Trump’s Order Mandating Proof of Citizenship for Voter Registration Sparks Legal Concerns

[kimothai]

Well, that's too bad that Trump will only let citizens vote.  I was more in favor of posting ICE agents at all the polling stations.  Why go to all the expense or looking for illegals, just let them come to you.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

The problem, rather than focusing  on rules & consequences , the left has made it a virtue signaling  narrative!

Listen to the victims ,time stamp 1:32

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It is true.

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/impact-voter-suppression-communities-color

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/voter-id

Disgusting racists.

[bamnutsak]

Article I, Section 4, Clause 1:

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

 

Twenty-Sixth Amendment

Section 1:

The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.

[RPCVguy]

2 hours ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

No it doesn't.
What it does do is require you to be a responsible adult and get that taken care of if you want to vote.  Simple to do except for the lazy.

How in the world did that make mail in voting harder ? lol. They have to leave the house 5 days earlier to mail it ? wtf

You chose not to read my post for understanding. With rents rising and many people shifting residences (or tents, or...) the residential addresses for millions of people shift and invalidate voter registrations. Add in the priorities of food, or medical issues and these people will not be allowed to vote. Same for students, off to school or in he military.
The mail in vote issue affects citizens residing overseas or serving in the military. And the birth certificate won't match the name of most married women.
Your confidence in access to information and documents should be the norm, but the reality is not the case.
Voting by non-citizens is a serious crime. Serious enough that even when sought to find examples, the results are rarely there. Certainly too few to shift elections counted in the numbers needed to shift a state's result.

 

[dinsdale]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The evidence that Trump hasn’t read the Constitution is stacking up.

And the evidence is? Please support your comment by posting examples of why the evidence is stacking up that Trump hasn't read the Constitution. I've linked the US constitution so no excuses or is your comment simply an emotive one with zero basis?

THE

CONSTITUTION

of the United States

https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf

[Luuk Chaai]

11 hours ago, Tug said:

So now everyone has to present their birth certificate to vote?as usual it’s a ditcate not a law with little if any thought behind it.call it for what it is an attempt to disenfranchise the poor,just how many illegal voters did they find in 2020?

 what the heck does monetary status have to do with presenting ID  ..  I'll help you !    NOTHING !

more ridiculous left attemts to block a common sense agenda

[Luuk Chaai]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 Americans sent the message.

, along with consumer confidence.

 

Veteran services are NOT being gutted, likewise Medicaid and the attack on SS has started.  NO,,    THERE IS NO SUCH THING HAPPENING

 

 

 

 

[JAG]

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So who are those people in mid American rural districts the Republicans are trying to avoid in ‘town halls’?

 

 

"Paid protesters" apparently!

[JAG]

2 hours ago, kimothai said:

Well, that's too bad that Trump will only let citizens vote.  I was more in favor of posting ICE agents at all the polling stations.  Why go to all the expense or looking for illegals, just let them come to you.

Absolutely - Honan's paramilitary thugs at polling stations to question anyone who isn't white turning up to vote!

 

Brown, Spanish speaking, got a tattoo? Wrap 'em in chains and off to a concentration camp outsourced to El Salvador!

 

I expect they will have every available bus and 'plane chartered next polling day!

[josephbloggs]

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

You mean all those nasty tariffs bringing huge investment into the US?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkmvdz144vo

 

Brilliant! So Hyundai decided an investment plan of $21bn over a couple of years and announced it before the tariffs were announced, but then this shows that tariffs work!

You are the most blinkered and deluded poster on this forum and that is saying something. Does Donald Trump have a time machine? no doubt he does and it will be "the biggest and best and most timely time machine the world has ever seen as he knows more about time travel than anyone". How do you guys take this guy seriously? Please watch.
 

 

[CallumWK]

5 hours ago, RPCVguy said:

That is not the interpretation accepted in Texas, and it is meant to become a national concept.
It can be fixed by getting a passport, but that is a 10 year document hassle that most people don't have - because they don't travel. If only used so as to allow women to vote, it is essentially another form of poll tax. (A concept that is unconstitutional.)

 

 

So in Texas a driver license or state issued ID are not accepted as identification?

 

And as I understand from the below quote, it will be fixed by May 7, or they are stuck in the kitchen, as they can not take a domestic flight or enter a federal facility.

 

REAL ID:

Beginning May 7, 2025, every state and territory resident will need a REAL ID compliant license/ID, or another acceptable form of identification, for accessing federal facilities, entering nuclear power plants, and boarding commercial aircraft.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

And the evidence is? Please support your comment by posting examples of why the evidence is stacking up that Trump hasn't read the Constitution. I've linked the US constitution so no excuses or is your comment simply an emotive one with zero basis?

THE

CONSTITUTION

of the United States

https://constitutioncenter.org/media/files/constitution.pdf

Here you go, refer who gets to manage elections, registration of voters and prevent fraud etc:

 

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S4-C1-2/ALDE_00013577/

 

Thanks for the link, I have my own copy in my bookcase:

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

58 minutes ago, JAG said:

"Paid protesters" apparently!

Obviously folk Republican representatives are scared of meeting.

[dinsdale]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here you go, refer who gets to manage ejections, restoration of voters and prevent fraud etc:

 

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S4-C1-2/ALDE_00013577/

 

Thanks for the link, I have my own copy in my bookcase:

 

 

Cheers. Does it say in there non-citizens can vote? Interested to know.

[Chomper Higgot]

34 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Cheers. Does it say in there non-citizens can vote? Interested to know.

Ah, you’ve pulled out your strawman.

 

When did I ever say non-citizens can vote?

 

Now back to the Constitution, management of elections, registration of voters, prevention of fraud….. The duty of the Sates, not the Federal Government, not the President.

[kimothai]

2 hours ago, JAG said:

Absolutely - Honan's paramilitary thugs at polling stations to question anyone who isn't white turning up to vote!

 

Brown, Spanish speaking, got a tattoo? Wrap 'em in chains and off to a concentration camp outsourced to El Salvador!

 

I expect they will have every available bus and 'plane chartered next polling day!

Yeah, it would have been great, but I guess we'll just have to settle for voters with ID's.

[thaipo7]

16 hours ago, flyingtlger said:

If this were true he would be a Democrat.  This is how most stupid people vote in the US.

[black tabby12345]

Citizenship evidence needed for registration to vote.

What is wrong with that?

It is natural that they must prove that they belong to the nation when they seek their right to vote.

Otherwise, anyone and everyone can falsely claim they are citizens of any countries.

 

It is rather amazing that US didn't have that law by now.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Skunkfarben said:

 

Not birth certificate. National I'd or passport can be ok. Why anybody confusing with this

If someone can't prove they are a citizen, likely they are not.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, JAG said:

Absolutely - Honan's paramilitary thugs at polling stations to question anyone who isn't white turning up to vote!

 

Brown, Spanish speaking, got a tattoo? Wrap 'em in chains and off to a concentration camp outsourced to El Salvador!

 

I expect they will have every available bus and 'plane chartered next polling day!

Bad day?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, RPCVguy said:

And the birth certificate won't match the name of most married women.

The chances that a married woman will not be able to prove a name change is IMO nil. If they lost the marriage certificate they can get a copy.

 

Trying to build a hill and ending up with a tiny mound, IMO.

[jts-khorat]

18 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

You mean all those nasty tariffs bringing huge investment into the US?

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgkmvdz144vo

 

 

Have you read *when* those investments will actually happen?

 

It might create a few question marks, if this is actually a real investment, if you are inclined to dig that deep.

[JAG]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Bad day?

On the contrary, yesterday was rather a good day.

 

A not unrealistic forecast though.

 

Did you see the newsreel of the Muslim woman being picked up off the street somewhere in North Eastern USA, by half a dozen masked men in plain clothes, handcuffed, and whisked away in an unmarked car?

 

She is entirely legally resident in the USA, student visa, postgraduate student. I think, may be wrong, she was from Turkey. Now being held incommunicado in an ICE detention centre in Louisiana.

 

Her "crime", expressing an opinion in a student newspaper!

 

Why Louisiana? The other end of the country? Well it is a damned sight more difficult for any courts or lawyers to track her down and get her released - I should imagine ICE finds it a more favourable jurisdiction?

 

"Nacht und Nebel" doesn't it make your heart swell?

[JonnyF]

5 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

 

Have you read *when* those investments will actually happen?

 

2025 to 2028.

 

https://www.themanufacturer.com/articles/hyundai-motor-group-commits-additional-21bn-to-u-s-operations-to-drive-growth/#:~:text=Hyundai Motor Group has announced,enhancing energy infrastructure in America.

 

 

5 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

 

It might create a few question marks, if this is actually a real investment, if you are inclined to dig that deep.

 

The only question is when other manufacturers will do the same thing. 

 

As Thailand shows, tariffs on imports creates a huge market for domestically produced vehicles. 

[Old Farang]

On 3/27/2025 at 4:27 AM, Social Media said:

 

President Donald Trump has signed an executive order that dramatically alters the U.S. election system by requiring individuals to provide proof of citizenship when registering to vote in federal elections. The order also includes broad changes to mail-in voting and election equipment, raising concerns about potential voter disenfranchisement and the legality of such sweeping reforms.  

 

Election law experts quickly pointed out that Trump’s directive is likely to face legal challenges, as courts have previously blocked states from imposing similar proof-of-citizenship requirements for federal elections. Under existing law, individuals registering to vote must swear under penalty of perjury that they are U.S. citizens. Legal experts argue that adding a documentary requirement could prevent millions of eligible voters from registering, particularly those without immediate access to the required identification.  

 

 

The order instructs the Election Assistance Commission (EAC), an independent federal body, to revise voter registration forms and mandate documents such as U.S. passports or government-issued IDs that explicitly confirm citizenship. However, only about half of Americans held passports as of last year, according to the State Department, and certain forms of identification listed in the order—such as REAL IDs and military identification cards—do not always indicate citizenship. Additionally, birth certificates are not included as an acceptable form of proof under the directive, further complicating the registration process for many eligible voters.  

 

Trump has long promoted the idea that noncitizens vote in U.S. elections, despite a lack of significant evidence supporting such claims. Federal law already makes it a crime for noncitizens to vote, and election officials routinely review records to ensure compliance.  

 

Legal scholars swiftly criticized the executive order, asserting that Trump lacks the authority to impose these changes. “A whole lot of this is illegal,” said Sean Morales-Doyle, director of the Voting Rights Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law. He noted that the president does not have jurisdiction over the Election Assistance Commission or the management of elections.  

 

Justin Levitt, a constitutional law scholar at Loyola Law School, echoed this view, stating, “The president’s got almost no power over federal elections. One of the things that was very clear during my time in the last administration is how little authority the president has over elections—by design.” The Constitution delegates election oversight to Congress and the states, granting them control over the "times, places, and manner of holding elections."

 

Republican lawmakers have also pursued a legislative path toward a proof-of-citizenship requirement with the introduction of the SAVE Act. Unlike Trump’s order, the bill would allow voters to use birth certificates to verify citizenship. However, election officials and voting rights advocates argue that such measures still risk disenfranchising voters who lack access to their documents.  

 

Beyond voter registration requirements, the executive order makes additional sweeping changes to election procedures. It prohibits the use of voting machines that rely on QR codes, potentially forcing states to replace costly election equipment. It also mandates that all ballots must be received by Election Day, directly challenging states that currently allow mail-in ballots postmarked by Election Day to be counted if received later.  

 

The order further directs the Department of Government Efficiency and other federal agencies to scrutinize state voter rolls in an effort to identify ineligible voters. Levitt pointed out that past Republican efforts to uncover widespread voter fraud have largely been unsuccessful, raising questions about the feasibility of such a directive.  

 

With legal challenges expected to mount, the executive order’s future remains uncertain. Experts anticipate that courts will once again intervene, as they have in previous cases involving voter registration and election law changes at the federal level.

 

Based on a report by NBC News  2025-03-27

 

 

 

[Old Farang]

What BS, the Left complained when Georgia required a legal ID, saying poor, minorities, and uneducated would be hindered, seems 90% of residents had legal ID, other said they would go get drivers license, they had largest turnout for elections that year.  Those against it are fearmongers, creating doubt with no real evidence or plan, typical US left.

 

[Photoguy21]

20 hours ago, riclag said:

One could say that! That video was 6 years old!

The  left have been busy coddling the narrative for many years in anticipation of someone opening the floodgates for a mass migration of newcomers!

 

In the lefts hearts & minds they / them

see a  Democracy for All. 
“Democracy cannot be fully realized without the commitment and participation of all,” 

https://kettering.org/kettering-foundation-gallup-project/

Nothing wrong with Democracy but you cant just let anyone into your country not knowing who they are.

[Photoguy21]

21 hours ago, jvs said:

So how come donald won then?

Is he a better cheater?

Could it be he is more truthful than the self serving bunch who was in power before?

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, JAG said:

On the contrary, yesterday was rather a good day.

 

A not unrealistic forecast though.

 

Did you see the newsreel of the Muslim woman being picked up off the street somewhere in North Eastern USA, by half a dozen masked men in plain clothes, handcuffed, and whisked away in an unmarked car?

 

She is entirely legally resident in the USA, student visa, postgraduate student. I think, may be wrong, she was from Turkey. Now being held incommunicado in an ICE detention centre in Louisiana.

 

Her "crime", expressing an opinion in a student newspaper!

 

Why Louisiana? The other end of the country? Well it is a damned sight more difficult for any courts or lawyers to track her down and get her released - I should imagine ICE finds it a more favourable jurisdiction?

 

"Nacht und Nebel" doesn't it make your heart swell?

I think she is on a student visa.

 

Now, tell me what you think would happen to you in Thailand as a temporary guest if you started political agitation on ANYTHING. Do you think they would support your "right" to foment political discord, or do you think some large men might come and deport you?

 

Waiting, out.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, JAG said:

On the contrary, yesterday was rather a good day.

 

A not unrealistic forecast though.

 

Did you see the newsreel of the Muslim woman being picked up off the street somewhere in North Eastern USA, by half a dozen masked men in plain clothes, handcuffed, and whisked away in an unmarked car?

 

She is entirely legally resident in the USA, student visa, postgraduate student. I think, may be wrong, she was from Turkey. Now being held incommunicado in an ICE detention centre in Louisiana.

 

Her "crime", expressing an opinion in a student newspaper!

 

Why Louisiana? The other end of the country? Well it is a damned sight more difficult for any courts or lawyers to track her down and get her released - I should imagine ICE finds it a more favourable jurisdiction?

 

"Nacht und Nebel" doesn't it make your heart swell?

Common sense says that if one is not a native of the country one is residing in, it behooves one to not upset the people currently running the country if one wishes to remain in said country.

 

I'm not commenting on the right or wrong of it, just on the common sense or lack of it aspect.