Portugal nixes F35 order cos of trump

[Bannoi]

Turkey just signed a contract for 40 Eurofighter Typhoons and Meteor air -to-air missiles no longer interested in F35's.

 

Trump is losing America not only friends and allies but customers as well.

 

Trump may well think that America can do withoutcustomers outside America but the companies and workers that produce the goods sure as hell do.

[impulse]

Meanwhile, in the least prosperous country in Western Europe:

 

Portugal, Western Europe’s least affluent nation, is on the brink of yet another government shake-up, fueled largely by rising discontent over immigration. The country has become a magnet for digital nomads and affluent expatriates, leading to surging living costs and growing support for the far-right.  

 

Maybe they just can't afford them any more?

 

 

[JAG]

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

I'm sure we'll make up for it, we're behind on F-35 orders anyway. It's not like the world needs Portugal to fight any battles.

Possibly you need it's (Portugal's) cash, and that of other countries, to facilitate the programme to build what is a ridiculously expensive aircraft, which has very high maintenance requirements demanding extensive and vulnerable ground facilities. It is very difficult to imagine why a small country on the edge of the Iberian Peninsula needs them anyway.

 

[impulse]

47 minutes ago, JAG said:

Possibly you need it's (Portugal's) cash, and that of other countries, to facilitate the programme to build what is a ridiculously expensive aircraft, which has very high maintenance requirements demanding extensive and vulnerable ground facilities. It is very difficult to imagine why a small country on the edge of the Iberian Peninsula needs them anyway.

 

So what you're saying is that it's not probably really about Trump?

 

[JAG]

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So what you're saying is that it's not really about Trump?

 

 

It may come as a surprise, I grant you, but it is possible that every decision made away from the United States is not about Mr Trump.

 

Mind you, the thought that the United States, under Mr Trump, is perhaps not the most reliable of allies may have weighed upon the decision.

[impulse]

8 minutes ago, JAG said:

It may come as a surprise, I grant you, but it is possible that every decision made away from the United States is not about Mr Trump.

 

Mind you, the thought that the United States, under Mr Trump, is perhaps not the most reliable of allies may have weighed upon the decision.

 

That's not what the OP titles say.  Nor the lefties crying in almost every single thread in this section.  Even the threads about problems in Europe and Asia are Trump's fault.

 

TBH, it's gotten rather tedious.  And sad.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, SpaceKadet said:

Yes, L+M specifically, but watch this space. Germany are already talking to get out of the deal. 

All Euro nations will be better off with JAS-39. The most advanced fighter jet currently available.

 

F**k F-35, useless and expensive piece of Sh*t.

That's my impression of the F35. Probably OK against an enemy that can't defend itself, but is that going to always be the case?

Portugal may be making the right decision for the wrong reasons.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, impulse said:

TBH, it's gotten rather tedious.  And sad.

Very, very sad. Millions of pixels whining about Trump.

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Very, very sad. Millions of pixels whining about Trump.

 

I wonder how many times you can post a photo of the same billboard before you have to pay royalties?

 

[Purdey]

Cancelling planes is serious for any country that makes a lot of income from military equipment. If other countries drop orders for a broader range of military equipment this could become worrying. After all, eggs are not a large portion of the export economy.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Bannoi said:

Turkey just signed a contract for 40 Eurofighter Typhoons and Meteor air -to-air missiles no longer interested in F35's.

 

Trump is losing America not only friends and allies but customers as well.

 

Trump may well think that America can do withoutcustomers outside America but the companies and workers that produce the goods sure as hell do.

It's more likely that they were "interested" for political reasons and now that it's OK to attack Trump, they saw an opportunity to blame him for not wanting the F35. If it was the best out there, they would probably buy them anyway.

 

Trump may well think that America can do withoutcustomers outside America but the companies and workers that produce the goods sure as hell do.

 

If the plane was as good as the US pretends it is, would they buy an inferior product just because of someone going to be gone in 4 years?

If they want to sell the plane, they should make a better one. Boeing 737 and now F35- what's happened to US plane makers?

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Cancelling planes is serious for any country that makes a lot of income from military equipment. If other countries drop orders for a broader range of military equipment this could become worrying. After all, eggs are not a large portion of the export economy.

 

But they're not.  They're cancelling a bloated, over-expensive plane that's years behind in scheduling deliveries.

 

It's like if I cancelled that pizza I ordered to watch the game 2 hours ago, then blamed it on Trump.  No.  It's not Trump.  The game's over and my buddies already left.

 

[CANSIAM]

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Boycott the USA. There seems to be no other way.

Lookin like it's underway........     

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If they want to sell the plane, they should make a better one. Boeing 737 and now F35- what's happened to US plane makers?

 

That phenomenon goes a long way to explaining why Trump won, why he appointed Hegseth and why Hegseth has invited DOGE into the Pentagon.

 

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, JAG said:

It is very difficult to imagine why a small country on the edge of the Iberian Peninsula needs them anyway.

Sort of a waste of money. They could just lower taxes instead. 

[Yagoda]

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

 

Carney Reviews Canada’s Order of F-35 Jets Amid Rift With US

The C$19 billion ($13.2 billion) deal for 88 F-35s to replace Canada’s aging warplane fleet was finalized in 2023, with Lockheed beating out Saab AB and Boeing Co. in the contest. It’s divided into tranches and Canada has made a legal commitment of funds for the first 16 jets.

The deal hasn’t been canceled, but Canada needs to “make sure that the contract in its current form is in the best interests of Canadians and the Canadian Armed Forces,” the spokesman added.

https://archive.ph/6AgNU#selection-1897.0-1923.190

 

So, 88 fighter jets  minus 16  fighter jets= 72 fighter jets that most likely won't get bought. "hahahahahahahah"

Its OK. They are going to be part of the US soon anyway.

[placeholder]

49 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Its OK. They are going to be part of the US soon anyway.

 

That's the kind of talk that helped revive the Liberals' moribund prospects for the next Canadian election. They should send you and your like thank-you messages.

 

 

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

That's the kind of talk that helped revive the Liberals' moribund prospects for the next Canadian election. They should send you and your like thank-you messages.

 

 

The next election they have might be for Governor and the state legislature.

[placeholder]

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The next election they have might be for Governor and the state legislature.

And if that happens, the people who are going to be most sorry are the Republicans. The reason that Conservatives have a shot in Canada is because of the Parliamentary system and the first-past-the-post way of doing their elections. The 4 main parties in Canada are the Conservatives, the Liberals, NDP, and the Parti Quebecois.  3 out of the 4 are basically liberal in their orientation.  Conservatives historically have garnered about 35% of the vote on average.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/trump-wants-canada-as-51st-us-state-why-this-would-be-disastrous-for-republicans-13850544.html

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

And if that happens, the people who are going to be most sorry are the Republicans. The reason that Conservatives have a shot in Canada is because of the Parliamentary system and the first-past-the-post way of doing their elections. The 4 main parties in Canada are the Conservatives, the Liberals, NDP, and the Parti Quebecois.  3 out of the 4 are basically liberal in their orientation.  Conservatives historically have garnered about 35% of the vote on average.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/trump-wants-canada-as-51st-us-state-why-this-would-be-disastrous-for-republicans-13850544.html

Keep your mantras up trump trying to make yourself feel better. trump  Hard isnt it. Always that name in your head trump. 

[Skunkfarben]

15 hours ago, SpaceKadet said:

It's not about being behind or Portugal fighting battles. This is a real loss to the USA "Portugal aimed to invest €5.5 billion over the next 20 years to transition to this new generation of aircraft."

https://mil.in.ua/en/news/unpredictability-of-usa-portugal-rules-out-f-35-fighter-purchase/

 

5.5 billion € is nothing. Over ten years is bigger nothing. I'm sure Trump not sleeping all night

[placeholder]

12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Keep your mantras up trump trying to make yourself feel better. trump  Hard isnt it. Always that name in your head trump. 

A sure sign that someone's got nothing is when they make it personal. You've got nothing.

[Yagoda]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

A sure sign that someone's got nothing is when they make it personal. You've got nothing.

I may have nothing, but you have Trump in your head.

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

I may have nothing, but you have Trump in your head.

Thanks for the compounded stupidity.

[transam]

Just now, Yagoda said:

I may have nothing, but you have Trump in your head.

Hey, you are active in every Trump thread, pot/kettle, but you are right about you have nothing.....🥴

[Yagoda]

17 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for the compounded stupidity.

Your welcome. I try to keep it on your level.

[Yagoda]

17 minutes ago, transam said:

Hey, you are active in every Trump thread, pot/kettle, but you are right about you have nothing.....🥴

And you stalk me in every topic to spew infantile one line nonsense . You have YDS?

[transam]

Just now, Yagoda said:

And you stalk me in every topic to spew infantile one line nonsense . You have YDS?

So, I am in every thread you are in, hmmmm, could it be that I am replying to your posts, which is what a forum is all about.

Your,"infantile" is your opinion to replies you get, but then, most replies you give to members is infantile when you have nothing.....

I have no idea what YDS is, nor does Google, so please try again, it may be interesting....🤔

[scorecard]

17 hours ago, Yagoda said:

I'm sure we'll make up for it, we're behind on F-35 orders anyway. It's not like the world needs Portugal to fight any battles.

 

Perhaps Portugal is gearing up big time to play a stronger role is supporting Ukraine?

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

And if that happens, the people who are going to be most sorry are the Republicans. The reason that Conservatives have a shot in Canada is because of the Parliamentary system and the first-past-the-post way of doing their elections. The 4 main parties in Canada are the Conservatives, the Liberals, NDP, and the Parti Quebecois.  3 out of the 4 are basically liberal in their orientation.  Conservatives historically have garnered about 35% of the vote on average.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/trump-wants-canada-as-51st-us-state-why-this-would-be-disastrous-for-republicans-13850544.html

 

In this case what does Liberal mean?

 

Why do I ask? because Liberal now seems to have several quite different interpretations.