Russia Rejects Trump's Temporary Ukraine Ceasefire Offer

[candide]

  18 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

😅classic! This was literally the lefts position. The war was due to Putin being a madman. Now you finally admit he is not? Priceless! Next you will admit there was provocation. Hard to keep up with the hivemind changing positions so fast.

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Still making more stuff up! 😆

I never said he was a madman. I never believed his nuclear threats.

 

BTW, It's mainly MAGAs who continuously claimed that Biden's policies would trigger WW3 and nuclear winter. 

[candide]

  18 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

cheery link please...

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https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

[bannork]

  19 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Referendums/elections were held in Donbass and Crimea while under bombardment by Nazis.

 

They managed.

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You mean when soldiers went round to people's houses ordering them to vote ?

And now the Russian authorities force the locals to accept a Russian passport.

[Yellowtail]

  18 hours ago, candide said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

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Already debunked 

[RayC]

  19 hours ago, connda said:

Here's the fact.

Russian is winning and there is nothing Ukraine, the EU, the UK, the US, or NATO can do about it short of nuclear war.
Other than that?  Russia will continue to grind away regardless of what NATO does conventionally. 

Fact:
Russia has won.
Ukraine has lost.  By extension, because Ukraine is simply NATO's proxy, then NATO has lost.

Admit defeat, accept Russia's terms as the victor, and get on with the process of rebuilding that which didn't need to be destroyed in the first place.  And mourn the needless deaths.  This could have all ended in April 2022, but the US and NATO wanted a proxy war with Russia.  They lost.

Russia isn't going to accept a ceasefire because it is winning.  Victor's don't stop, they fight on until the loser gives up. The Western press can whine, moan, and call Russia and Putin mean names which are then repeated ad nauseam by leaders of the EU, UK, NATO members, and the US. It doesn't matter.  They all can threaten Russia with more sanctions, Russia doesn't care.  They can all collectively howl at the moon and throw temper-tantrums, it doesn't matter. Russia will continue the grind forward.  If the US and Trump really want peace - start negotiating and forget "ceasefires" until a comprehensive treaty is ready to be signed - then - declare a armistice and cease hostilities based on the signed treaty.  Until then it is going to be business as usual for the Russians, and the Russian meat-grinder will continue to grind Ukrainian and NATO steak and turn it into hamburger.  That's "facts."

Of course we keep hearing, "Putin is going to invade Europe."
At the present rate of the forward momentum of its military, Russia should reach Paris in about 20 years. The "Russia is going to invade Europe" trope is fabricated bunk which is used by EU leaders to justify the continuation of hostilities with Russia, not vice versa. But hell, keep spewing that rhetorical nonsense.  It's amusing, but not fact based. But it could lead to a nuclear war provoked by the West. Of course, when you're dying of radiation poisoning or freezing to death in a nuclear winter, you can pat yourself on the back and rail on that Russia Caused The End Of the World.  At that point facts won't matter. Oh - and you're "leaders" will be deep underground in bunkers laughing at you and the rest of the commoners dying on the surface.  You know - surface scum. 

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Unfortunately there may be some truth in what you say. Russia may well end up as the victor.

 

However, you are completely incorrect regarding the catalyst for this war.  It has nothing to do with the US and NATO wanting a poxy war with Russia, and everything to do with Russia wanted to prevent Ukraine moving towards the West. 

 

Victor Yanukovych was elected on a platform which sought EU membership. As a first step towards this, Ukraine was to enter into an Association Agreement with the EU and legislation was passed by the Ukrainian parliament to effect this Agreement. However, Yanukovych - under pressure from Moscow - refused to sign the Agreement and, instead decided to pursue stronger economic ties with Russia. There was a public outcry over this which led to the Maiden protests and the overthrow of Yanukovych.

 

There can be no doubt that if matters had been left to run their natural course after Yanukovych's removal that Ukraine would have forged ever closer ties with the West in general, and the EU in particular. This was unacceptable to Putin and he ordered the invasion - and subsequent annexation of Crimea - on the pretext that the invading Russian forces were no more than 'peace keepers'.

 

Only one nation - Russia - and in all likelihood one person - Putin - bears responsibility for this war.

[connda]

Instead of just going immediately to calling Putin names, try listening to his rationale which is rational. 2+ minute video of Putin discussing the ceasefire and his issues with the Rubio proposal.

https://news.sky.com/story/vladimir-putin-says-he-agrees-to-ukraine-ceasefire-proposal-but-lots-of-questions-remain-13327903

[nauseus]

  18 hours ago, candide said:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/26/politics/trump-putin-ukraine/index.html

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Cheery...not CNNery

[connda]

  19 hours ago, candide said:

The nuclear war argument is a nonsense. Putin perfectly knows that if he does that, his country will be annihilated.

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Fools like you don't understand MAD.  Everybody dies.  "Who launched first" and "Why" is meaningless. "his country will be annihilated."  The entire world will be annihilated.

"Well that's just nonsense.  Blah blah blah."

F-o-o-l

[bannork]

  15 hours ago, connda said:

Fools like you don't understand MAD.  Everybody dies.  "Who launched first" and "Why" is meaningless. "his country will be annihilated."  The entire world will be annihilated.

"Well that's just nonsense.  Blah blah blah."

F-o-o-l

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Farangs in Thailand will be okay, but pensions will cease so you better have a farm. Sticky rice, farmyard chickens and somtam. Perfect so long as folks brew their own beer.

[still kicking]

  14 hours ago, bannork said:

Farangs in Thailand will be okay, but pensions will cease so you better have a farm. Sticky rice, farmyard chickens and somtam. Perfect so long as folks brew their own beer.

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And I was sure brewing your own beer is illegal in Thailand 

[bannork]

  14 hours ago, still kicking said:

And I was sure brewing your own beer is illegal in Thailand 

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After Armageddon, the Thais may feel sorry for the destitute farangs. 

[candide]

  15 hours ago, connda said:

Fools like you don't understand MAD.  Everybody dies.  "Who launched first" and "Why" is meaningless. "his country will be annihilated."  The entire world will be annihilated.

"Well that's just nonsense.  Blah blah blah."

F-o-o-l

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Talking about blah blah.....

[thaibeachlovers]

  On 3/14/2025 at 1:17 AM, JimHuaHin said:

Naturally, why should Putin compromise when he thinks he is in a winning position, just like Hitler in mid 1944? 

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Wrong year. More like April 1940.

[sharot724]

Level headed joke about ending a war where millions are now dead.

 

Trump says he was being 'sarcastic' when he promised to end the war in 24 hours

[sharot724]

Marco bad for you makes you look weak. 

[sharot724]

Go get em Boss!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/prepared-for-the-worst-russia-s-bold-message-on-trump/ss-AA1AWw8s

‘Prepared for the Worst’: Russia’s Bold Message on Trump

‘Prepared for the Worst’: Russia’s Bold Message on Trump

[Mike_Hunt]

  18 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This does not come as a surprise, why would this warmongering genocidal super freak voluntarily commit to stop the killing for the next month? He would be absolutely bored without a war.

 

This puts Trump in a difficult position since he always kisses up to King Vlad, and now we get to see whether or not the man has any courage at all .

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Three years later Putin probably wants an  out without losing face.  

[steven100]

  18 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This does not come as a surprise, why would this warmongering genocidal super freak voluntarily commit to stop the killing for the next month? He would be absolutely bored without a war.

 

This puts Trump in a difficult position since he always kisses up to King Vlad, and now we get to see whether or not the man has any courage at all .

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agree  .....    what will Trump do now?   will he demand Putin stop or he'll take military action or does he lose face and let Putin continue.  

[sharot724]

OMG Vlad your dreaming and it is time to wake up!

 

 

 

[jas007]

  8 hours ago, sharot724 said:

OMG Vlad your dreaming and it is time to wake up!

 

 

 

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That's probably how it's going to be.  And Zelenskyy surrenders. 

 

[sharot724]

  8 hours ago, jas007 said:

That's probably how it's going to be.  And Zelenskyy surrenders. 

 

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Sell that to anyone and good luck trying 

[sharot724]

  8 hours ago, jas007 said:

That's probably how it's going to be.  And Zelenskyy surrenders. 

 

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More likely than Rubio accepting Vlad

https://www.nelli.ee/estonian-security-expert-putin-fears-30-day-peace---it-could-create-the-possibility-of-a-mutiny-in-his-army

[steven100]

  8 hours ago, sharot724 said:

OMG Vlad your dreaming and it is time to wake up!

 

 

 

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Putin,    your tests results have just come back.    Score  0 - out of 10 

 

 

[fasteddie]

  On 3/13/2025 at 6:31 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

Russia attacked Ukraine for no reason. 

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No reason? 😂 Do try to keep up.

[bannork]

  7 hours ago, fasteddie said:

No reason? 😂 Do try to keep up.

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Reason-to extend Russian sphere of influence/ empire in spite of this concept being rejected by the majority of the population.

[Mike_Hunt]

  7 hours ago, fasteddie said:

No reason? 😂 Do try to keep up.

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No real reason. 

[Mike_Hunt]

  8 hours ago, sharot724 said:

OMG Vlad your dreaming and it is time to wake up!

 

 

 

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This is comical. 

[Eric Loh]

Putin wore his army fatigues for the first time since the invasion. That is a symbolic gesture that the war that he launched will go on. We can expect the ceasefire proposal to procrastinate with no agreement by Russia for a long time. Putin will keep piling on with unreasonable demands. Trump will lose patience and interest in pursuing the peace plan. Some other powerful country will likely to step in 

[Mike_Hunt]

  18 hours ago, jas007 said:

 If it wasn't on this thread it was on another.  This is nothing new at all for Putin.  It's exactly what he has been saying all along.  No ceasefire until Russia is assured of a lasting peace, including assurances that there will be. no NATO in Ukraine.  It wants assurances that its existential strategic interests are protected.   I presume it's Rubio that's the problem here.  His "shuttle diplomacy" between Ukraine and Russia, coupled with the fact that he's probably unduly influencing Trump, has the whole process at an impasse.  

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Putin wants lasting peace.  Yet, he keeps on starting wars.   

 

What a joke. 

[Mike_Hunt]

  6 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Putin wore his army fatigues for the first time since the invasion. That is a symbolic gesture that the war that he launched will go on. We can expect the ceasefire proposal to procrastinate with no agreement by Russia for a long time. Putin will keep piling on with unreasonable demands. Trump will lose patience and interest in pursuing the peace plan. Some other powerful country will likely to step in 

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It's time for the West to get their act together and burry Russia.