Rising Defiance: Armed Gaza Clans Call for Uprising Against Hamas

[Nick Carter icp]

11 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes.

But that’s not a blanket acceptance of anything Israel does to achieve that aim.

I believe I have given you this very same response to your very same question on at least two other occasions.

 

   I seem to recall I did ask you one time previously , and I just wanted confirmation that you support the IDF in their war against Palestine 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

20 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Yes I'm aware of that and the fact that they lived, peacefully alongside the indigenous Arabs for thousands of years up until the creation of Israel.

 

If you were already aware of  that, then you were being disingenuous in your comment that I replied to; you deliberately omitted the most important part of the history pertaining to that part of the levant, and instead  said “it is the Israelis/Jews who are the infiltrators”  … are you a student at Columbia University, perchance ?

 

 

[Moonlover]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    The West bank ?

Do you mean Judea ?

It only became known as a the West Bank when Jordon ruled it in 1950

Yes, Judea is its biblical name, but no one refers to it by that name now. It's now recognized by the UN as part of Palestine.

[Patong2021]

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

Call me cynical, but swapping out one regime for another has been pretty hit and miss in the Middle East.

 

 

Depends on  the time frame and who engineered the regime change. Overall,  regime changes  have paid off for Europe, UK and the USA.

When the Ottomans regime was removed, Saudia Arabia was created  under the same agreement as Israel and  the payoff for some countries has been fantastic. The  reinforcement of the  family clan nation states of UAE, Bahrain, and Qatar, when Saudi Arabia was created has also paid off. The  Same agreement gave rise to Jordan and Lebanon which worked well for the west until someone else tried to initiate regime change. The troubles in Lebanon over the past 40 years are due to Iranian, Syrian and Russian attempts to impose their own regime changes and  we see the results. Jordan is a good little poodle state for the west dependent upn western aid.

 

The west initiated  regime change that put the Shah in power worked well for the UK and USA as it delivered stability, oil wealth and Russian curtailment.  They were not responsible for the last regime change in Iran.

 

Even the regime change in Libya has worked out for the financial interests of the EU. Libya and France are. still accessing the  valuable oil of Libya and now its without the hassle of madman Qadaffi. It hasn't worked out for the Libyans, but when have the EU really cared  about the well being or interests of  North Africans? The  influx of  refugees is a small cost to pay for the billions of Euros the access to Libyan oil brings some  vested EU interests.

 

[Patong2021]

7 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Yes, Judea is its biblical name, but no one refers to it by that name now. It's now recognized by the UN as part of Palestine.

 

Please educate me and and give me a UN reference where Judea is recognized by the UN as part of Palestine.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

9 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

It's now recognized by the UN as part of Palestine.

 

Would that be the same UN whose agency UNRWA has been holding hostages on behalf of Hamas in some of its facilities in Gaza; and some of who’s members took part in the 7 October massacres ?

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Moonlover said:

Yes, Judea is its biblical name, but no one refers to it by that name now. It's now recognized by the UN as part of Palestine.

 

   Point being that it was known as Judea up until Jordon ruled it in 1950 and the word does stem for biblical times .

Judea means Jew .

You are claiming that the land which was called Judea for 3500 years is actually Palestinian Arab Muslim land ?

   Arabs changed the name to the West bank 50 years ago and now its their land ?

   Anyway, enough history lessons 

[Jeff the Chef]

Hopefully the beginning of the end, at least it looks like there is now some Palestinian resistance to Hamas, but if it's just another armed to the teeth group/clan is that going to change much for the ordinary/peaceful Palestinians?

 

This could be a golden opportunity for peace in Gaza, the whole place needs to be weapons free with complete openness to all tunnels, terrorist infostructure, so the whole World can see, Joint Arab/Israeli policing, and a complete change of attitude from both sides, whether that's possible after the recent history of this conflict remains to be seen.

[Chomper Higgot]

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I seem to recall I did ask you one time previously , and I just wanted confirmation that you support the IDF in their war against Palestine 

Well make a note this time so you don’t have to waste both our time asking again.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

The Gazan clan dynamics is a horrendous mix of terrorists and crime families, the whole population is riddled with involvement to some degree. 

 

This is the armed terrorist groups that took part in Oct 7th:

 

 

That's without the clans and civilians that also took part. Here's a list of some of these mafia like clans.

 

Next to head the Strip? Gaza's most influential clans

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bkacp8rja

 

 

 

[Moonlover]

10 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Please educate me and and give me a UN reference where Judea is recognized by the UN as part of Palestine.

Apologies. I should have said Palestine (consisting of Gaza and the West Bank, formally known by some as Judea) is recognized as a state by 147 members of the UN.

 

Full membership is, of course blocked by the US veto.

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well make a note this time so you don’t have to waste both our time asking again.

 

 

 

  I do need to keep asking you because you keep changing sides , you may go back to supporting the Palestinians again in the future .

 Or do you just support whoever's winning ?

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  I do need to keep asking you because you keep changing sides , you may go back to supporting the Palestinians again in the future .

 Or do you just support whoever's winning ?

I do support the Palestinian right to live peacefully in their own sovereign state, I’ve never said otherwise.

 

I have never once ‘changed sides’.

 

Stop making stuff up.

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Moonlover said:

Apologies. I should have said Palestine (consisting of Gaza and the West Bank, formally known by some as Judea) is recognized as a state by 147 members of the UN.

 

Full membership is, of course blocked by the US veto.

While "pay for slay" is in place it will probably stay vetoed. 

 

https://x.com/IsraelinNewYork/status/1900255118655647812

 

[Wonderyenta]

46 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

You're confusing Islam with an indigenous population of Arabs who were there long before Mohammed came along. Islam is just a convenient excuse.

Not confusing Islam with Arabs at all. The Hebrew language was the language used around 3000 BCE until this day. Islam is a religion that uses Arabic language. The Arabs didn’t inhabit what is now Israel. Hebrew remains relatively unchanged to this day, pinpointed in geography. Islam is new so are Arabs to the region. Arabs are not indigenous to Israel.

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I do support the Palestinian right to live peacefully in their own sovereign state, I’ve never said otherwise.

I have never once ‘changed sides’.Stop making stuff up.

 

 

   So you support the Palestinians fighting for independence and you also support the IDF fighting against those Palestinians .

   So, you support both sides in a war ?

You want both sides to win the war 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

That depends on which Palestinian people it is. A couple of thousand of them took part in the Oct 7th atrocities along with the Hamas terrorists, some even did some murdering and hostage taking themselves. But you knew that. Are you happy there is a revolt among the Gazans against Hamas? Or are you intend on deflecting the topic?

 

Gazans cheer for Hamas militants as Israeli hostages released | AFP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXWbTzF8nzc

 

Hamas parades 3 Israeli hostages before crowd in handoff to Red Cross in Gaza

 

 

Yes, several accounts of the Oct 7 events said this. I suppose there are several different groups with different interests in Gaza but all seem to have been controlled by Hamas so far. But why these protests now?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

The intelligence levels of the average right wing extremist shows no bounds (at the lower end of the scale). Why would anyone with a modicum of proactive thought processes not see a revolt against Hamas by its own peoples as a step forward from the past 30 years of disastrous leadership.

 

Your (insulting) opinion but nothing to do with the comment that you replied to. 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, sungod said:

 The cynic in me says they want Hamas removed so they can control their criminal empires unimpeded.

 

A definite possibility.

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So you support the Palestinians fighting for independence and you also support the IDF fighting against those Palestinians .

   So, you support both sides in a war ?

You want both sides to win the war 

Have a good day Nick, I wish you the best of luck finding the argument you are obviously looking for.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

42 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Hopefully the beginning of the end, at least it looks like there is now some Palestinian resistance to Hamas, but if it's just another armed to the teeth group/clan is that going to change much for the ordinary/peaceful Palestinians?

 

This could be a golden opportunity for peace in Gaza, the whole place needs to be weapons free with complete openness to all tunnels, terrorist infostructure, so the whole World can see, Joint Arab/Israeli policing, and a complete change of attitude from both sides, whether that's possible after the recent history of this conflict remains to be seen.

 

   No, Palestinians need to be removed from the land .

Trump tower and golf resort needs to replace Palestinians 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, Palestinians need to be removed from the land .

Trump tower and golf resort needs to replace Palestinians 

 

Very good, so your position is there can be no compromises, Palestinians have no rights whatsoever?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Have a good day Nick, I wish you the best of luck finding the argument you are obviously looking for.

 

 

 

  Thanks 

It is rather difficult to have a discussion with someone who supports both sides .

   Maybe you could get one of these scarves with Israel/Palestine written on it ?

 

 

[proton]

There is a reason why the Quran never mentions Palestine, because it never existed. But there is a reason why it mentions the children of Israel 43 times, because they do exist and have done in their homeland for over three thousand years.

[Patong2021]

51 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

Apologies. I should have said Palestine (consisting of Gaza and the West Bank, formally known by some as Judea) is recognized as a state by 147 members of the UN.

 

Full membership is, of course blocked by the US veto.

It can join Abkhazia, Sahrawi, and South Ossetia in pursuit of legitimacy.

[Jeff the Chef]

6 minutes ago, proton said:

There is a reason why the Quran never mentions Palestine, because it never existed. But there is a reason why it mentions the children of Israel 43 times, because they do exist and have done in their homeland for over three thousand years.

 

So are you saying the the children of Israel are the only people who can live in this area and no one else, even if they have lived on their land for generations?

[Sir Dude]

Well, can't blame them really, as Hamas has not managed to do anything for any of them other than bring destruction and oppression... should be going more in the West Bank/Palastinian Authority diection.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

'The Palestinian people are Arabs who live—and have lived throughout history—in a certain geographical region in the Middle East. Generally, Palestine is used to refer to the geographic region spanning from the Mediterranean Sea in the east to the Jordan River in the west'.

 

It is the Israelis/Jews who are the infiltrators.

 

https://www.pcrf.net/information-you-should-know/who-are-the-palestinians.html#:~:text=The Palestinian people are Arabs,Jordan River in the west.

 

The PCRF version of the history of Palestine (and Palestinians) looks to have been invented/shortened to justify their noble mission.

 

But this version is far from any other that I've seen. To say that Palestinians have lived throughout history from the river to the sea is very misleading and ignores the existence of the Israelites, who have been trying to live there for more than 3000 years, whenever other empires allowed them to. Several different groups of Arabs in this Palestinian area drifted in and out but there is no record of them being and living there constantly, and certainly not for continuous thousands of years! 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So are you saying the the children of Israel are the only people who can live in this area and no one else, even if they have lived on their land for generations?

 

   No, he wasn't saying that .

You are putting those words into his mouth 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I do believe that some of those other clans/factions are the ones holding the hostages in Gaza and that's why Hamas cannot state the condition of  the hostages .

 

Perhaps but I am starting to think this might be another Hamas red herring.