Rising Defiance: Armed Gaza Clans Call for Uprising Against Hamas

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6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So pop goes the narrative that they are all Hamas supporters.

 

 

No one ever said they were all Hamas supporters. What was said they were too frightened to speak out against Hamas.

[ChicagoExpat]

25 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It might be instructive for you to take a look at the vote count in favor of Hamas at the election that brought Hamas to power.

 

It’s a long while back, but it will nevertheless give an idea of what percentage of people in Gaza backed Hamas at the time.

 

Hamas never has had a majority support in Gaza.

I'm aware.  They had close to half and shortly thereafter wiped out Fatah.

[Nick Carter icp]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So pop goes the narrative that they are all Hamas supporters.

 

    72 % of Palestinians supported Hamas and the Oct 7 th attack on Israel ,

Hamas are losing support because they are losing the war .

   They aren't protesting against Hamas because they disagree with their ideology , they oppose Hamas because they are losing the war 

[Nick Carter icp]

7 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Thanks for your support, I will wear it always.

Nick, we all have one, but not all of us can speak out of it, now try not to be a pain.

 

   Jeff . 

Its Israel and the USA who will decide the future , 

The Palestinians will not be asked to any talks or negotiating tables .

Hams los and they took Hezbollah and the Hothis with them and quite possible Iran will be going as well .

   You are in no position to make requests or suggestions (about the future of Gaza )

[Patong2021]

9 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Absolute nonsense.

What is nonsense. 

[Patong2021]

So what if Hamas is removed? Hamas initially had the support of Gazans because of the horrible corruption of Fatah. Hamas initially did a better job of caring for the gazans.

Replacing Hamas with the PLA which is Fatah ,will only shift the underlying problems. Hamas  is a branch of the  Muslim Brotherhood which is why Egypt is not particularly sympathetic to  Gaza.  Who is supposed to run Gaza? One of the other more violent terrorist groups? Islamic Jihad? Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades: Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP)? National Resistance Brigades: Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)? Al-Nasser Salah al-Deen Brigades: Popular Resistance Committees (PRC)? and so on.

 

The only option is to treat Gaza like a failed state and to put it under guardianship. Perhaps, an arab led multinational with international support that can teach responsible government. Then after 5-10 years, a proper election.

[Cryingdick]

11 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The change of attitude needs to be from Hamas to release the hostages, then things start to move, not until.

 

Hamas needs to surrender unconditionally, come out with hands up and then the hostages of which there are actually millions can be freed. 

[Jeff the Chef]

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Jeff . 

Its Israel and the USA who will decide the future , 

The Palestinians will not be asked to any talks or negotiating tables .

Hams los and they took Hezbollah and the Hothis with them and quite possible Iran will be going as well .

   You are in no position to make requests or suggestions (about the future of Gaza )

 

I was never in a position to make requests or suggestions on the future of Gaza, but I did think there could be a glimmer hope for peace in the OP, although a lot of compromised would be needed from both sides.

 

The future is surely is up to the people of the region, the UN should be the arbiters between both parties, the people of Gaza and Israel, the rest i,e, the USA, and Iran should accept that, and keep their noses out.

[Bkk Brian]

Too late, should have listened to your terrorist leaders when it all kicked of, they were being honest.

 

Irate anti-Hamas protester in Gaza says Oct. 7 massacre backfired ‘for all of our people,’ wants terror group overthrown

https://nypost.com/2025/03/26/world-news/irate-anti-hamas-protester-in-gaza-says-oct-7-massacre-backfired-for-all-of-our-people-wants-terror-group-overthrown

 

The terrorist leaders warning you...............................

 

Hamas’s Sinwar said to laud high civilian death toll in Gaza as ‘necessary sacrifice’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamass-sinwar-said-to-laud-high-civilian-death-toll-in-gaza-as-necessary-sacrifice/

 

Human sacrifice is central to Hamas’s strategy

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4295601-human-sacrifice-is-central-to-hamass-strategy/

[Eloquent pilgrim]

5 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The future is surely is up to the people of the region, the UN should be the arbiters between both parties, the people of Gaza and Israel

 

Not sure why anyone would want the UN anywhere near any future negotiations Jeff. Their agency in Gaza, UNRWA, are staffed almost exclusively by Palestinians, and not only did some of their members take part in the atrocities of 7th Oct 23, but they have been holding innocent hostages in some of their facilities in Gaza.

 

Then you have the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) which has been a catastrophic failure, having allowed Hezbollah to place rocket launchers and burrow tunnels right under the noses of UN forces along Lebanon’s southern border with Israel. The UN is institutionally antisemitic and must, at all cost, be kept well away from any talks on the future of Gaza.  …. 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

6 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

I was never in a position to make requests or suggestions on the future of Gaza, but I did think there could be a glimmer hope for peace in the OP, although a lot of compromised would be needed from both sides.

 

The future is surely is up to the people of the region, the UN should be the arbiters between both parties, the people of Gaza and Israel, the rest i,e, the USA, and Iran should accept that, and keep their noses out.

 

   That is a cunning plan .

Remove the Israel sympathetic USA from the table and replace them with the Hamas sympathetic U,N

   Israel to concede the upper hand and hand everything to an enemy

Nice try, but NOPE , it ain't going to happen 

[Jeff the Chef]

5 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Not sure why anyone would want the UN anywhere near any future negotiations Jeff. Their agency in Gaza, UNRWA, are staffed almost exclusively by Palestinians, and not only did some of their members take part in the atrocities of 7th Oct 23, but they have been holding innocent hostages in some of their facilities in Gaza.

 

Then you have the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) which has been a catastrophic failure, having allowed Hezbollah to place rocket launchers and burrow tunnels right under the noses of UN forces along Lebanon’s southern border with Israel. The UN is institutionally antisemitic and must, at all cost, be kept well away from any talks on the future of Gaza.  …. 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Not sure why anyone would want the UN anywhere near any future negotiations Jeff. Their agency in Gaza, UNRWA, are staffed almost exclusively by Palestinians, and not only did some of their members take part in the atrocities of 7th Oct 23, but they have been holding innocent hostages in some of their facilities in Gaza.

 

Then you have the UN Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) which has been a catastrophic failure, having allowed Hezbollah to place rocket launchers and burrow tunnels right under the noses of UN forces along Lebanon’s southern border with Israel. The UN is institutionally antisemitic and must, at all cost, be kept well away from any talks on the future of Gaza.  …. 

 

 

 

If not the UN, who?

[Jeff the Chef]

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is a cunning plan .

Remove the Israel sympathetic USA from the table and replace them with the Hamas sympathetic U,N

   Israel to concede the upper hand and hand everything to an enemy

Nice try, but NOPE , it ain't going to happen 

 

As you say, the USA is sympathetic to Israel, and no doubt Iran is sympathetic to all the Arad/Muslim Factions, I don't think anyone can argue with that.

 

Israel wins every time there is a conflict in the area, but still nothing changes, somewhere along the line someone has got to compromise, from the OP could there be a chance of change by the people of Gaza, we will never know unless there is some sort of dialogue.

 

 There are still over 2 million human beings in Gaza, whether they are all Terrorists or Refugees of past conflicts, they are still there.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

13 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

As you say, the USA is sympathetic to Israel, and no doubt Iran is sympathetic to all the Arad/Muslim Factions, I don't think anyone can argue with that.

 

Israel wins every time there is a conflict in the area, but still nothing changes, somewhere along the line someone has got to compromise, from the OP could there be a chance of change by the people of Gaza, we will never know unless there is some sort of dialogue.

 

 There are still over 2 million human beings in Gaza, whether they are all Terrorists or Refugees of past conflicts, they are still there.

 

 

 

   They cannot live together peacefully .

The only way to have a peaceful future is for one of them to leave  .

They would just begrudging live together for a few years then there would be another war .

   For a peaceful future, one of them needs to leave 

[Jeff the Chef]

26 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They cannot live together peacefully .

The only way to have a peaceful future is for one of them to leave  .

They would just begrudging live together for a few years then there would be another war .

   For a peaceful future, one of them needs to leave 

 

They cannot live together peacefully: Why?

 

The only way to have a peaceful future is for one of them to leave: Who?

 

They would just begrudging live together for a few years then there would be another war: Even if both sides treated one another Fairly with equal respect?

 

For a peaceful future, one of them needs to leave: Again, who and why.

 

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

They cannot live together peacefully: Why?

 

 

Because Palestinians do not accept Israel's right to exist and they want all the land for themselves and they will either get that or die trying 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

The only way to have a peaceful future is for one of them to leave: Who?

 

Palestinians , they fight all the time  with everyone 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

They would just begrudging live together for a few years then there would be another war: Even if both sides treated one another Fairly with equal respect?

 

Nope, there is no chance that Palestinians will accept Israel right to exist 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

or a peaceful future, one of them needs to leave: Again, who and why.

 

   Palestinians because of Oct 7 th 

Israelis cannot be expected to live anywhere near them due to the possibility of it happening again 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

They cannot live together peacefully: Why?

 

 

Because Palestinians do not accept Israel's right to exist and they want all the land for themselves and they will either get that or die trying 

 

 

 

Let's suppose the Palestinians do accept Israel's right to exist by rising up against Hamas and handing over to Israel all Hostages, Hamas personnel, weapons, and infrastructure would that change the Israeli position?

[Nick Carter icp]

21 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Let's suppose the Palestinians do accept Israel's right to exist by rising up against Hamas and handing over to Israel all Hostages, Hamas personnel, weapons, and infrastructure would that change the Israeli position?

 

   I very much doubt it . 

Zero trust now .

We saw the young generation of Palestinians  dancing on the graves of dead Israeli babies  , cannot see them being reasonable when they get older 

[mrwebb8825]

On 3/27/2025 at 7:03 PM, Social Media said:

The statement issued by the southern Gaza clans ended with a clear and decisive demand: “Hamas must lift its hand from Gaza immediately and end this unjust siege imposed on us because of decisions that do not represent us.”  

 

As unrest continues to spread, these protests mark a pivotal moment in Gaza, potentially reshaping the region’s political landscape in the face of long-standing turmoil.

This^^ - When there's an "Infestation" you exterminate it. Hoping Israel and the US are taking full advantage of this and arranging a meeting with clan leaders AND their heirs to locate Hamas pockets and the hostages. The aftermath should be achieved the same way. Israel, the US and clan leaders to move forward with reconstruction AND elections AND, dare I say it, a PEACE DEAL.

[Nick Carter icp]

A 22 year old Palestinian  was abducted tortured and killed two days ago .

All the did was protest .

Another Palestinian got beaten and arrested after allegedly throwing stones at the IDF and he then got released .

    The stone thrower was reported on Worldwide , him getting a beating after throwing stones was all ov er the media .

   The dead 22 year old didn't hardly get any media attention at all .

The media 100 % focused on the breaten man and ignored the dead man .

   Why was that ?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/22-year-old-palestinian-tortured-killed-by-hamas-after-joining-gaza-protests-against-terror-group/

 

 

 

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I very much doubt it . 

Zero trust now .

We saw the young generation of Palestinians  dancing on the graves of dead Israeli babies  , cannot see them being reasonable when they get older 

 

Your view is the same as the hardliners in Israel, there needs to be some sensible dialogue with this faction of Palestinians if there is any chance that they have at last, after all these years of occupation and conflict perhaps seen the light and are ready to change, hopefully in favour of a sustainable peace deal and recognition of Israel's right to exist.

[Nick Carter icp]

14 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Your view is the same as the hardliners in Israel, there needs to be some sensible dialogue with this faction of Palestinians if there is any chance that they have at last, after all these years of occupation and conflict perhaps seen the light and are ready to change, hopefully in favour of a sustainable peace deal and recognition of Israel's right to exist.

 

   What faction of Palestinians are you talking about ?

There is no Palestinians faction that is willing to recognise Israel .

Theydo oppose Hamas , but that doesn't mean they side with Israel .

   They oppose Hamas and oppose Israel equally 

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What faction of Palestinians are you talking about ?

There is no Palestinians faction that is willing to recognise Israel .

Theydo oppose Hamas , but that doesn't mean they side with Israel .

   They oppose Hamas and oppose Israel equally 

 

There are still over 2 million people in Gaza, without any serious dialogue nobody will ever know if there has been a sea change in there view of Israel.

After 18 years of Hamas rule by the gun and intimidation, could it be the silent majority have finally woken up to the fact that recognising Israel is the only way to stop the slaughter and occupation.

From the OP the people want change and if there is a glimmer of hope it must be treated as such by all parties concerned.

 

Yes, I understand that Hamas has to be driven out of Gaza and the hostages returned, but at what cost to the population in-situ, and the moral compass of Israel?

 

Not wanting to wave a red flag at a bull, but the question of War Crimes and Genocide will be more justifiable if this carries on much longer, especially after these latest days of protests from within Gaza.

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

There are still over 2 million people in Gaza, without any serious dialogue nobody will ever know if there has been a sea change in there view of Israel.

After 18 years of Hamas rule by the gun and intimidation, could it be the silent majority have finally woken up to the fact that recognising Israel is the only way to stop the slaughter and occupation.

From the OP the people want change and if there is a glimmer of hope it must be treated as such by all parties concerned.

 

Yes, I understand that Hamas has to be driven out of Gaza and the hostages returned, but at what cost to the population in-situ, and the moral compass of Israel?

 

Not wanting to wave a red flag at a bull, but the question of War Crimes and Genocide will be more justifiable if this carries on much longer, especially after these latest days of protests from within Gaza.

 

One of your previous quotes. 

 

"as far as I'm concerned whatever Hamas does is lawful and above board"

 

For someone who supported terrorists before and now claimed to have changed because he did not know as much then yet now comes up with this response makes me wonder if all you've done is change tact because Hamas are losing in every way.

 

7 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Not wanting to wave a red flag at a bull, but the question of War Crimes and Genocide will be more justifiable if this carries on much longer, especially after these latest days of protests from within Gaza.

 

Tell that to Hamas and the thousands of Palestinians who invaded on Oct 7th when this war started and dragged back to toture, rape and murder over 200 hostages. Tell that to Hamas and the others still holding hostages. They are the ones carrying out multiple war crimes daily. 

 

The only step forward is the immediate release of all hostages, Hamas to lay down their arms and the war will stop. Israel have even stated that Hamas leaders left can leave the strip.

 

This Hamas apologetic Genocide slur is baseless and really does show you've not really changed at all. There is no Genocide going on and there will be none if this carries on. The war crimes will go on though correct. By Hamas, holding onto hostages and using civilians as human shields.

 

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

46 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

One of your previous quotes. 

 

"as far as I'm concerned whatever Hamas does is lawful and above board"

 

For someone who supported terrorists before and now claimed to have changed because he did not know as much then yet now comes up with this response makes me wonder if all you've done is change tact because Hamas are losing in every way.

 

 

Tell that to Hamas and the thousands of Palestinians who invaded on Oct 7th when this war started and dragged back to toture, rape and murder over 200 hostages. Tell that to Hamas and the others still holding hostages. They are the ones carrying out multiple war crimes daily. The ones who dragged back over 200 hostages to torture, rape and murder in exchange for more of their terrorists in Israeli prisons.

 

The only step forward is the immediate release of all hostages, Hamas to lay down their arms and the war will stop. Israel have even stated that Hamas leaders left can leave the strip.

 

This Hamas apologetic Genocide slur is baseless and really does show you've not really changed at all. There is no Genocide going on and there will be none if this carries on. The war crimes will go on though correct. By Hamas, holding onto hostages and using civilians as human shields.

 

 

 

 

In previous posts with you earlier in this topic, I said: 

 

Maybe I've mellowed in my old age, I just think if ever there was a time to end this ceaseless slaughter maybe this it.

This article at least shows there is some resistance to Hamas and that needs to be nurtured, get rid of Hamas, get the hostages back and open the possibility of a peaceful co-existence, It will take major compromises from both sides. I know, but where there's a will there's away.

 

Your reply:

 

Ok for someone who was a full on Hamas supporter to someone who has now realized just how Hamas manipulated this to cause the slaughter then I will take you at your word that you've changed. I agree, unless the hostages are released and Hamas are disappeared as a force then nothing will happen.

 

I've said all through this current topic that both sides will have to make major compromises to bring this to a peaceful end, 

 

I agree with you Hamas must not exist, and the hostages must be freed,, I also said the whole place needs to be weapons free with complete openness to all tunnels, terrorist infostructure, so the whole World can see, Joint Arab/Israeli policing, and a complete change of attitude from both sides, whether that's possible after the recent history of this conflict remains to be seen.

 

My last comment: Not wanting to wave a red flag at a bull, but the question of War Crimes and Genocide will be more justifiable if this carries on much longer, especially after these latest days of protests from within Gaza.

 

The fact of the matter is there is now some opposition in Gaza to Hamas, the World can see that, now if Israel now go back to full on military action as they were doing prior to the last peace deal it doesn't look good, 50,000 dead and counting, still leaves over 2 million left, what is to happen with them?

This is an opportunity for Israel to help the willing Palestinians that may or may not have seen the light, as I've said all through this thread, huge compromises will have to be made by both sides.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

In previous posts with you earlier in this topic, I said: 

 

Maybe I've mellowed in my old age, I just think if ever there was a time to end this ceaseless slaughter maybe this it.

This article at least shows there is some resistance to Hamas and that needs to be nurtured, get rid of Hamas, get the hostages back and open the possibility of a peaceful co-existence, It will take major compromises from both sides. I know, but where there's a will there's away.

 

Your reply:

 

Ok for someone who was a full on Hamas supporter to someone who has now realized just how Hamas manipulated this to cause the slaughter then I will take you at your word that you've changed. I agree, unless the hostages are released and Hamas are disappeared as a force then nothing will happen.

 

I've said all through this current topic that both sides will have to make major compromises to bring this to a peaceful end, 

 

I agree with you Hamas must not exist, and the hostages must be freed,, I also said the whole place needs to be weapons free with complete openness to all tunnels, terrorist infostructure, so the whole World can see, Joint Arab/Israeli policing, and a complete change of attitude from both sides, whether that's possible after the recent history of this conflict remains to be seen.

 

My last comment: Not wanting to wave a red flag at a bull, but the question of War Crimes and Genocide will be more justifiable if this carries on much longer, especially after these latest days of protests from within Gaza.

 

The fact of the matter is there is now some opposition in Gaza to Hamas, the World can see that, now if Israel now go back to full on military action as they were doing prior to the last peace deal it doesn't look good, 50,000 dead and counting, still leaves over 2 million left, what is to happen with them?

This is an opportunity for Israel to help the willing Palestinians that may or may not have seen the light, as I've said all through this thread, huge compromises will have to be made by both sides.

 

 

The fact of the matter is there is now some opposition in Gaza to Hamas, the World can see that, now if Israel now go back to full on military action as they were doing prior to the last peace deal it doesn't look good, 50,000 dead and counting, still leaves over 2 million left, what is to happen with them?

This is an opportunity for Israel to help the willing Palestinians that may or may not have seen the light, as I've said all through this thread, huge compromises will have to be made by both sides.

 

There you go again. Israel have no choice but to fight back. Hamas has no intention of disappearing, its soul mission is to wipe out Israel. They are not going through negotiations and they are not releasing hostages. 50,000 dead, again you are forgetting this is Hamas numbers you are parroting and do not take into account the 20,000 dead or so terrorists in that number that Hamas conveniently leave out.

 

Same same from you.

 

As for the opportunities now, you keep asking as if its up to Israel. Its not. They cannot do anything about it, only Hamas who are the ones still controlling Gaza. Still holding hostages and still with the intent of carrying out more Oct 7th as soon as they can.

[Jeff the Chef]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There you go again. Israel have no choice but to fight back. Hamas has no intention of disappearing, its soul mission is to wipe out Israel. They are not going through negotiations and they are not releasing hostages. 50,000 dead, again you are forgetting this is Hamas numbers you are parroting and do not take into account the 20,000 dead or so terrorists in that number that Hamas conveniently leave out.

 

Same same from you.

 

As for the opportunities now, you keep asking as if its up to Israel. Its not. They cannot do anything about it, only Hamas who are the ones still controlling Gaza. Still holding hostages and still with the intent of carrying out more Oct 7th as soon as they can.

 

Hamas as you say have no intentions of giving up, hostages or their mission to annihilate Israel, but what of the upwards of 2 million Palestinians left? However many of the 50,000 dead so far are Hamas I don't care, they are dead, you can double that figure and however many you want to class as Hamas fighters they are still dead. Will it ever be known what the full casualty numbers will be, the point of all this is to at least try to stop the carnage.

 

Both sides have an opportunity if either of them want to make the move, Palestinians can give up Hamas with all their weapons/infrastructure, and help the Israeli's with returning all Hostage's and The Israeli's need to help the Palestinians that want to do this, the priority must be Hamas and Hostages out. 

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Hamas as you say have no intentions of giving up, hostages or their mission to annihilate Israel, but what of the upwards of 2 million Palestinians left? However many of the 50,000 dead so far are Hamas I don't care, they are dead, you can double that figure and however many you want to class as Hamas fighters they are still dead. Will it ever be known what the full casualty numbers will be, the point of all this is to at least try to stop the carnage.

 

Both sides have an opportunity if either of them want to make the move, Palestinians can give up Hamas with all their weapons/infrastructure, and help the Israeli's with returning all Hostage's and The Israeli's need to help the Palestinians that want to do this, the priority must be Hamas and Hostages out. 

No you don't care on fake figures given by Hamas but still use them and you really should care how many of them are the terrorists as it makes a massive difference. Yet again you miss the obvious but freely come out with the Genocide slurs.

 

Your last paragraph, both sides have the opportunity? How are  Palestinians going to give up Hamas with all their weapons/infrastructure and help with the return of hostages? Have you forgot the clans involved in this? Read the OP again. The real innocent civilians however many they number? are also being held hostage in this by Hamas and clans

 

 

[Jeff the Chef]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No you don't care on fake figures given by Hamas but still use them and you really should care how many of them are the terrorists as it makes a massive difference. Yet again you miss the obvious but freely come out with the Genocide slurs.

 

Your last paragraph, both sides have the opportunity? How are  Palestinians going to give up Hamas with all their weapons/infrastructure and help with the return of hostages? Have you forgot the clans involved in this? Read the OP again. The real innocent civilians however many they number? are also being held hostage in this by Hamas

 

 

 

Whether the figures are fake, not counting the Hamas dead is irrelevant, the propaganda you are trying to make out of figures I think will never be more than a guestimate, will the truth ever be known?

 

I knew the "Red flag to a bull comment" on genocide would set you off, but can you not see it is not up to you, me, or anyone else on AN to determine that, leave it to the powers that be.

 

I still stand by what I said:

 

The fact of the matter is there is now some opposition in Gaza to Hamas, the World can see that, now if Israel now go back to full on military action as they were doing prior to the last peace deal it doesn't look good, 50,000 dead and counting, still leaves over 2 million left, what is to happen with them?

This is an opportunity for Israel to help the willing Palestinians that may or may not have seen the light, as I've said all through this thread, huge compromises will have to be made by both sides.

 

And now another thread: 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Whether the figures are fake, not counting the Hamas dead is irrelevant, the propaganda you are trying to make out of figures I think will never be more than a guestimate, will the truth ever be known?

 

I knew the "Red flag to a bull comment" on genocide would set you off, but can you not see it is not up to you, me, or anyone else on AN to determine that, leave it to the powers that be.

 

I still stand by what I said:

 

The fact of the matter is there is now some opposition in Gaza to Hamas, the World can see that, now if Israel now go back to full on military action as they were doing prior to the last peace deal it doesn't look good, 50,000 dead and counting, still leaves over 2 million left, what is to happen with them?

This is an opportunity for Israel to help the willing Palestinians that may or may not have seen the light, as I've said all through this thread, huge compromises will have to be made by both sides.

 

And now another thread: 

 

Well standing by what you said only leaves one conclusion.

 

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

One of your previous quotes. 

 

"as far as I'm concerned whatever Hamas does is lawful and above board"

 

For someone who supported terrorists before and now claimed to have changed because he did not know as much then yet now comes up with this response makes me wonder if all you've done is change tact because Hamas are losing in every way.

 

 

Tell that to Hamas and the thousands of Palestinians who invaded on Oct 7th when this war started and dragged back to toture, rape and murder over 200 hostages. Tell that to Hamas and the others still holding hostages. They are the ones carrying out multiple war crimes daily. 

 

The only step forward is the immediate release of all hostages, Hamas to lay down their arms and the war will stop. Israel have even stated that Hamas leaders left can leave the strip.

 

This Hamas apologetic Genocide slur is baseless and really does show you've not really changed at all. There is no Genocide going on and there will be none if this carries on. The war crimes will go on though correct. By Hamas, holding onto hostages and using civilians as human shields.