guy did though to attract the attention on himself leading to his problems now in the US. 

Although he idd not break any police laws. He demonstrated his intentions to follow terrorism as well as try to coerce others to follow Hamas making him a national threat. He is deportable. What surprises me is why the government is allowing this drawn out show of resistance? They should have taken him and deported him immediately and let him try to fight it from outside the US. Now, all the crazies are gathering to support him which have created even more problems as well as threats to the nation and its people. 

 

[bamnutsak]

1 hour ago, thesetat said:

Just like you while here in Thailand.

 

But is it?

 

I am not married to a Thai.

 

I do not have PR or am I on a path to citizenship.

 

I have temporary permission to stay.

 

I'd say you're comparing apples and refrigerators.

 

1 hour ago, thesetat said:

Instigating hate and promoting terrorism.

 

Who did this? I think you are projecting, maybe hallucinating.

 

12 minutes ago, thesetat said:

What surprises me is why the government is allowing this drawn out show of resistance?

 

Because the right to voice your opinion and freely assemble for peaceful protest is guaranteed by the Constitution.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Here’s why Mahmoud Khalil will be deported, without a doubt. 

 1. Legal permanent residents are still aliens subject to 8 USC 1182 and 8 USC 1227, and thus explicitly deportable for any speech expressing support for designated terrorist organizations or statutorily defined “terrorist activities,” as well as deportable for foreign policy grounds at the sole determination of the Secretary of State and/or AG. 

These are not crimes, but they don’t have to be. They are removal grounds under 8 USC 1182 and 8 USC 1227. No criminal conviction is required to remove aliens. IF a crime is committed, it can serve as grounds for removal, but no allegation of criminal misconduct is necessary.  

2. ⁠No due process has been denied. He is entitled to a basic statement that he is being detained and subject to removal proceedings, and he got one, and he’s entitled to a removal hearing before being deported, and he’ll get one. 

3. ⁠He is not missing. The ICE detention database, available to the public, clearly lists that he is in a detention facility in Louisiana. 

4. ⁠These actions are not being done in the name of “Jewish safety.” They are being done on the basis of expressing support for terrorism organizations or activities and on foreign policy grounds which is the prerogative of the Secretary of State and/or AG. 

5. ⁠Separately, though no crime of “material” support of terrorism (or any other crime) is legally necessary to deport an alien, his distribution of pamphlets with Hamas iconography and language is “material” support (yes, producing and distributing documents is considered material support — look it up — just like other forms of “material” support like direct financial assistance). 

6. ⁠This is an open-and-shut case. At the removal hearing, the government will recite the above, and the judge will affirm that these recitations have been made. On the “foreign policy” grounds of 8 USC 1227 alone, Mahmoud Kahlil is deportable and the government’s declaration that his presence is contrary to foreign policy is non-reviewable. The judge is not entitled to second-guess this; the judge can only require that this invocation be made by the government, and indeed, this invocation will be made.

[Evil Penevil]

 

13 hours ago, Social Media said:

fighting for a pro-Hamas foreigner who has made life hell for Jews on campus?

 

9 hours ago, stevenl said:

Totally not true.

 

Which part are you claiming is not true:  1) Democrats are fighting for a pro=Hamas  foreigner; or 2) Mahmoud Khalil has made life hell for Jews on campus?  Or are you saying both are not true?

[riclag]

Constitutional expert & Professor A.Dershowitz draws the line .

Freedom of Speech and Conduct!

Say what you want but don’t engage in

Illegal  activities .

“Stopping students or impeding students access to a classroom”

is against the law!

Smart move to make 

it about conduct vs speech, the leftist  ACLU has no chance of protecting him

on his conduct .

 

 
 

[Evil Penevil]

 

14 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

Please share the "reasons" that a Green Card holder and the spouse of a U.S. citizen can be detained and deported without due process.

 

Mahmoud Khalil has received the due process to which a Green Card holder is entitled.  It's not the same due process which he, or any other resident in the U.S., would receive if they were facing criminal charges.  Due process is not identical in every situation.  Khalil is scheduled to appear before an immigration judge on March 27.

 

Here is a screen shot of the Notice to Appear that Khalil was given upon arrest:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/8a3cbff6-4589-43e1-8455-042fa9555e3c.pdf

 

 

One curious aspect of the case is that Khalil is listed as a citizen of Algeria!  According to numerous press reports, Khalil was born and raised in Syria.  Hs parrents were Palestinian refugees.  Under Syrian law, the children of Palestinians born in Syria aren't considered citizens of Syria.  Khalil is now 30 years old.  He studied at a university in Lebanon, then worked for a Syrian-American NGO.  In 2018 he become a local employee of the British embassy in Beirut and worked there until 2022, when he entered the U.S. to study at Columbia.

 

How and when did he become an Algerian citizen???  Maybe that is part of the reason his Green Card was revoked?