Why are Trump supporters so unwilling to criticize even some of his policies?

[Mike_Hunt]

 

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

More blaming Biden for inflation. Most of the world suffer from high inflation in the wake of COVID. Is that Biden's fault too? A rational person would look for a common cause for worldwide inflation. As for the tech industry losing jobs, you ask the question but you didn't provide an answer. Have you got one with a legitimate source to back it up?

 

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/05/11/joe-biden-is-more-responsible-for-high-inflation-than-for-abundant-jobs

 

Joe Biden is more responsible for high inflation than for abundant jobs

The main effect of the president’s economic policies has been to boost prices

[vinny41]

The US firms backing Trump's fight over trade

But try looking for American-made jelly in Europe, and you're likely to come up short.

The US exports less than $300,000 (£231,000) in jam each year to the bloc.

It's an imbalance that US company JM Smucker, one of the biggest sellers of such products in the US, blames on a 24%-plus import tax its fruit spreads face in the EU.

Apple farmers raised the big disparity in import duties their fruit faces in countries such as India (50%), Thailand (40%) and Brazil (10%), as well as sanitary rules in countries such as Australia they said unfairly block their exports.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c04z0ydvql2o

i have yet to see a single post which supports that  Trump is wrong on tariffs

Importing a car from the UK to the USA charges were December 2024 import tariffs 2.5% value of car plus 0.5% harbour tax total 3%

Importing a car from the USA to the UK 10% import tariff of the value of the vehicle plus 20% Vat Total 30%

[JensenZ]

On 3/29/2025 at 7:08 PM, MalcolmB said:

Trump won because he appeals to the uneducated masses, the American Idiot.
The numpties. The simpletons. The inbreds. The deplorables.

They don’t really understand policy, just short slogans. 

Trump won because the Democrats were all of the above. They lost the unlosable election twice, if not three times. That's the height of stupidity. You couldn't be much dumber than that...

[xylophone]

8 minutes ago, JensenZ said:

You couldn't be much dumber than that...

Well, electing a dumb, compulsive liar who was also a felon and who also steals from a charity, and the poor unsuspecting supporters who enrolled in Trump University, not to mention a few other things, would have to be the height of "dumbness"!!

 

Worthwhile considering that Trump also said that he likes the "poorly educated" and it would appear that a great many of those who supported him would fit that category, so you end up with poorly educated/dumb supporters and an extremely incompetent White House team, most of whom who have no experience in the departments which they head up....... that is the stupidest thing one could ever imagine, but the orange clown sought out and appealed to the great unwashed.

 

Stupid is as stupid does, and as a friend of mine has said: – "Never has such a fool been so ridiculed by so many for so long". Just goes to show how dumb the poorly educated Americans really are.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

There is zero data to back up this statement. 

Fox News disagrees with you.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

 

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/05/11/joe-biden-is-more-responsible-for-high-inflation-than-for-abundant-jobs

 

 

Joe Biden is more responsible for high inflation than for abundant jobs

The main effect of the president’s economic policies has been to boost prices

I wonder what the opinion of the Economist was  11/2 years later...

America’s economy is bigger and better than ever

America has long married light-touch regulation with speedy and generous spending when a crisis hits. Although supersized stimulus during the pandemic fuelled inflation, it has also ensured that America has grown by 10% since 2020, three times the pace of the rest of the g7. By contrast, stingier Germany is mired in recession for a second consecutive year.

https://archive.ph/UKQ9s#selection-973.41-977.85

 

 

[bendejo]

On 4/1/2025 at 3:07 AM, vinny41 said:

I have yet to see a single post which supports that  Trump is wrong on tariffs

 

This is what I'm curious about: the debate is the definition of tariff, which should be settled by a dictionary. 

He claims he's collecting $$ from the countries of origin, but the US consumer will be paying.  So, his fans are going to pay the new tax and not look in the mirror?

 

 

[jimmybcool]

On 4/1/2025 at 3:07 AM, vinny41 said:

i have yet to see a single post which supports that  Trump is wrong on tariffs

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Maybe because some people are in a wait and see mode.  I look out further than a one day event or "perhaps everything gets more expensive".   The markets have a tendency to react wildly at uncertainty. 

 

If the market continues to sink and prices rise and it appears the world won't come to a reasonable agreement about tariffs in a few months THEN I will criticize Trump.  The problem with the left is it wants to critique before knowing the outcome. 

[Yagoda]

I think Trump should take off tariffs on Israel, because they are taking off tariffs on us, although hes probably trying to score a deal on the Dome.

[jerrymahoney]

On 4/1/2025 at 5:07 PM, vinny41 said:

i have yet to see a single post which supports that  Trump is wrong on tariffs

Letter from 23 Nobel Prize winning economists -- 23 OCT 2024

 

(Trump's) policies, including high tariffs even on goods from our friends and allies and regressive tax cuts for corporations and individuals, will lead to higher prices, larger deficits, and greater inequality. Among the most important determinants of economic success are the rule of law and economic and political certainty, and Trump threatens all of these.

[nauseus]

On 3/29/2025 at 9:27 PM, placeholder said:

Actually he is damaging education. Higher education for one. He's dramatically cut funding for research. Graduate students come from all over the world to pursue their studies here. Those are people that the USA didn't have to put a dime into to get an university degree. Now they'll be going elsewhere. And before the morons start going on about covid or transgender studies. those are but specks in the world of research. The alliance between universities and high tech industries has put the United States at the forefront of business developments. That will start to go away now as scientists look to other countries for support.

 

Your response the post pasted in italics, below: But Mike did not write (4), So where did (4) come from??

 

  On 3/29/2025 at 9:21 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

1) The market is down some.  OK

2) He is not wrenching education. 

3) It's not our job to support Ukraine into perpetuity. 

4) You're a thick-skulled imbecile. 

 

[nauseus]

On 3/29/2025 at 9:34 PM, placeholder said:

Typical right wing pavlovian response. I'm referring to hard science. Ya know, physics, chemistry, biology, climatology. geology, hydrology and so on and so forth. For example, Johns Hopkins had to let thousands of people go thanks to the cuts.

 

Mainly USAID cuts for foreign projects. AIDS has been around for more than 40 years. Foreign aid and relief has been sent continuously for at least that period to poor countries, from the USA and Europe. Should a country like India not be able to handle their own problems by now? 

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Mainly USAID cuts for foreign projects. AIDS has been around for more than 40 years. Foreign aid and relief has been sent continuously for at least that period to poor countries, from the USA and Europe. Should a country like India not be able to handle their own problems by now? 

Funding for all kind of US research projects has been cut. 

[nauseus]

On 3/30/2025 at 4:55 AM, placeholder said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_stock_market_decline

 

Bigger market dip in Covid 2020. Interest rates were kept too low, too long then markets rose but inflation higher by 2022.

Of course, Biden just kept spending on Build Back Butter, or some such dairy initiative.

[nauseus]

On 3/30/2025 at 7:18 PM, placeholder said:

I'm becoming aware that you live in an alternative universe. Yes there was a big corruption problem. But hopeless. No. As for denizification. That was about the Azov brigade. And they were pretty much Nazis. But they were also fighting the russians and the separatists. During WW2, Russia was the USA's ally. Did that mean that the USA was communist. What's more, the Azov brigade or what's left of it is no longer a neo-nazi fighting force. But if it's neo-nazi fighting forces you want to look for, try the Russian army.

What makes thise charges particularly ridiculous is the the current President of Ukraine is Jewish. Not only that.

"Only 5% of Ukrainians would not like to have Jews as their fellow citizens. This is the lowest level observed in all the countries of Eastern and Central Europe, as revealed in a report released on 28 March 2018 on the results of a survey conducted by the Pew Research Center (US).

Antisemitism in Europe: Ukraine turns out to be the most friendly to Jews

 

 

https://ukrainianjewishencounter.org/en/news/antisemitism-in-europe-ukraine-turns-out-to-be-the-most-friendly-to-jews/

 

 

"Russian neo-Nazi paramilitary group says it has defied President Vladimir Putin's order to delete a social media post that called for the execution of Ukrainian prisoners of war.

Task Force Rusich, which has reportedly been actively involved in fighting in Ukraine on behalf of the Kremlin, said on its Telegram channel it was pressured by Russian officials to delete a post "about the [encouragement] of execution of prisoners."

The group is believed to have had links to the now-dissolved paramilitary outfit the Wagner Group, whose late chief, Yevgeny Prigozhin, was killed after his private jet crashed in Russia's Tver region in August 2023."

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-neo-nazi-rusich-telegram-putin-war-crimes-1873703

 

Russian Neo-Nazis Participate in ‘Denazifying’ Ukraine – Der Spiegel

At least two neo-Nazi groups are fighting for Russian forces in Ukraine, throwing into question Moscow’s claims of “denazifying” its neighbor, German weekly Der Spiegel reported Sunday, citing a confidential intelligence report.

The document shared with German ministries by the BND intelligence service does not provide the exact number of far-right fighters, but identifies them as the Russian Imperial Legion and Rusich groups. 

Their involvement “makes the ostensible reason for war, the so-called ‘denazification’ of Ukraine, absurd,” BND is quoted as saying.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/23/russian-neo-nazis-participate-in-denazifying-ukraine-der-spiegel-a77762

 

 

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2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Your response the post pasted in italics, below: But Mike did not write (4), So where did (4) come from??

 

  On 3/29/2025 at 9:21 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

1) The market is down some.  OK

2) He is not wrenching education. 

3) It's not our job to support Ukraine into perpetuity. 

4) You're a thick-skulled imbecile. 

 

I suspect that the mods deleted it.

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

Bigger market dip in Covid 2020. Interest rates were kept too low, too long then markets rose but inflation higher by 2022.

Of course, Biden just kept spending on Build Back Butter, or some such dairy initiative.

And that's why inflation spiked in all the economically developed nations? Because of Joe Biden? Nothing to do with the supply chain obstructions and the imbalance between supply and demand?

[placeholder]

On 4/4/2025 at 8:24 AM, Yagoda said:

I think Trump should take off tariffs on Israel, because they are taking off tariffs on us, although hes probably trying to score a deal on the Dome.

Yes. This was definitely a huge move on the part of Israel...not.

"Israel and the U.S. signed a free trade agreement 40 years ago and around 98% of goods from the United States are now tax-free. The finance ministry noted that tariff collection from U.S. imports - mainly in the agricultural sector - stands at about 42 million shekels ($11.3 million) a year."

https://archive.ph/tE4fh

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Yes. This was definitely a huge move on the part of Israel...not.

"Israel and the U.S. signed a free trade agreement 40 years ago and around 98% of goods from the United States are now tax-free. The finance ministry noted that tariff collection from U.S. imports - mainly in the agricultural sector - stands at about 42 million shekels ($11.3 million) a year."

https://archive.ph/tE4fh

a win is a win

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

I suspect that the mods deleted it.

(4) was added  not deleted.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

And that's why inflation spiked in all the economically developed nations? Because of Joe Biden? Nothing to do with the supply chain obstructions and the imbalance between supply and demand?

 

My comment was about the USA.

[kwonitoy]

@spidermike007

 

This lady has a very good take on your OP question

 

 

[Tug]

Perhaps they flunked civics?here’s a really simple one just how much has trump accomplished with legislation within our system of government?very little he’s done a lot of ditcate via executive orders that are challenged for obvious reasons then he makes a mess in court to delay.thats not governance thats dictator stuff.

[jimmybcool]

6 hours ago, Tug said:

Perhaps they flunked civics?here’s a really simple one just how much has trump accomplished with legislation within our system of government?very little he’s done a lot of ditcate via executive orders that are challenged for obvious reasons then he makes a mess in court to delay.thats not governance thats dictator stuff.

 

Note this is the same method employed by Biden.  The problem is congress has abdicated some of it's constitutional role to presidents going back to Reagan and Clinton.  Heck I don't think the senate very presented Biden with a budget which I believe is a role they are mandated to fulfill.

 

So Trump is hardly doing this in a vacuum.