Popular Post Social Media Posted 12 hours ago Popular Post Posted 12 hours ago The Labour government, under Angela Rayner’s direction, is making yet another attempt to establish a working definition of "Islamophobia." To lead this initiative, Rayner has enlisted former Conservative Dominic Grieve, who claims that this effort will help define the term and promote "positive change" in Britain. But this commission, like its predecessors, is doomed to fail. The reality is that Britain already has robust laws protecting all citizens from abuse and criminal acts, regardless of their religion. Vandalizing a mosque is as illegal as vandalizing any other building. Harassing or harming someone is already a punishable offense. Moreover, the broad category of “non-crime hate incidents” has allowed law enforcement to investigate individuals simply for expressing controversial opinions online. Yet, those advocating for a definition of Islamophobia are not seeking equal protection under the law—they want special protection for one particular religion. Imagine if the government undertook a similar effort to define “Catholic-ophobia.” People would rightly question why a specific faith deserved unique legal safeguards. Such a move would create an atmosphere where politicians, journalists, and ordinary citizens would hesitate to criticize the Catholic Church or its followers. If someone were to joke about Catholic priests, they might fear legal consequences. This is the type of chilling effect that an Islamophobia law would create. Since the 1989 fatwa against Salman Rushdie, British writers have known that criticizing Islam comes with unique risks. Now, the government seeks to formalize this censorship. Would acknowledging that some British Muslims supported the attack on Rushdie be considered Islamophobic? What about discussing the fact that, in 2015, a survey showed that 27 percent of British Muslims had “some sympathy” for the motives behind the Charlie Hebdo massacre? These are uncomfortable realities, but silencing discussion about them does not serve democracy. The issue extends beyond legislation. London has recently seen grand celebrations for Ramadan, with Mayor Sadiq Khan proudly stating that he never imagined the city would embrace Ramadan lights in the same way it celebrates Christmas. While some view this as progress, others may question whether such overt religious displays alter the cultural identity of the capital. Expressing such concerns could soon be labeled as Islamophobic. Similarly, football matches now pause so Muslim players can break their fast during Ramadan. If Catholic players insisted on stopping games for religious observance, would the public be expected to accept this as normal? The push for an Islamophobia definition is not about equality—it’s about granting special privileges to one group at the expense of free expression. Islam already enjoys protections through societal fear and unspoken rules. Muslims, like all citizens, are covered by existing anti-discrimination and hate crime laws. This commission will fail, as others have before, but the true danger lies in what its success would mean: a loss of free speech and the introduction of state-sanctioned religious privilege. Based on a report by The Times 2025-03-20 1 4
Watawattana Posted 10 hours ago Posted 10 hours ago What a waste of time and money. About as needed as semitism or catholicism definitions. 2
Popular Post mikeymike100 Posted 10 hours ago Popular Post Posted 10 hours ago " Muslims, like all citizens, are covered by existing anti-discrimination and hate crime law" Why are the UK government trying to push this ludicrous initiative? It would mean only Islam would have 'privileged class' protection? It stink to high heaven! 5
Popular Post Hatari fan Posted 10 hours ago Popular Post Posted 10 hours ago To call mistrust or dislike of Islam Islamaphobia is ridiculous when we see on the news daily of Islamists killing non believers in both Europe Middle East and Africa, it is obviously not a phobia it is a rational fear. 2 1 1 1 6
Popular Post JonnyF Posted 10 hours ago Popular Post Posted 10 hours ago Totally unnecessary, we already have the laws in place and do not need a special one for Muslims. Strange how she never focuses on anti-semitism given it's meteroric rise in the UK. Oh actually, she's Labour so that isn't strange at all. 1 3
Popular Post jippytum Posted 9 hours ago Popular Post Posted 9 hours ago Ther is Already too mich consideration for the islamic faith in the Uk. Muslims aready have their own Sharia courts. This nonsense must stop. 1 1 1 2
Scouse123 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 50 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Totally unnecessary, we already have the laws in place and do not need a special one for Muslims. Strange how she never focuses on anti-semitism given it's meteroric rise in the UK. Oh actually, she's Labour so that isn't strange at all. Absolutely right. You only need to go to a Labour conference or gathering and see the Palestinian flags getting waved. Do the Muslims want to give special status to gays? Not on your life! A despicable religion which only goes in one direction - Theirs! 1 2
Popular Post Scouse123 Posted 9 hours ago Popular Post Posted 9 hours ago 5 minutes ago, jippytum said: Ther is Already too mich consideration for the islamic faith in the Uk. Muslims aready have their own Sharia courts. This nonsense must stop. These shariah courts should be shut and outlawed. We cannot pander to Muslims and allow them to operate a dual legal system to suit them. Would they allow us to do it in any Muslim country? 1 4
JAG Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, mikeymike100 said: " Muslims, like all citizens, are covered by existing anti-discrimination and hate crime law" Why are the UK government trying to push this ludicrous initiative? It would mean only Islam would have 'privileged class' protection? It stink to high heaven! Votes, more particularly, votes in certain seats, significantly Labour " heartland" seats which have a high Muslim population. These communities continue the "tribal political traditions" of the country, (let us not mince around the topic - Pakistan) from which they come. A relatively small number of "leaders" control voting patterns through the clan and extended family systems, aided by extensive use and manipulation of postal voting. On of the "side effects" of the last election was the emergence, and some success, of independent "Muslim" candidates. Previously the block vote had gone to Labour, now it is not so reliable. They (Labour) are worried. 1
Lacessit Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago I don't see why Muslims should have special laws. That's discrimination. I especially don't see why any religion should get taxpayer funds to school children to believe in something whose existence cannot be proved. IMO that is child abuse.
James105 Posted 9 hours ago Posted 9 hours ago 1 hour ago, mikeymike100 said: " Muslims, like all citizens, are covered by existing anti-discrimination and hate crime law" Why are the UK government trying to push this ludicrous initiative? It would mean only Islam would have 'privileged class' protection? It stink to high heaven! Why indeed? Considering how much power Islam has over the government, police and judiciary at just 7-10% or so, one can only imagine how much control they will have when they reach 20-30% of the population. Since Labour was able to get into power with a landslide victory with just 20% of the electorate voting for them it does not take Nostradamus to predict the demise of the UK into an Islamic controlled state will occur much sooner than expected. I have pretty much given up on my home country taking the radical action needed to prevent this inevitability. 2
Bday Prang Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago We need special laws to keep those in the UK under control, and other laws to keep the rest of them out.
Bday Prang Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 7 minutes ago, James105 said: Why indeed? Considering how much power Islam has over the government, police and judiciary at just 7-10% or so, one can only imagine how much control they will have when they reach 20-30% of the population. Since Labour was able to get into power with a landslide victory with just 20% of the electorate voting for them it does not take Nostradamus to predict the demise of the UK into an Islamic controlled state will occur much sooner than expected. I have pretty much given up on my home country taking the radical action needed to prevent this inevitability. It is obvious to any normal person what will happen, indeed its already happening, its a work in progress.The point of no return was reached years ago, there is absolutely nothing that can be done to stop it now! It will progress logarithmically, first muzzer PM within 10 years for sure, probably a tame one at first, then watch things really accelerate . 1
Bday Prang Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 35 minutes ago, Lacessit said: I don't see why Muslims should have special laws. That's discrimination. I especially don't see why any religion should get taxpayer funds to school children to believe in something whose existence cannot be proved. IMO that is child abuse. I don't think people should be exposed to any of that rubbish until they are 18. Lets see how popular religion is then Its wrong that it is forced into childrens impressionable minds, often using fear 1
mikeymike100 Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: I don't think people should be exposed to any of that rubbish until they are 18. Lets see how popular religion is then Its wrong that it is forced into childrens impressionable minds, often using fear I agree, the problem is that muslim families teach their children about Islam at a very early age, they get indoctrinated and its a vicious circle. I am currently in Jakarta, Indonesia, which is the largest, by population, muslim country in the world and children are practicing the 'call to prayer' you can hear them on the speakers. Muslims have on average more children than non muslims, so it wont be too long before the UK is lost forever!
RocketDog Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 2 hours ago, Hatari fan said: To call mistrust or dislike of Islam Islamaphobia is ridiculous when we see on the news daily of Islamists killing non believers in both Europe Middle East and Africa, it is obviously not a phobia it is a rational fear. I want to ask a muslim friend of mine if he followed the koran strictly. He said he did and so then I asked him if he is approached by a non-beiever The Koran says that he can either tax him.Kill him or enslave him. So I ask him if I should always wonder what A muslim would do with me when I meet them the first time. Should I be afraid he will cut off my head? His reply was oh we don't do that anymore. I told him That did not relieve my fear. 1
Hatari fan Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago That's the problem with Islam most Muslims are peaceful but you don't know which take the Quran literally. 1
Photoguy21 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago The trouble is the current government want anyone to come as they will vote for them. Their narrative is purely about self enrichment at the cost of the British people. Had many of the government members lived in these countries I am pretty sure they would have a different opinion.
Scouse123 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago I hope this shuts up the Liberals and the Muslim sympathizers 1
Patong2021 Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 3 hours ago, mikeymike100 said: " Muslims, like all citizens, are covered by existing anti-discrimination and hate crime law" Why are the UK government trying to push this ludicrous initiative? It would mean only Islam would have 'privileged class' protection? It stink to high heaven! critical voting block. 1
Patong2021 Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, mikeymike100 said: I agree, the problem is that muslim families teach their children about Islam at a very early age, they get indoctrinated and its a vicious circle. I am currently in Jakarta, Indonesia, which is the largest, by population, muslim country in the world and children are practicing the 'call to prayer' you can hear them on the speakers. Muslims have on average more children than non muslims, so it wont be too long before the UK is lost forever! They marry their 1st cousins. It will be alot of fun dealing with that. 1
digger70 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 4 hours ago, jippytum said: Ther is Already too mich consideration for the islamic faith in the Uk. Muslims aready have their own Sharia courts. This nonsense must stop. A bit late for that, they already got a strong foothold . It's going to be Very difficult to get/Keep them under control now . It's not only the UK that has a problem with Islam. First thing to do is Close the borders than weed out the bad ones.
jippytum Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 10 minutes ago, digger70 said: A bit late for that, they already got a strong foothold . It's going to be Very difficult to get/Keep them under control now . It's not only the UK that has a problem with Islam. First thing to do is Close the borders than weed out the bad ones. There are now more muslim male illegal immigants receiving benifits in the Uk than the total number of soldiers in the British Army.
digger70 Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 28 minutes ago, jippytum said: There are now more muslim male illegal immigants receiving benifits in the Uk than the total number of soldiers in the British Army. Next , Vote for the right person who has the guts to do something about this until then nothing will be done . Wrong people in charge now vote them Out.
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