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Portugal nixes F35 order cos of trump


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  On 3/15/2025 at 7:40 PM, Bannoi said:

Turkey just signed a contract for 40 Eurofighter Typhoons and Meteor air -to-air missiles no longer interested in F35's.

 

Trump is losing America not only friends and allies but customers as well.

 

Trump may well think that America can do withoutcustomers outside America but the companies and workers that produce the goods sure as hell do.

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The US kicked Turkey out of the F35 program years ago. Just recently the Turks were trying to get back in. But they were not part of the program anyway. https://www.ekathimerini.com/politics/foreign-policy/1261246/f-35-window-opens-again-for-turkey/

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  On 3/15/2025 at 12:42 PM, Ben Zioner said:

Who can brick them anytime he likes. 

 

F35 is a system.

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That's the main issue. Countries equipped with F-35 are at the mercy of the U.S. if they want to use it. It may not brick them but at least degrade the system by not providing updates.

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  On 3/16/2025 at 7:00 AM, 3NUMBAS said:

There are worry’s the US won’t share the source code for the F35 ,whereas Sweden is happy to share the source code for its planes,,

 

 

it’s an easy choice now 

 

avoid Villain trump at all costs

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Didn't Sweden just sell a bunch of fighters to Thailand? We all know that once something gets into Thailand, it also goes straight to China. That's why the US refused to give Thailand F35s and only wanted to allow them to have relatively safely controlled avionics in updated F16s. China will end up with all the information on vulnerabilities of Swedish jets before most of the European customers ever get delivery.

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Countries with nuclear sharing agreement under NATO, such as Germany, ordered F-35 because it was the only new generation fighter certified to carry U.S. nuclear bombs. On this aspect, they may well become useless.

 

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/amid-transatlantic-rift-germany-fears-for-its-f-35-order/?amp

 

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/german-policymakers-concerned-american-kill-switch-disable-f35

 

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  On 3/16/2025 at 7:54 AM, SLOWHAND225 said:


Not  America, Boeing is the manufacturer and Portugal should consider themselves lucky. The F35 is a smoldering pile of junk given the cost. 

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Ask the Iranian Air Defense Commanders and the manufacturers of the Russian AD systems.

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  On 3/16/2025 at 7:54 AM, SLOWHAND225 said:


Not  America, Boeing is the manufacturer and Portugal should consider themselves lucky. The F35 is a smoldering pile of junk given the cost. 

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If that's the case, and it's not a loss for America, I guess you believe that the balance of payments and the loss of US jobs doesn't matter. So why exactly is Trump imposing tariffs?

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  On 3/16/2025 at 7:18 AM, John Drake said:

 

Didn't Sweden just sell a bunch of fighters to Thailand? We all know that once something gets into Thailand, it also goes straight to China. That's why the US refused to give Thailand F35s and only wanted to allow them to have relatively safely controlled avionics in updated F16s. China will end up with all the information on vulnerabilities of Swedish jets before most of the European customers ever get delivery.

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Yeah, but Chinese already have all the secrets of the F-35 and F-22. Just look at their stealth fighters. Chenese J-20 looks just like the American F-22.

All those guest Chinese engineers working for Boeing and L-M just took all the secret papers and went home.

China already says they have tech to detect F-35. Just billions of USD lost for useless research...

 

As soon as new stealth tech is developed, a new way to detect it will be found. Never ending story.

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Trump or no Trump, the F35a is a piece of junk for any non US buyer. The plane can be sort of put OffLine from the USA, and one has to constantly shell out billions for regular upgrades and updates. 

 

A sort of Apple and Microsoft style business plan !! 

 

As much as I may dislike Europe and the EU policies, if I was to decide, I would definately go for a European made,  fighter plane.

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  On 3/16/2025 at 10:57 AM, bubblegum said:

Clever Thailand going for the Swedish Gripen.

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Thailand had 12 Gripens since 2011, well, 11 now since one splashed a few years ago, based in Surat Thani.

Excellent choice for a country like Thailand.

 

Such a beautiful aircraft! Russia, beware!

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