Trump threatens China with additional 50% tariff if Beijing doesn’t scrap its retaliation

[josephbloggs]

5 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

No.

Of course China will not fold.

Too much of a loss of face.

 

BUT....We all know which country loves to threaten others, most....RIGHT?

 

ChiCom Leaders are famous for their threats.

 

Somebody should get rid of them.

 

Who should get rid of them?

 

The Chinese People must be the ones to undertake this long-overdue dirty task.

 

 

How many countries has China invaded over the last 100 years?

How many countries has the US invaded over the same time span?

Care to answer? Hint: China is not the aggressor of the last century.

 

American leaders are famous for their threats.

 

Somebody should get rid of them.

 

Who should get rid of them?

 

The American People must be the ones to undertake this long-overdue dirty task.

[GammaGlobulin]

10 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

How many countries has China invaded over the last 100 years?

 

 

Such an OLD SAW.....

Please do NOT trot this out, even one more time!

 

Please do not give me this.....AGAIN.....!!!!

 

We have all heard this bogus argument for.....decades.

 

This argument is bogus.

 

IF you wish to know why.....please just....

 

READ....

 

Thank you.

 

I have not the time nor space, here to explain.

And, even if I did have the time....you would not listen.

 

Too many intellectuals who know nothing about the present state, government, of China foolishly make this argument.

 

I have NO TIME to refute this argument here....not....unless....you.....

PAY ME to do so....

 

So...Solly.....Folks.

 

Note:  Please never forget that I am, NOW, a VERY OLD CHINA HAM.....by now....

 

 

[josephbloggs]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

 

Such an OLD SAW.....

 

Please do not give me this.....AGAIN.....!!!!

 

We have all heard this bogus argument for.....decades.

 

This argument is bogus.

 

IF you wish to know why.....please just....

 

READ....

 

Thank you.

 

I have not the time nor space, here to explain.

And, even if I did have the time....you would not listen.

 

Too many intellectuals who know nothing about the present state, government, of China foolishly make this argument.

 

I have NO TIME to refute this argument here....not....unless....you.....

PAY ME to do so....

 

So...Solly.....Folks.

 

Note:  Please never forget that I am, NOW, a VERY OLD CHINA HAM.....by now....

 

 

Ok, so you have no response. Blinkered, blinded, swallowed all the anti-China propaganda and can't see anything with your own eyes or even talk about it.

I should have known better than to engage with one of the forum's most notorious trolls, more fool me.

[GammaGlobulin]

10 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Ok, so you have no response. Blinkered, blinded, swallowed all the anti-China propaganda and can't see anything with your own eyes or even talk about it.

I should have known better than to engage with one of the forum's most notorious trolls, more fool me.

 

Please believe me....

I may be many things...but....

Above all....I am....

NOT a troll.

 

I will gladly tolerate many slings and arrows hurled at me, with equanimity.

However, there is just one epithet I am unable to abide....which is....being called a....

TROLL.

 

No...

I am NOT a troll.

 

Please keep this in mind.

Thank you....!!!!

 

Please, if you will, instead....

Just call me a....

Learned individual with a unique perspective on our world.

 

Thank you, once again....!!!!

 

 

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Please believe me....

I may be many things...but....

Above all....I am....

NOT a troll.

 

I will gladly tolerate many slings and arrows hurled at me, with equanimity.

However, there is just one epithet I am unable to abide....which is....being called a....

TROLL.

 

No...

I am NOT a troll.

 

Please keep this in mind.

Thank you....!!!!

 

Please, if you will, instead....

Just call me a....

Learned individual with a unique perspective on our world.

 

Thank you, once again....!!!!

 

 

Er.....ok.

[GammaGlobulin]

1 hour ago, josephbloggs said:

Er.....ok.

 

Tks!!!!

 

 

[JAG]

On 4/7/2025 at 10:42 PM, josephbloggs said:

You couldn't make it up. The man is a lunatic but he has the following of the cult. 

America's global influence is crumbling by the day - it is sad, but also hilarious, to watch.

I actually think the US presidency is now some kind of weird reality show and any time now the game will end.

Well, there is something in that argument - he has not exactly break own for stellar business practices - sure he created a real estate business, on inherited wealth, which is now heavily indebted. Other ventures, casinos, steaks, airlines etc have left a trail of bankruptcy.

 

He was a successful reality TV host, but unlike his political and economic efforts, when the script was closed and the studio lights went off, there was no real comeback.

 

You are right, he has created a cult. They invariably end badly

[Gecko123]

Keep an eye on Treasury rates which are creeping back up even as recession fears continue to rise. Even if foreign sovereigns don't explicitly adopt a tactic of boycotting US debt, Trump has generated so much distrust and dislike for his administration that interest in Treasurys, both domestically and overseas has been dampened considerably. If rates stay elevated - even as the global economy tanks - this could easily accelerate the US's fiscal crisis simply because of the increase in debt servicing costs.

 

Trump, with his singular fixation on the income tariffs generate, has completely overlooked the negative fiscal impacts of his tariff policy: decreased tax revenue from slowing economic activity, decreased tax revenue due to reduced exports, decreased tax revenue from capital losses in the stock market, decreased travel to the US, decreased tax revenue from cratering consumer confidence, higher outlays due to rising unemployment, etc. Another overlooked impact is the stress rising rates and slowing economic activity will have on the banking sector because of increased distressed loans and the spread between banks are able to offer and what depositors can receive elsewhere.     I've read that the threat of a boycott of US debt is a hollow threat because the Fed can always just step in and buy US debt, but how long do you think that would play out before there was a crisis of confidence in the US dollar?

 

I believe the failure of the Trump administration to recognize this major vulnerability, wallowing in its hubristic belief that America holds all the cards, will prove to be what forces them to reverse course on his ill thought out trade policy. Unfortunately a tremendous amount of damage which cannot easily be reversed has already been done to global trust and respect for American leadership.

[rough diamond]

8 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Above all....I am....

NOT a troll.

You most certainly are!

And one of the worst on AN!

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2 hours ago, JAG said:

Well, there is something in that argument - he has not exactly break own for stellar business practices - sure he created a real estate business, on inherited wealth, which is now heavily indebted. Other ventures, casinos, steaks, airlines etc have left a trail of bankruptcy.

 

He was a successful reality TV host, but unlike his political and economic efforts, when the script was closed and the studio lights went off, there was no real comeback.

 

You are right, he has created a cult. They invariably end badly

He took over management of one of the most successful real estate businesses in New York City from his father. And then he trashed it. So much so that no New York Bank would lend him money.

[Gecko123]

4 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

Keep an eye on Treasury rates which are creeping back up even as recession fears continue to rise. Even if foreign sovereigns don't explicitly adopt a tactic of boycotting US debt, Trump has generated so much distrust and dislike for his administration that interest in Treasurys, both domestically and overseas has been dampened considerably. If rates stay elevated - even as the global economy tanks - this could easily accelerate the US's fiscal crisis simply because of the increase in debt servicing costs.

 

Trump, with his singular fixation on the income tariffs generate, has completely overlooked the negative fiscal impacts of his tariff policy: decreased tax revenue from slowing economic activity, decreased tax revenue due to reduced exports, decreased tax revenue from capital losses in the stock market, decreased travel to the US, decreased tax revenue from cratering consumer confidence, higher outlays due to rising unemployment, etc. Another overlooked impact is the stress rising rates and slowing economic activity will have on the banking sector because of increased distressed loans and the spread between banks are able to offer and what depositors can receive elsewhere.     I've read that the threat of a boycott of US debt is a hollow threat because the Fed can always just step in and buy US debt, but how long do you think that would play out before there was a crisis of confidence in the US dollar?

 

I believe the failure of the Trump administration to recognize this major vulnerability, wallowing in its hubristic belief that America holds all the cards, will prove to be what forces them to reverse course on his ill thought out trade policy. Unfortunately a tremendous amount of damage which cannot easily be reversed has already been done to global trust and respect for American leadership.

 

This is the second day of hefty basis point increase in Treasury yields, even in the face of a sharply rising recession risk. It's like the world is waking up to the fact that they're not lending money to Uncle Sam anymore, but lending money to Donald Trump, a man who cannot be viewed as a good credit risk.

[Gecko123]

6 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

 

This is the second day of hefty basis point increase in Treasury yields, even in the face of a sharply rising recession risk. It's like the world is waking up to the fact that they're not lending money to Uncle Sam anymore, but lending money to Donald Trump, a man who cannot be viewed as a good credit risk.

Good analysis of what's going on in the bond market:

 

[Digitalbanana]

China upped its retaliation to 84% today.

[Digitalbanana]

32 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

Good analysis of what's going on in the bond market:

Bonds are going down with stocks as the world disengages from the US. Normally bonds have been a safe haven when stocks were in trouble. This is the world letting the US know what they think of them and Trump today.

[3NUMBAS]

China offered a taste of that on Friday, when it added seven rare earths to its export control list, a move that threatened to cut off the supply of materials U.S. defence and technology sectors depend on.

Beijing retains the option to expand the controls to 10 other rare earths or ban exports to the U.S. outright.

In the corporate world, Trump has expressed interest in a spin-off of short video app TikTok's U.S. business.

But China also has leverage there, thanks to rules it implemented in 2020 that require the company to obtain a technology export license before transferring its "secret sauce" algorithm abroad.

[3NUMBAS]

Without rare earth metals US is in trouble ,dumb don should know better

[Gecko123]

10 minutes ago, Digitalbanana said:

Bonds are going down with stocks as the world disengages from the US. Normally bonds have been a safe haven when stocks were in trouble. This is the world letting the US know what they think of them and Trump today.

Per Priya Misra, JP Morgan asset portfolio manager, foreign investors hold about 8.5 trillion in US debt. She summed it up so beautifully and succinctly: "If the objective of tariffs is to take the trade deficit to zero, the rest of the world doesn't need to hold Treasurys." Uh-oh.

 

[Gecko123]

Great summary of Wall Street bond market gurus about recent turbulence in the bond market:

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/11/business/bond-market-trump-treasury-yield-rates/index.html

 

[JAG]

On 4/9/2025 at 7:38 AM, Gecko123 said:

Keep an eye on Treasury rates which are creeping back up even as recession fears continue to rise. Even if foreign sovereigns don't explicitly adopt a tactic of boycotting US debt, Trump has generated so much distrust and dislike for his administration that interest in Treasurys, both domestically and overseas has been dampened considerably. If rates stay elevated - even as the global economy tanks - this could easily accelerate the US's fiscal crisis simply because of the increase in debt servicing costs.

 

Trump, with his singular fixation on the income tariffs generate, has completely overlooked the negative fiscal impacts of his tariff policy: decreased tax revenue from slowing economic activity, decreased tax revenue due to reduced exports, decreased tax revenue from capital losses in the stock market, decreased travel to the US, decreased tax revenue from cratering consumer confidence, higher outlays due to rising unemployment, etc. Another overlooked impact is the stress rising rates and slowing economic activity will have on the banking sector because of increased distressed loans and the spread between banks are able to offer and what depositors can receive elsewhere.     I've read that the threat of a boycott of US debt is a hollow threat because the Fed can always just step in and buy US debt, but how long do you think that would play out before there was a crisis of confidence in the US dollar?

 

I believe the failure of the Trump administration to recognize this major vulnerability, wallowing in its hubristic belief that America holds all the cards, will prove to be what forces them to reverse course on his ill thought out trade policy. Unfortunately a tremendous amount of damage which cannot easily be reversed has already been done to global trust and respect for American leadership.

All very true. Might I also add, his gutting of the Internal Revenue Service, in the name of "government efficiency" will leave his administration ever more reliant on tariffs to fund itself.

[candide]

The only efficient way to deal with China would be a concerted plan with the US allies in Europe and Asia! Even the U.S. cannot do it alone!

 

 

Oh wait, Trump just insulted them, and is threatening to ransom them!! 🤣

[SunnyinBangrak]

On 4/9/2025 at 1:14 PM, 3NUMBAS said:

Without rare earth metals US is in trouble ,dumb don should know better

We survived just fine without them for millions of years. Can't you just keep your iphone 14 until new supply chains open up? Noddy cars are an environmental catastrophe, we will be lucky if govts stopping trying to replace real cars with garbage that last 10yrs max.

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Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

We survived just fine without them for millions of years. Can't you just keep your iphone 14 until new supply chains open up? Noddy cars are an environmental catastrophe, we will be lucky if govts stopping trying to replace real cars with garbage that last 20yrs max.

Millions of years? Millions of years ago homo sapiens didn't exist and tool using would have been rudimentary at best. What's your point? Do you have one?

[SunnyinBangrak]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Millions of years? Millions of years ago homo sapiens didn't exist and tool using would have been rudimentary at best. What's your point? Do you have one?

Were the rudimentary tools you speak of made with rare earth minerals? 

[Gecko123]

I expect the stock market will have a huge relief rally when the trade war with China finds a resolution, but I am absolutely convinced that the bond market will be factoring in a political instability/trustworthiness/credit worthiness premium as long as Trump and any remnants of the MAGA movement remain in power. The behavior of the Trump administration has traumatized not only international bond investors but domestic bond investors as well.

[impulse]

2 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

I expect the stock market will have a huge relief rally when the trade war with China finds a resolution, but I am absolutely convinced that the bond market will be factoring in a political instability/trustworthiness/credit worthiness premium as long as Trump and any remnants of the MAGA movement remain in power. The behavior of the Trump administration has traumatized not only international bond investors but domestic bond investors as well.

 

From Victor Davis Hanson:

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Were the rudimentary tools you speak of made with rare earth minerals? 

Is how life was like millions of years ago, getting along fine? You think a lot of Americans are going to get nostalgic for a time when hominids lived in a state of nature? Are you proposing that as a feasible alternative to the way people live now?

[SunnyinBangrak]

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Is how life was like millions of years ago, getting along fine? You think a lot of Americans are going to get nostalgic for a time when hominids lived in a state of nature? Are you proposing that as a feasible alternative to the way people live now?

Lets just say if it was true that we were in a climate catastrophe, and the earth was about to get cooked and we all perish, I know people like the democrat elite(and chief climate alarmists) would not be buying TWO sea level mansions. They would happily live like cavemen, or cavepeople for you, to survive. Yet, that is not what happened. Did you ever wonder why these 2 mansion purchases were censored?

"A conspiracy post was removed, continue and face a suspension. You have been warned" 

Why? Because it proves the climate cult is bs to weaken the west and help China.

[BritManToo]

On 4/9/2025 at 12:10 PM, Gecko123 said:

 

This is the second day of hefty basis point increase in Treasury yields, even in the face of a sharply rising recession risk. It's like the world is waking up to the fact that they're not lending money to Uncle Sam anymore, but lending money to Donald Trump, a man who cannot be viewed as a good credit risk.

Which government in the world you consider a good credit risk?

Everyone looks a bit shaky to me this century!

[Gecko123]

19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Which government in the world you consider a good credit risk?

Everyone looks a bit shaky to me this century!

 

You're missing the point. Credit risk is about three things: capacity, character, and collateral. What the markets are waking up to is that Trump's flawed character and erratic behavior have not been properly priced into Treasury yields.

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Noddy cars are an environmental catastrophe, we will be lucky if govts stopping trying to replace real cars with garbage that last 10yrs max.

What completely ignorant nonsense.