So now they are terrorists.

[Photoguy21]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

One easy to know if they were terrorists or not would be to collate the results of the trials. That will be difficult to prove, as they never went to trial in the first place. 

Many of the MS13 gang have gone on trial

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

I just noticed.  You're from Britain? 

 

Check your Magna Carta.  The right was granted there, for sure, and has evolved over time.  In America, we now have procedural due process and substantive due process.  It's not all etched in stone. 

There's never been due process in the UK, the authorities do whatever they want, then hope you aren't rech or influential enough to do anything about it.

Unless you're a non white in which case they might be more careful, or they might empty a gun into your head while waiting for the subway.

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2 hours ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

While Boasberg was a FISC judge he authorized the Dems to use federal agents to do surveillance on the Trump campaign in order to assist Hillary. 

 

This info has been conveniently left out of his Wiki page.

 

https://time.com/7269502/who-is-judge-james-boasberg-trump-wants-him-impeached/

From the article:

"Boasberg presided over dozens of cases against defendants charged with storming the U.S. Capitol after Trump lost the 2020 presidential election, often issuing sentences significantly more lenient than what prosecutors recommended and displaying a measured and patient approach...

Later, as the surveillance court's presiding judge, Boasberg chided the Justice Department for having “breached its duty of candor to the Court with respect to those applications” and said the frequency and gravity of the errors during the Russia investigation had “called into question the reliability of the information proffered in other FBI applications.”

In response to the errors, he mandated that the Justice Department provide him with information about its efforts to implement reforms meant to improve the accuracy of warrant applications submitted to the surveillance court."

[Smokin Joe]

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

From the article:

"Boasberg presided over dozens of cases against defendants charged with storming the U.S. Capitol after Trump lost the 2020 presidential election, often issuing sentences significantly more lenient than what prosecutors recommended and displaying a measured and patient approach...

Later, as the surveillance court's presiding judge, Boasberg chided the Justice Department for having “breached its duty of candor to the Court with respect to those applications” and said the frequency and gravity of the errors during the Russia investigation had “called into question the reliability of the information proffered in other FBI applications.”

In response to the errors, he mandated that the Justice Department provide him with information about its efforts to implement reforms meant to improve the accuracy of warrant applications submitted to the surveillance court."

 

That was all long after his FISC court ruling when he authorized the Dems to use federal agents to do surveillance on the Trump campaign.

[pedro01]

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The  underlying issue is that people who are innocent of criminal activity are being arrested and sent to a foreign prison without due process. There are people who reportedly had  tatoos of a humminbird or Real Madrid that were mistaken for gang tatoos who were sent to foreign prisons.

 

They are all criminals.

 

They committed a criminal offense by stepping into the US without permission.

[Mike_Hunt]

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

I guess since America is composed mostly of the descendants of wave after wave of immigrants,  that would mean that immigration in the United States hasn't worked out well for almost everybody. Is that what you're getting at?

The current levels of mass immigration are not sustainable. 

[Cryingdick]

8 hours ago, placeholder said:

I guess since America is composed mostly of the descendants of wave after wave of immigrants,  that would mean that immigration in the United States hasn't worked out well for almost everybody. Is that what you're getting at?

I am saying the waves benefit but the people before them not so much.

[billd766]

5 hours ago, Photoguy21 said:

Many of the MS13 gang have gone on trial

But how many were on trial and for for what?

 

Being an illegal immigrant?

 

Being a gangster?

 

Being a terrorist?

[Patong2021]

3 hours ago, pedro01 said:

 

They are all criminals.

 

They committed a criminal offense by stepping into the US without permission.

 

You really  haven't a clue. Please educate us and cite the law that  says that. 

 

Under federal immigration law, unlawful presence in the USA is a civil offense. The civil penalty for being in  the USA  is deportation, or removal, which the U.S. Supreme Court has held is not “criminal punishment.” Source: CT Gov website.  

https://portal.ct.gov/-/media/ocpd/child_protection/training/day3/immigrationcheatsheetbysnhforgalamcclasspdf.pdf

 

Given the choice of taking legal counsel from legal experts or the  opinion of an uneducated person, I will listen to the legal experts.

 

And even if the people  are legally subject to deportation, sending them to a foreign prison without due process, without a legal hearing is a wrongful act. These deportees  will be held without trial in a prison  known for its human rights abuses and  high rate of physical harm to inmates.

 

The issue is not the deportation of people who should be deported. Rather, it is the intentional violation of their basic human rights. They are being incarcerated for indefinite periods without any trial or access to legal rights. If they were convicted of a crime in the jurisdiction where they are to be detained, fine, but they were not.

 

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12 hours ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

While Boasberg was a FISC judge he authorized the Dems to use federal agents to do surveillance on the Trump campaign in order to assist Hillary. 

 

This info has been conveniently left out of his Wiki page.

 

https://time.com/7269502/who-is-judge-james-boasberg-trump-wants-him-impeached/

'in order to assist Hillary"

Is that what he wrote? You have a quote from him somewhere to prove that?

 

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On 3/20/2025 at 12:05 PM, Photoguy21 said:

Do you know better and are sure they are not terrorists? If not maybe your comment is out of place. The South American gangs are a form of terrorism

Being a violent criminal doesn't make one a terrorist. Terrorism is about accomplishing some social or political goal by spreading terror via violence. In fact the Trump administration claimed that tren de agua was working in concert with a government of Venezuela. The evidence is thin. This reminds me of the time the Bush administration claimed that the 9/11 terrorists were working in concert with Saddam Hussein. In order to justify the war on Iraq.

 

[Yagoda]

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You really  haven't a clue. Please educate us and cite the law that  says that. 

You really havent a clue and you were lying so here is your education. 8 USC 1325.

 

You blatantly lied to this entire Forum about a statue you could have read yourself

[jas007]

15 hours ago, BritManToo said:

There's never been due process in the UK, the authorities do whatever they want, then hope you aren't rech or influential enough to do anything about it.

Unless you're a non white in which case they might be more careful, or they might empty a gun into your head while waiting for the subway.

Better watch what you post, or they might come looking for you.  What would you be, a terrorist?