Rising Defiance: Armed Gaza Clans Call for Uprising Against Hamas

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Hopefully the beginning of the end, at least it looks like there is now some Palestinian resistance to Hamas, but if it's just another armed to the teeth group/clan is that going to change much for the ordinary/peaceful Palestinians?

 

This could be a golden opportunity for peace in Gaza, the whole place needs to be weapons free with complete openness to all tunnels, terrorist infostructure, so the whole World can see, Joint Arab/Israeli policing, and a complete change of attitude from both sides, whether that's possible after the recent history of this conflict remains to be seen.

The change of attitude needs to be from Hamas to release the hostages, then things start to move, not until.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

And I've no doubt that it has been said before that the German people voted for Hitler and there was only one known attempt to remove him.

 

There were two. The larger group were successful after the smaller group failed

[proton]

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

So are you saying the the children of Israel are the only people who can live in this area and no one else, even if they have lived on their land for generations?

 

No, I am saying given that they have been there for 3k years, and that the middle east is over 98% muslim they have a right to exist in their homeland that even the Quran says Allah gave them, without being attacked for 75 years by hating muslims.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Moonlover said:

Yes I'm aware of that and the fact that they lived, peacefully alongside the indigenous Arabs for thousands of years up until the creation of Israel. The same Israel that then went on the rampage and stole Arab lands and ejected them from their homeland. And they continue to do so in the West Bank.

 

All wrong. Detention Saturday.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Perhaps but I am starting to think this might be another Hamas red herring.

 

   There are numerous different Palestinians gangs/clans in Gaza and Hamas are the dominate clan .

   Other gangs may see Hamas weakened and they want to topple Hamas and take over .

   That doesn't mean that the other clans do not detest and hate Israel just as much as Hamas didn't .

   There is no Gazian clan that accepts Israel's right to exist

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

The change of attitude needs to be from Hamas to release the hostages, then things start to move, not until.

 

Fine, I can agree with that, but what about those people opposed to Hamas, from this article do they not need to be encourage?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Call me cynical, but swapping out one regime for another has been pretty hit and miss in the Middle East.

 

 

Hello, Mr. Cynical. Agree. How have you been??

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

All wrong. Detention Saturday.

You are wrong, he is correct.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Fine, I can agree with that, but what about those people opposed to Hamas, from this article do they not need to be encourage?

Well of course, if they are holding hostages, does that not go without saying?

 

You used to claim that everything Hamas did was lawful and above board, what made you change from being  a Hamas supporter?

[ChicagoExpat]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So pop goes the narrative that they are all Hamas supporters.

 

Even they can see the horse they backed is a loser.

[ChicagoExpat]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Rubbish. If the Gazans start fighting among themselves, it's just playing into Netanyahu's hands. He probably the one inciting it.

The enemy is Israel not fellow Gazans.

 

They should be careful what they wish for, as do they think the IDF will pack up it's bombs and open the blockade if they get rid of Hamas? Fools to think that.

The enemy is Israel only because they've been brainwashed to think so.  Agree that Netanyahu must be delighted with this development; while I can't stand the guy, any good hearted person should be ecstatic that maybe, just maybe, the Islamic murder cult Hamas might lose some power.

[ChicagoExpat]

9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

   There is no Gazian clan that accepts Israel's right to exist

Which is why there can never be peace.

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Rubbish. If the Gazans start fighting among themselves, it's just playing into Netanyahu's hands. He probably the one inciting it.

The enemy is Israel not fellow Gazans.

 

They should be careful what they wish for, as do they think the IDF will pack up it's bombs and open the blockade if they get rid of Hamas? Fools to think that.

 

  Ha ha, blame the Israelis for everything .

You don't realise that there has been infighting among the Palestinians for many years , you just have tunnel vision where Israel are the only enemy and everyone fights against Jews.

  Fatah and Hamas have a long running conflict with each other

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The Arabs you refer to migraged from Syria and the Arabian peninsula.

The Bedouin Arabs  are a nomadic people and drifted about and were primarily found in the Sinai  with nomadic excursions into the Negev and back.  Bedouins did not conflict with the. Israelites/Judeans and  were forced out of their nomadic range  at the same time as the Israelites/Judeans were forced out by the  immigration of Arabs.

 

You ignore the negative impact that the Roman occupation and Ottoman occupations had on  local peoples. They were disruptive forces that forcibly shifted populations from one region to another. You also ignore the  large influx of arabs into Gaza and  the Palestinian territory  as a result of the Suez canal. The Europeans built the canal using hundreds of 1 million+ Arabs recruited from North Africa, Syria, Arabia and Iraq. When these workers were used up and discarded, they often had nowhere to go. Egypt did not want them and there was no future for them in their country of origins. Large numbers were settled in  the Palestinian territory region.  They most certainly did not go home to a bungalow in Syria. The europeans exploited the Arabs, much as the Turks did. And they left a massive mess. Rather than take responsibility for it, they instead do what they have always done, blame someone else for the negative impact of their greed and colonialism.

 

Before you get too far along with the Suez Canal, you might want to read about the expansion and outcomes of the Arab/Muslim caliphates invading and occupying much of in Europe from 711. 

 

Oh, and not just the nicer bits.

[Jeff the Chef]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well of course, if they are holding hostages, does that not go without saying?

 

You used to claim that everything Hamas did was lawful and above board, what made you change from being  a Hamas supporter?

 

Maybe I've mellowed in my old age, I just think if ever there was a time to end this ceaseless slaughter maybe this it.

This article at least shows there is some resistance to Hamas and that needs to be nurtured, get rid of Hamas, get the hostages back and open the possibility of a peaceful co-existence, It will take major compromises from both sides. I know, but where there's a will there's away.

[ChicagoExpat]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Before you get too far along with the Suez Canal, you might want to read about the expansion and outcomes of the Arab/Muslim caliphates invading and occupying much of in Europe from 711. 

 

Oh, and not just the nicer bits.

There are nicer bits?  It's an unbroken history of slaughter and oppression.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Depends on  the time frame and who engineered the regime change. Overall,  regime changes  have paid off for Europe, UK and the USA.

When the Ottomans regime was removed, Saudia Arabia was created  under the same agreement as Israel and  the payoff for some countries has been fantastic. The  reinforcement of the  family clan nation states of UAE, Bahrain, and Qatar, when Saudi Arabia was created has also paid off. The  Same agreement gave rise to Jordan and Lebanon which worked well for the west until someone else tried to initiate regime change. The troubles in Lebanon over the past 40 years are due to Iranian, Syrian and Russian attempts to impose their own regime changes and  we see the results. Jordan is a good little poodle state for the west dependent upn western aid.

 

The west initiated  regime change that put the Shah in power worked well for the UK and USA as it delivered stability, oil wealth and Russian curtailment.  They were not responsible for the last regime change in Iran.

 

Even the regime change in Libya has worked out for the financial interests of the EU. Libya and France are. still accessing the  valuable oil of Libya and now its without the hassle of madman Qadaffi. It hasn't worked out for the Libyans, but when have the EU really cared  about the well being or interests of  North Africans? The  influx of  refugees is a small cost to pay for the billions of Euros the access to Libyan oil brings some  vested EU interests.

 

 

Absolute nonsense.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

The Gazan clan dynamics is a horrendous mix of terrorists and crime families, the whole population is riddled with involvement to some degree. 

 

This is the armed terrorist groups that took part in Oct 7th:

 

 

That's without the clans and civilians that also took part. Here's a list of some of these mafia like clans.

 

Next to head the Strip? Gaza's most influential clans

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bkacp8rja

 

 

 

 

Damn! One more badge than I had in the cubs.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Maybe I've mellowed in my old age, I just think if ever there was a time to end this ceaseless slaughter maybe this it.

This article at least shows there is some resistance to Hamas and that needs to be nurtured, get rid of Hamas, get the hostages back and open the possibility of a peaceful co-existence, It will take major compromises from both sides. I know, but where there's a will there's away.

Ok for someone who was a full on Hamas supporter to someone who has now realized just how Hamas manipulated this to cause the slaughter then I will take you at your word that you've changed. I agree, unless the hostages are released and Hamas are disappeared as a force then nothing will happen.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Before you get too far along with the Suez Canal, you might want to read about the expansion and outcomes of the Arab/Muslim caliphates invading and occupying much of in Europe from 711. 

 

Oh, and not just the nicer bits.

 

   Do Thailand 7 /11s sell them as well 

[Social Media]

@thaibeachlovers enough of the inflammatory false claims please. This is a discussion thread not your trolling thread.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

15 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

 

Even they can see the horse they backed is a loser.

 

Nail firmly on the head; they were happy enough with Hamas, with some of them joining in, when Hamas slaughtered nearly twelve hundred innocent Israelis, and thousands of them were happy when they lined the streets of Gaza, spitting on the dead, dying, and mutilated bodies of hostages. Now, suddenly, with a change of the guard, and the fleeting possibility that Hamas might actually cause them to be forcefully evicted from Gaza, they have changed their tune.

 

And of course, the PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad) are still lurking in the shadows; to call the situation complex oversimplifies it.

 

 

 

 

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do Thailand 7 /11s sell them as well 

 

So droll.

[nauseus]

28 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are wrong, he is correct.

 

Prove it so and I will retract. 

[Jeff the Chef]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ok for someone who was a full on Hamas supporter to someone who has now realized just how Hamas manipulated this to cause the slaughter then I will take you at your word that you've changed. I agree, unless the hostages are released and Hamas are disappeared as a force then nothing will happen.

 

Thanks, back in the beginning of all this I didn't know as much as I do now, I still hold a view that none of the protagonists on either side is innocent by a long chalk, but we all have to move forward or I can see this to be never ending.

[Nick Carter icp]

20 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Thanks, back in the beginning of all this I didn't know as much as I do now, I still hold a view that none of the protagonists on either side is innocent by a long chalk, but we all have to move forward or I can see this to be never ending.

 

   NO. 

You've  got to go .

You cannot stay any longer . 

You've been given the red card, an eviction order, a divorce .

Its over 

[Nick Carter icp]

55 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You are wrong, he is correct.

 

  The claim was that Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully before 1948 

Exhibit 1 

Jews and Arabs fight in 1921 (before Israel was formed) which led to 100 deaths and 100's injured 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots

 

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   NO. 

You've  got to go .

You cannot stay any longer . 

You've been given the red card, an eviction order, a divorce .

Its over 

 

Thanks for your support, I will wear it always.

 

Nick, we all have one, but not all of us can speak out of it, now try not to be a pain.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

 

Even they can see the horse they backed is a loser.

It might be instructive for you to take a look at the vote count in favor of Hamas at the election that brought Hamas to power.

 

It’s a long while back, but it will nevertheless give an idea of what percentage of people in Gaza backed Hamas at the time.

 

Hamas never has had a majority support in Gaza.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It might be instructive for you to take a look at the vote count in favor of Hamas at the election that brought Hamas to power.

It’s a long while back, but it will nevertheless give an idea of what percentage of people in Gaza backed Hamas at the time.

Hamas never has had a majority support in Gaza.

 

   72 % of Palestinians supported the Hamas attack on Israel on Oct 7 th 

 

The poll revealed that overall support for Hamas has decreased. In December, 72% of respondents from both Gaza and the West Bank supported Hamas’ decision to attack Israel on October 7, 

 

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/analysis-hamas-is-losing-ground-no-matter-what-polls-say/