Can you be a leftist without also supporting terrorists and criminals?

[fredwiggy]

On 3/24/2025 at 11:23 AM, hotsun said:

Apparently not. Quite a blunder what the modern western philisophy has sided with

Who on the left supports terrorists and criminals? No one I've ever known. The definition of leftist is this..........

Left wing politics

 

Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy as a wholeor certain social hierarchies. Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished, through radical means that change the nature of the society they are implemented in...................Seems like people who are concerned with others welfare, so the nonsense the other side spews has little to do with the ideas behind leftist politics. Remember, I take neither side and only hope the morons can someday work together.

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Who on the left supports terrorists and criminals? No one I've ever known. The definition of leftist is this..........

Left wing politics

 

Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy as a wholeor certain social hierarchies. Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished, through radical means that change the nature of the society they are implemented in...................Seems like people who are concerned with others welfare, so the nonsense the other side spews has little to do with the ideas behind leftist politics. Remember, I take neither side and only hope the morons can someday work together.

You would have to be living under a stone to have missed the liberal hivemind going all-in on keeping disgusting TdA terrorists in the USA and attacking Musk for ending deep state corruption. 

The "left" stands for everything opposite what Trump and co does, no more no less, the historical left is gone forever.

[fredwiggy]

25 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

No it's because people in the United States are not racists and would not ever think of engaging in such blatant acts of racism. It's so impolite and would mark you as being a <deleted>, The fat stupid dude down in the corner with everybody pointing at him chanting ***hole, **hole.

 

As opposed to over in Europe where it's constant. Can you imagine people being so racist that they can't even let them into the stands? 

 

People in glass houses

Ever look up how many KKK members the US has? Along with other hate groups? ..............https://www.statista.com/statistics/740008/us-hate-groups-by-type/

[fredwiggy]

Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

You would have to be living under a stone to have missed the liberal hivemind going all-in on keeping disgusting TdA terrorists in the USA and attacking Musk for ending deep state corruption. 

The "left" stands for everything opposite what Trump and co does, no more no less, the historical left is gone forever.

And Trump has 4 years to prove what his power can do for the average man, and not just the rich. Many in the US are brainwashed by this man, following him no matter what he does, and that's not a smart idea. People on the outside, who aren't political, have seen what politics has done for the US as long as they've lived, and both sides need work.

[Cameroni]

32 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

And Trump has 4 years to prove what his power can do for the average man, and not just the rich.

 

Well for now he is doing a great job, dismantling USAID, the IRS, the DOE, thereby saving every American billions in taxes.

 

What is so interesting is that nobody really saw this coming. He kept his cards close to his chest about what he would actually do in some matters. 

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Thanks, there has been zero of the promise transparency that Musk and Trump promised. And he claims to be saving lots of money, but he won't disclose where any of that money is being saved and he won't disclose any details.

 

That sounds like the work of a fascist or an insane technocrat. 

Yes and to add to the lack of factual transparency Musk/Doge originally were including already completed and closed contracts as part if the "savings from fraud" they found. When they were caught and called out they erased and disconnected the source of funds they were supposedly finding.

 

Is the fraud and waste, sure. Happened under both parties for decades. Should it be found and eliminated absolutely. Do you effectively do that with a scorched earth approach on all govt agencies at the same time without knowing what they actually do or alienating your foreign allies and abandon a country to attack because you want to give a reach around to putin? Absolutely not. But the cultists will cheer and hold him high until it starts to impact them.  Give them 6 months to year and see how many wake up. 

[Dan O]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Its on their website.

 

Says who

 

Huh? Are you talking about Hunter Biden?

Nice try at gaslighting. Everything I've posted is true and readily available for you to read yourself.  Hard for you to keep backing the lose trump and his minions isn't it?

 

The truth is out there just go and get it and educate yourself or at least stop posting bs. Its not helping your credibility. You not too old to learn the facts. 

[Yagoda]

13 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Nice try at gaslighting. Everything I've posted is true and readily available for you to read yourself.  Hard for you to keep backing the lose trump and his minions isn't it?

 

The truth is out there just go and get it and educate yourself or at least stop posting bs. Its not helping your credibility. You not too old to learn the facts. 

The proponent of an argument should have facts to support their argument.

This exchange speaks for itself.

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, JoseThailand said:

You can. It's called being a centrist

It is called being independent of thought and ideology!

[Ben Zioner]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

It was a riot. Please show me where the maga movement has lined up millions of people before anti-tank ditches and shot them down.

 

You know that if Donald follows his role model that's what's next for the US? Once the courts of law dismiss all his totalitarian suits he's gonna start shooting them.

[rough diamond]

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The proponent of an argument should have facts to support their argument.

This exchange speaks for itself.

Yes it does as you have no facts, just rhetoric and very Trumped opinions.

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Socialism mandates terrorism and violence. The philosophical underpinnings of socialism, indeed, their entire philosophical premise for government and life can only be achieved by terrorists who engage in violence and authoritarianism. The best examples of socialist violence are found, of course, in bolshevism, national socialism and Chinese communism.

 

A rather stupid and incorrect statement. 

 

I grew up in an isolated mining city where everybody was a union member. 

 

There was never ever violence.

 

Everybody had the same principles: share the wealth, support each other, support best / equal medical care for all and same re education.

 

The union leaders were all intelligent balanced people.

 

None of that links to terrorism nor violence. 

[Dan O]

31 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

The proponent of an argument should have facts to support their argument.

This exchange speaks for itself.

Nope, if you cant figure out how to use the internet thats on you. Burying your head in the sand and claiming facts didn't happen isnt any excuse for your ignorance. You seem to find the misleading info easily enough when its about one of your crackpot claims.  All I have said is readily available to you then you cant claim propaganda or fake left wing info. Its also floating around on most websites as we speak as it all current so you cant miss any of it if you actually read the news. 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Wrong topic. Hang on to your Feather. The Link has been posted. Labour has been around since 1900 or so, are you contending that they are the same as the Bolsheviks? See ya in the right topic LOL.

 

Oh this will be good.

 

Not off topic at all.

 

You stated that, "Socialism mandates terrorism and violence". I have offered a counterexample - I can supply numerous others - which shows that a party running on a socialist platform was able to gain power via a freely contested election without the use of terrorism or violence, thus debunking that proposition.

 

As I said previously, there is absolutely no need for me to revisit the other threads as Morrobay has already given a convincing rebuttal of your premises there.

 

Now what is off-topic is your introduction about the relationship between Bolshevism and the UK Labour Party. 

 

Translation: You cannot support your premise and realise that you have lost the argument, therefore, you try to deflect attention away from this fact by introducing a subject which is, being generous, at best tangential to the topic under discussion.

[Jeff the Chef]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah well bro there are a lot more masses scrabbling to make a living than there are high and mighty humanitarian's like you. I guess you think that certain people should rule others? The smart ones over the drones? 

Didn't your lot kill enough people in the 20th century to gain  your utopias? Haven't you got the hint?

 

 

I've been called a lot of things, high and mighty is a first.

You guess, I think I'm beginning to see your problem, your incapable of thought, but you've got some gob on you.

Who the hell are my lot?

Here' a hint, life is what you make it, Utopia is a state of mind, in my mind, you don't matter, your just a noise as in my empty drum analogy.

[Yagoda]

7 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Not off topic at all.

 

You stated that, "Socialism mandates terrorism and violence". I have offered a counterexample - I can supply numerous others - which shows that a party running on a socialist platform was able to gain power via a freely contested election without the use of terrorism or violence, thus debunking that proposition.

 

As I said previously, there is absolutely no need for me to revisit the other threads as Morrobay has already given a convincing rebuttal of your premises there.

 

Now what is off-topic is your introduction about the relationship between Bolshevism and the UK Labour Party. 

 

Translation: You cannot support your premise and realise that you have lost the argument, therefore, you try to deflect attention away from this fact by introducing a subject which is, being generous, at best tangential to the topic under discussion.

Ok God knows what tangent we are on, then tell me, is the ultimate goal of Labour the same as the Socialists? The overriding goal?

[RayC]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

They did such a good job, rationing didn't end until 1954.

 

All Labour's fault? The Conservatives were in power from October 1951.

[Yagoda]

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

I've been called a lot of things, high and mighty is a first.

You guess, I think I'm beginning to see your problem, your incapable of thought, but you've got some gob on you.

Who the hell are my lot?

Here' a hint, life is what you make it, Utopia is a state of mind, in my mind, you don't matter, your just a noise as in my empty drum analogy.

Typical flame with no factual dispute

[Yagoda]

46 minutes ago, Ben Zioner said:

 

You know that if Donald follows his role model that's what's next for the US? Once the courts of law dismiss all his totalitarian suits he's gonna start shooting them.

Got it. We aren't talking facts, just your fevered dreams.

[Jeff the Chef]

Just now, Yagoda said:

Typical flame with no factual dispute

 

I rest my case, M'lud

[simple1]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You would have to be living under a stone to have missed the liberal hivemind going all-in on keeping disgusting TdA terrorists in the USA and attacking Musk for ending deep state corruption. 

The "left" stands for everything opposite what Trump and co does, no more no less, the historical left is gone forever.

 

Extremist MAGA BS

[UWEB]

Can you be a leftist without also supporting terrorists and criminals?

 

No, that's the exclusive right of the right wingers while one of the biggest Criminals is sitting in the Red House in Western Russia ( formally known as White House in USA.)

[riclag]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You would have to be living under a stone to have missed the liberal hivemind going all-in on keeping disgusting TdA terrorists in the USA and attacking Musk for ending deep state corruption. 

The "left" stands for everything opposite what Trump and co does, no more no less, the historical left is gone forever.

360,000 kids unaccounted for!

Hundreds of thousands of illegal migrants with criminal records !

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

On 3/24/2025 at 12:23 AM, hotsun said:

Apparently not. Quite a blunder what the modern western philisophy has sided with

Absolutely not.  Violence is in the lefts DNA. 

[rough diamond]

24 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Ok God knows what tangent we are on, then tell me, is the ultimate goal of Labour the same as the Socialists? The overriding goal?

Who cares on AN?

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Source?

 

Bet you despise the transparency of this Administration. Socialism can only exist with total secrecy.

Fair enough. It's so transparent it gives out its plans for war with Iran.

[rough diamond]

28 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Typical flame with no factual dispute

Just like all your pointless replies.

[Mike_Hunt]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Who on the left supports terrorists and criminals? No one I've ever known. The definition of leftist is this..........

Left wing politics

 

Left-wing politics describes the range of political ideologies that support and seek to achieve social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy as a wholeor certain social hierarchies. Left-wing politics typically involve a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished, through radical means that change the nature of the society they are implemented in...................Seems like people who are concerned with others welfare, so the nonsense the other side spews has little to do with the ideas behind leftist politics. Remember, I take neither side and only hope the morons can someday work together.

 

Stalin and Chairman Mao agree. 

[RayC]

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Ok God knows what tangent we are on, then tell me, is the ultimate goal of Labour the same as the Socialists? The overriding goal?

 

As I explained before, the British Labour Party was - in theory at least - a democratic socialist party (until the mid-1990s).

 

The Party's guiding principle was the original Clause 4 (reproduced below) which Blair revised. It is clear from the original clause that socialism is to be achieved without violence.

 

While revolutionary socialists may embrace terrorism and violence, democratic socialists eschew it. This is why your statement that, "Socialism mandates terrorism and violence. The philosophical underpinnings of socialism, indeed, their entire philosophical premise for government and life can only be achieved by terrorists who engage in violence and authoritarianism", is patently incorrect.

 

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Original Clause 4 of the GB Labour Party constitution.

 

"To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service."

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Fair enough. It's so transparent it gives out its plans for war with Iran.

The waiting is the hardest part. Where, maybe but not when.