Chinese Men Caught Removing Documents from Collapsed Building in Bangkok

[Burma Bill]

5 hours ago, renaissanc said:

Beijing has ordered a cover-up. 

 

Possibly - for reference:

 

 

The Chinese Embassy has confirmed its readiness to collaborate with the Thai government on the inspection into the collapse of the State Audit Office building in Bangkok on Friday due to an earthquake.

Interior Minister Anutin Charnvirakul met with Chinese Ambassador Han Zhiqiang and Chinese disaster-management experts to discuss the incident on Sunday.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/general/40048080

[Serenity_Now]

After speaking to my Chinese friend

 

Here is the Chinese viral whispers

 

The Designer Architect was Italian and it is he who is to blame for the collapse 😄

 

WOW

[DonniePeverley]

 

 

Why are Chinese involved in the construction of the condo ?

[MikeandDow]

7 minutes ago, Serenity_Now said:

After speaking to my Chinese friend

 

Here is the Chinese viral whispers

 

The Designer Architect was Italian and it is he who is to blame for the collapse 😄

 

WOW

Building Design: Presented by FORUM ARCHITECT Co. Ltd. in 2018 and Meinhardt (Thailand) Ltd. (structural design) with a budget of 73 million baht

[Rolo89]

8 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Why are Chinese involved in the construction of the condo ?

Chinese are involved in the construction of so many projects worldwide. 

 

They're involved in building a nuclear reactor in the UK. What could go wrong

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

 

Possibly - for reference:

 

 

The Chinese Embassy has confirmed its readiness to collaborate with the Thai government on the inspection into the collapse of the State Audit Office building in Bangkok on Friday due to an earthquake.

Interior Minister Anutin Charnvirakul met with Chinese Ambassador Han Zhiqiang and Chinese disaster-management experts to discuss the incident on Sunday.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/general/40048080

This is simply something that has to be done. Doesn't mean a cover-up isn't underway which IMHO has been happening since the building came down. 

[dinsdale]

12 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Why are Chinese involved in the construction of the condo ?

Not a condo.

[WHansen]

I read somewhere that Thailand is not considered an earthquake zone and therefore the buildings do not need to be quake proof like other countries. I can't find the article again for a link though,sorry.

 

The fact Bangkok was once a swampy delta makes me wonder if liquefaction (water rising towards the surface during a quake and making it unstable) had it's part to play in the building coming down.

 

A terrible tragedy all round, RIP to those that lost their lives and hopefully those still missing are found alive.

[dinsdale]

15 minutes ago, Serenity_Now said:

After speaking to my Chinese friend

 

Here is the Chinese viral whispers

 

The Designer Architect was Italian and it is he who is to blame for the collapse 😄

 

WOW

Sadly this may be the way things go. The CCP cannot be found to be at fault. The Chinese company involved is CCP and involved in Belt and Road projects globally.

[Serenity_Now]

9 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Building Design: Presented by FORUM ARCHITECT Co. Ltd. in 2018 and Meinhardt

it is a global company who may have an Italian Architect  useless pointing out what is printed in a thai paper
atm

im just saying there is currently a deflection of blame already circulating with the Chinese social media Framework

reagrdless of who actually drafted/ designed it

[MikeandDow]

6 minutes ago, WHansen said:

I read somewhere that Thailand is not considered an earthquake zone and therefore the buildings do not need to be quake proof like other countries. I can't find the article again for a link though,sorry.

 

The fact Bangkok was once a swampy delta makes me wonder if liquefaction (water rising towards the surface during a quake and making it unstable) had it's part to play in the building coming down.

 

A terrible tragedy all round, RIP to those that lost their lives and hopefully those still missing are found alive.

There are statutes the building codes changed in 21 to incoroporate quake proof buildings

[proton]

30 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

 

Possibly - for reference:

 

 

The Chinese Embassy has confirmed its readiness to collaborate with the Thai government on the inspection into the collapse of the State Audit Office building in Bangkok on Friday due to an earthquake.

Interior Minister Anutin Charnvirakul met with Chinese Ambassador Han Zhiqiang and Chinese disaster-management experts to discuss the incident on Sunday.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/news/general/40048080

 

Like the fox offering to investigate the raid on the hen house

[proton]

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sadly this may be the way things go. The CCP cannot be found to be at fault. The Chinese company involved is CCP and involved in Belt and Road projects globally.

 

They even suggested Covid was from Italy at one point, lying is second nature to the CCP

[MikeandDow]

1 minute ago, proton said:

 

Like the fox offering to investigate the raid on the hen house

aptly put,  but who can they blame !!

[ujayujay]

7 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

 

I'm sure you're a statics expert🤣

[Negita43]

Isn't the Construction Company referred to doing an enormous amount of work around Mo Chit?

[ElwoodP]

Flame and reply removed.

[Sierra Tango]

6 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

 

Gott - it would be amazing if the concrete supports did not have reinforcement steel as usual ! Quite unbelievable !

 

Armoured steel ? Never heard of it, except in military applications.

 

IMO, unlikely that the concrete was below spec.

 

We'll see . . . .

This isgetting tiresome, Of course the concrete was below spec. If, as other posters have suggested, the cement was still too green, i.e. had not been left to cure for long enough, it would actually stiil be too damp. The extreme amount of dust produced by this building;s collapse can only be attributed to the concrete being too dry and lacking the correct ratio of water/cement/sand gravel.

[Mr Meeseeks]

7 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

What is amazing is how did they get this design approved ?? did anybody do due diligence  on this !!

 

A few thousand Baht to the right person. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

5 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

 

Hi Mike - maybe I'm being naive - does anyone know anything factual about the existence of lower grades of concrete at lower prices ? Maybe I am being naive, but it seems unconscionable to me that sub-spec material would be used in a 23 floor structure. It will be a shame if we are not given the truth when investigations are completed.

 

It is common knowledge that the concrete is sub-spec on a great many major construction projects in SEA. 

 

I had it explained to me in detail by my engineer friends (Thai and farang) who have been involved in major construction projects in Thailand since the 1970's.

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

But any first year student will tell you that Table top design is not recommened for earthquakes  and unstable soils

True. I think the words of a construction expert quoted in a BBC article, are apposite here.

 

"... it appears a "flat slab" construction process was being favoured - which is no longer recommended in earthquake-prone areas."

 

"A 'flat slab' system is a way of constructing buildings where floors are made to rest directly on columns, without using beams."

 

"While this design has cost and architectural advantages, is performs poorly during earthquakes, often failing in a brittle and sudden (almost explosive) manner."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8d4dn18nzgo

 

 

[it is what it is]

6 hours ago, TorquayFan said:

I'm always amazed to see how 'flimsy' these buidings under construction look. But surely it's the Architects for the project who specify and monitor construction and their necks may be on the line.

 

The THB 258 million reduction in the project quote could of course be connected to some criminal corruption.

 

Perhaps the structure after investigation, will be found to be in line with normal standards.

 

Or maybe unbeknown, the structure of the ground deep below made that spot, is particularly vulnerable to earthquake disturbance - not everywhere shakes to the same extent during an earthquake . . . .

 

Pity and R.I.P. the poor souls caught up in this.

 

Architects for the project who specify and monitor construction and their necks may be on the line.

 

doubt it, it should fall within the remit of building inspectors, a neutral (haha) body, if they exists at all?

[MikeandDow]

32 minutes ago, Sierra Tango said:

This isgetting tiresome, Of course the concrete was below spec. If, as other posters have suggested, the cement was still too green, i.e. had not been left to cure for long enough, it would actually stiil be too damp. The extreme amount of dust produced by this building;s collapse can only be attributed to the concrete being too dry and lacking the correct ratio of water/cement/sand gravel.

Icorrect the top out was in April 3, 2024 completion of structural work contrete was well cured for over a year

[dinsdale]

21 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

True. I think the words of a construction expert quoted in a BBC article, are apposite here.

 

"... it appears a "flat slab" construction process was being favoured - which is no longer recommended in earthquake-prone areas."

 

"A 'flat slab' system is a way of constructing buildings where floors are made to rest directly on columns, without using beams."

 

"While this design has cost and architectural advantages, is performs poorly during earthquakes, often failing in a brittle and sudden (almost explosive) manner."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8d4dn18nzgo

 

 

Bangkok is not earthquake prone. No immediate fault lines. Not sure when the last big shake like this happened in Bangkok? Long time ago if ever I would think.  

[MikeandDow]

26 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

True. I think the words of a construction expert quoted in a BBC article, are apposite here.

 

"... it appears a "flat slab" construction process was being favoured - which is no longer recommended in earthquake-prone areas."

 

"A 'flat slab' system is a way of constructing buildings where floors are made to rest directly on columns, without using beams."

 

"While this design has cost and architectural advantages, is performs poorly during earthquakes, often failing in a brittle and sudden (almost explosive) manner."

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8d4dn18nzgo

 

 

you are correct in Oz its called Table top design  very cheap constructiom method

[MikeandDow]

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Bangkok is not earthquake prone. No immediate fault lines. Not sure when the last big shake like this happened in Bangkok? Long time ago if ever I would think.  

really !!  you need to research your posts

16 active faults in Thailand pose future earthquake risks

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/news/general/40048086

 

look at the posts several posts give time a dates on the last quake in thailand

 dont need to be on fault lines as this quak has proven epicenter 1500klm away

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

"caught"..."attempting to smuggle"..."the culprits"...

 

pretty strong language considering no one knows the motive for why the records were being moved. For all anyone knows at this point, they could have been protecting them from the elements, or making sure they were preserved in order to prove no wrongdoing on their part. Let the laugh emojis roll in, but it's true.

 

 

Ya, that's certainly what it looked like, in terms of the manner in which they were removing stuff...

 

Hmm...maybe not!!!

 

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

really !!  you need to research your posts

16 active faults in Thailand pose future earthquake risks

https://www.nationthailand.com/blogs/news/general/40048086

 

look at the posts several posts give time a dates on the last quake in thailand

I didn't say there are no active faults lines in Thailand. Most are up in the north west region. My comment was Bangkok is not earthquake prone. Tell me when was the last time Bangkok had a big shake like this, which of course originated in Myanmar not Thailand.

[MikeandDow]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Ya, that's certainly what it looked like, in terms of the manner in which they were removing stuff...

 

Hmm...maybe not!!!

 

its called red handed

[MikeandDow]

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I didn't say there are no active faults lines in Thailand. Most are up in the north west region. My comment was Bangkok is not earthquake prone. Tell me when was the last time Bangkok had a big shake like this, which of course originated in Myanmar not Thailand.

06/11/1988  some damage, 1983-04-22 some damage  1975-02-17  damage people hurt,1839-03-23 damage

you dont have to be on a fault line 

Iam right on one Tha Pla District, Uttaradit,