Russia Rejects Trump's Temporary Ukraine Ceasefire Offer

[candide]

50 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Destablished?  Nice one.

 

Trump reamed out NATO members about low national defence budgets at the NATO HQ about 6 or 7 years ago, during his first term. The contributions improved a bit but there was still significant apathy (but little money) from more than half of the NATO members until.... 2022..when Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine. Then, after that, in 2024, contributions from all NATO members had exceeded the long agreed 2% of GDP, for the first time.

 

The fact is that Trump was right. A shame that war had to break out before he was fully believed.

 

 

Actually, the commitment to reach the 2% level was made in 2014 (with a 2024 deadline) after the annexion of Crimea, under pressure from the Obama administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/us-nato-members-increase-defence-spending

 

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/09/05/remarks-president-obama-nato-summit-press-conference

 

Of course, without the invasion of Ukraine, NATO countries would have likely even more dragged their feet than they did.....

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, candide said:

One more Russian propaganda inspired post...

 

How so?

 

Does reading past the headline somehow make me a Putin-bot?

 

How is reading the actual text of the article YOU linked to "russian propaganda inspired"?

[candide]

1 minute ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

No confusion a'tall.

Martial law could be rescinded.

Elections could be held.

Easy-peasy, Azov squeezy!

Suuure! It's a perfectly sane decision to lift martial law while the country is attacked and bombed by Russia! That's laughable! 

[candide]

2 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

How so?

 

Does reading past the headline somehow make me a Putin-bot?

 

How is reading the actual text of the article YOU linked to "russian propaganda inspired"?

Which article did I link?

[NoDisplayName]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Suuure! It's a perfectly sane decision to lift martial law while the country is attacked and bombed by Russia! That's laughable! 

 

Referendums/elections were held in Donbass and Crimea while under bombardment by Nazis.

 

They managed.

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Actually, the commitment to reach the 2% level was made in 2014 (with a 2024 deadline) after the annexion of Crimea, under pressure from the Obama administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/us-nato-members-increase-defence-spending

 

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/09/05/remarks-president-obama-nato-summit-press-conference

 

Of course, without the invasion of Ukraine, NATO countries would have likely even more dragged their feet than they did.....

Obama, he sure loved him some Putin, yes? 

 

Remember in the Debate when Romney claimed Russian was the greatest geopolitical threat, and Obama scoffing and joking; Senator, the '80s called and want their foreign policy back. 

Remember Obama caught on a hot mike begging Putin for "space" until after the election in exchange for canceling missile defense, and Obama cancelling missile defense after he was reelected. 

Remember the "Russian Reset".

Remember Obama's refusal to sell defensive weapons to Ukraine.
Remember Obama did nothing in 2014 when Putin invaded and began the occupation of Crimea. 

 

Then Trump places sanctions on Russia. 
Then Trump kills 200 of Russia's Wagner Group mercenaries in Syria.
Then Trump begins shipping arms, including Javelin missiles to Ukraine. 

 

Now remember Biden cancelling sanctions on Russia, including those imposed by Trump to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden halting arms sales to Ukraine to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden's surrender debacle in Afghanistan, emboldening Putin. 
Now remember Biden saying that the US would not respond to Russia invading Ukraine, if it were only a minor invasion, further emboldening Putin. 

 

When did the left start caring about Ukraine anyways? The left seemed to care nothing about Ukraine until it became politically expedient for them to use in attacking Trump and to pretend Trump was a Russian asset. 

 

The American left would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace agreement negotiated by Trump. 

 

 

[NoDisplayName]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Which article did I link?

 

Ah, my misteak.

 

That was an article linked by Sharot, to which you commented as though you had bothered to read it.

 

What! MAGAs diffusing Russian lies! Who would have thought...

[rough diamond]

7 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

while under bombardment by Nazis.

Which "Nazis" and when?

[candide]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Obama, he sure loved him some Putin, yes? 

 

Remember in the Debate when Romney claimed Russian was the greatest geopolitical threat, and Obama scoffing and joking; Senator, the '80s called and want their foreign policy back. 

Remember Obama caught on a hot mike begging Putin for "space" until after the election in exchange for canceling missile defense, and Obama cancelling missile defense after he was reelected. 

Remember the "Russian Reset".

Remember Obama's refusal to sell defensive weapons to Ukraine.
Remember Obama did nothing in 2014 when Putin invaded and began the occupation of Crimea. 

 

Then Trump places sanctions on Russia. 
Then Trump kills 200 of Russia's Wagner Group mercenaries in Syria.
Then Trump begins shipping arms, including Javelin missiles to Ukraine. 

 

Now remember Biden cancelling sanctions on Russia, including those imposed by Trump to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden halting arms sales to Ukraine to gain favor with Putin. 
Now remember Biden's surrender debacle in Afghanistan, emboldening Putin. 
Now remember Biden saying that the US would not respond to Russia invading Ukraine, if it were only a minor invasion, further emboldening Putin. 

 

When did the left start caring about Ukraine anyways? The left seemed to care nothing about Ukraine until it became politically expedient for them to use in attacking Trump and to pretend Trump was a Russian asset. 

 

The American left would rather see every Ukrainian dead and half of Europe flattened than to see a peace agreement negotiated by Trump. 

 

 

I disagree with Obama's policy re. Russia at that time. Like others, he clearly underestimated the Russian threat.

 

BTW, at this time, Trump cheered the invasion of Crimea. 

[candide]

14 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Referendums/elections were held in Donbass and Crimea while under bombardment by Nazis.

 

They managed.

And these elections are not internationally recognised....

 

By the "Nazis"? More Russian propaganda from you, as expected! 

[connda]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Here is the fact.

 

Trump's actions weakened Ukraine, divided Nato and emboldened Putin to invade. Putin felt comfortable to launch the invasion after seeing the western allies destablished and weakened after Trump took Putin's side. Called him a genius and lead an anti-Ukraine smear campaign. He further weakened Ukraine by delaying arming Ukraine.

 

Can you handle the fact?

Here's the fact.

Russian is winning and there is nothing Ukraine, the EU, the UK, the US, or NATO can do about it short of nuclear war.
Other than that?  Russia will continue to grind away regardless of what NATO does conventionally. 

Fact:
Russia has won.
Ukraine has lost.  By extension, because Ukraine is simply NATO's proxy, then NATO has lost.

Admit defeat, accept Russia's terms as the victor, and get on with the process of rebuilding that which didn't need to be destroyed in the first place.  And mourn the needless deaths.  This could have all ended in April 2022, but the US and NATO wanted a proxy war with Russia.  They lost.

Russia isn't going to accept a ceasefire because it is winning.  Victor's don't stop, they fight on until the loser gives up. The Western press can whine, moan, and call Russia and Putin mean names which are then repeated ad nauseam by leaders of the EU, UK, NATO members, and the US. It doesn't matter.  They all can threaten Russia with more sanctions, Russia doesn't care.  They can all collectively howl at the moon and throw temper-tantrums, it doesn't matter. Russia will continue the grind forward.  If the US and Trump really want peace - start negotiating and forget "ceasefires" until a comprehensive treaty is ready to be signed - then - declare a armistice and cease hostilities based on the signed treaty.  Until then it is going to be business as usual for the Russians, and the Russian meat-grinder will continue to grind Ukrainian and NATO steak and turn it into hamburger.  That's "facts."

Of course we keep hearing, "Putin is going to invade Europe."
At the present rate of the forward momentum of its military, Russia should reach Paris in about 20 years. The "Russia is going to invade Europe" trope is fabricated bunk which is used by EU leaders to justify the continuation of hostilities with Russia, not vice versa. But hell, keep spewing that rhetorical nonsense.  It's amusing, but not fact based. But it could lead to a nuclear war provoked by the West. Of course, when you're dying of radiation poisoning or freezing to death in a nuclear winter, you can pat yourself on the back and rail on that Russia Caused The End Of the World.  At that point facts won't matter. Oh - and you're "leaders" will be deep underground in bunkers laughing at you and the rest of the commoners dying on the surface.  You know - surface scum. 

[Chomper Higgot]

39 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The organization was not "fractured". In fact it has become far better funded and stronger over the last 6 years.

 

If Putin was "emboldened", it was due to the disastrous US exit from Afghanistan. 

Put in place by Trump.

 

 

[candide]

7 minutes ago, connda said:

Here's the fact.

Russian is winning and there is nothing Ukraine, the EU, the UK, the US, or NATO can do about it short of nuclear war.
Other than that?  Russia will continue to grind away regardless of what NATO does conventionally. 

Fact:
Russia has won.
Ukraine has lost.  By extension, because Ukraine is simply NATO's proxy, then NATO has lost.

Admit defeat, accept Russia's terms as the victor, and get on with the process of rebuilding that which didn't need to be destroyed in the first place.  And mourn the needless deaths.  This could have all ended in April 2022, but the US and NATO wanted a proxy war with Russia.  They lost.

Russia isn't going to accept a ceasefire because it is winning.  Victor's don't stop, they fight on until the loser gives up. The Western press can whine, moan, and call Russia and Putin mean names which are then repeated ad nauseam by leaders of the EU, UK, NATO members, and the US. It doesn't matter.  They all can threaten Russia with more sanctions, Russia doesn't care.  They can all collectively howl at the moon and throw temper-tantrums, it doesn't matter. Russia will continue the grind forward.  If the US and Trump really want peace - start negotiating and forget "ceasefires" until a comprehensive treaty is ready to be signed - then - declare a armistice and cease hostilities based on the signed treaty.  Until then it is going to be business as usual for the Russians, and the Russian meat-grinder will continue to grind Ukrainian and NATO steak and turn it into hamburger.  That's "facts."

Of course we keep hearing, "Putin is going to invade Europe."
At the present rate of the forward momentum of its military, Russia should reach Paris in about 20 years. The "Russia is going to invade Europe" trope is fabricated bunk which is used by EU leaders to justify the continuation of hostilities with Russia, not vice versa. But hell, keep spewing that rhetorical nonsense.  It's amusing, but not fact based. But it could lead to a nuclear war provoked by the West. Of course, when you're dying of radiation poisoning or freezing to death in a nuclear winter, you can pat yourself on the back and rail on that Russia Caused The End Of the World.  At that point facts won't matter. Oh - and you're "leaders" will be deep underground in bunkers laughing at you and the rest of the commoners dying on the surface.  You know - surface scum. 

The nuclear war argument is a nonsense. Putin perfectly knows that if he does that, his country will be annihilated.

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Put in place by Trump.

 

 

Yeah, Biden was able to open the border and cancel every other Trump policy, fire all the Joint Chiefs, but he had to stick to Trump's Afghanistan policy. What a hoot you are. 

[johng]

16 minutes ago, connda said:

Russian is winning and there is nothing Ukraine, the EU, the UK, the US, or NATO can do about it short of nuclear war.

 

Very well put  and I agree with everything in that post 👍

[johng]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

his country will be annihilated.

 

As will his enemies.. MAD !!!

[candide]

3 minutes ago, johng said:

 

As will his enemies.. MAD !!!

That's why none of them (including Russia) will do it.

[sharot724]

53 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

No confusion a'tall.

Martial law could be rescinded.

Elections could be held.

Easy-peasy, Azov squeezy!

To please you and ya Vlad 

[Mike_Hunt]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Here is the fact.

 

Trump's actions weakened Ukraine, divided Nato and emboldened Putin to invade. Putin felt comfortable to launch the invasion after seeing the western allies destablished and weakened after Trump took Putin's side. Called him a genius and lead an anti-Ukraine smear campaign. He further weakened Ukraine by delaying arming Ukraine.

 

Can you handle the fact?

Cool story bro.  But this is BS. 

[spidermike007]

This does not come as a surprise, why would this warmongering genocidal super freak voluntarily commit to stop the killing for the next month? He would be absolutely bored without a war.

 

This puts Trump in a difficult position since he always kisses up to King Vlad, and now we get to see whether or not the man has any courage at all .

[jas007]

On 3/13/2025 at 6:53 PM, Social Media said:

 

A senior Kremlin official rejected the idea of a temporary ceasefire, as proposed by U.S. President Donald Trump's administration, saying Russia was only interested in a long-term resolution of the Ukraine conflict, Russian media reported. Yuri Ushakov, an aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin, gave an interview to the Russia-1 TV channel.

 

"We believe that our goal is a long-term peaceful settlement, we strive for this, a peaceful settlement that takes into account the legitimate interests of our country, our well-known concerns," Ushakov said, Interfax reported. "It seems to me that no one needs any steps that imitate peaceful actions in this situation."

 

Ukashov said Putin may speak today on "more specific and substantive assessments" around the ceasefire proposal, Meduza reported. The U.S. and Ukraine agreed on a 30-day ceasefire plan during their talks in Saudi Arabia. The Trump Administration is now taking that proposal to the Russians.

 

Trump wants to see a quick peace in Ukraine. He has criticized the vast destruction and loss of life, as well as the huge cost to American taxpayers of backing Ukraine's defense.

 

Based on a report by Newsweek  2025-03-14

 

 

 If it wasn't on this thread it was on another.  This is nothing new at all for Putin.  It's exactly what he has been saying all along.  No ceasefire until Russia is assured of a lasting peace, including assurances that there will be. no NATO in Ukraine.  It wants assurances that its existential strategic interests are protected.   I presume it's Rubio that's the problem here.  His "shuttle diplomacy" between Ukraine and Russia, coupled with the fact that he's probably unduly influencing Trump, has the whole process at an impasse.  

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This does not come as a surprise, why would this warmongering genocidal super freak voluntarily commit to stop the killing for the next month? He would be absolutely bored without a war.

 

This puts Trump in a difficult position since he always kisses up to King Vlad, and now we get to see whether or not the man has any courage at all .

What is your ridiculous claim that Trump kisses up to Putin based on? 

Trump placing sanctions on Russia that Biden lifted? 
Trump killing 200 of Russia's Wagner Group mercenaries in Syria? 
Trump starting arms shipments, including Javelin missiles to Ukraine, that Biden canceled? 

Trump jawboning NATO to meet their arms requirements? 

 Trump jawboning NATO to stop buying energy from Russia? 

 

Come on now, what is it? 

 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

31 minutes ago, candide said:

That's why none of them (including Russia) will do it.

But you said he was a madman. Now he's not? Or he is a rational madman? Liberal logic rearing it's head again🤣

[NoDisplayName]

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Liberal logic rearing it's head again🤣

 

Clear enough to be seen from your back porch in Alaska.

[nauseus]

11 minutes ago, candide said:

Actually, the commitment to reach the 2% level was made in 2014 (with a 2024 deadline) after the annexion of Crimea, under pressure from the Obama administration.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/us-nato-members-increase-defence-spending

 

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/09/05/remarks-president-obama-nato-summit-press-conference

 

Of course, without the invasion of Ukraine, NATO countries would have likely even more dragged their feet than they did.....

 

The commitment to reach the 2% level was made in 2014 because the similar one in 2006 got nowhere!

 

But yes, without Ukraine (Russia) they'd probably still be a$sing about.

[candide]

18 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

But you said he was a madman. Now he's not? Or he is a rational madman? Liberal logic rearing it's head again🤣

You are making stuff up again. I never said he's a madman.

[SunnyinBangrak]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

You are making stuff up again. I never said he's a madman.

😅classic! This was literally the lefts position. The war was due to Putin being a madman. Now you finally admit he is not? Priceless! Next you will admit there was provocation. Hard to keep up with the hivemind changing positions so fast.

[candide]

29 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 If it wasn't on this thread it was on another.  This is nothing new at all for Putin.  It's exactly what he has been saying all along.  No ceasefire until Russia is assured of a lasting peace, including assurances that there will be. no NATO in Ukraine.  It wants assurances that its existential strategic interests are protected.   I presume it's Rubio that's the problem here.  His "shuttle diplomacy" between Ukraine and Russia, coupled with the fact that he's probably unduly influencing Trump, has the whole process at an impasse.  

In other words, he wants to be able to invade Ukraine again later.....🙂

[jas007]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

In other words, he wants to be able to invade Ukraine again later.....🙂

 I wouldn't put it quite that way, but yes.  If Russia's existential strategic interests are ever threatened for any reason, then Russia would of course counter those threats. 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, candide said:

I disagree with Obama's policy re. Russia at that time. Like others, he clearly underestimated the Russian threat.

 

BTW, at this time, Trump cheered the invasion of Crimea. 

 

cheery link please...