White House Defends Abrego Garcia Deportation, Calling Return "Out of the Question"

[jimmybcool]

8 hours ago, uncletiger said:

 

I know. We are all aware the US courts, including SCOTUS in some instances, are corrupt and engaging in judicial overreach. Legislating from the bench is one of the most serious problems that must be resolved if the US is going to remain a Republic and not turn into a dictatorship.

 

I agree there is some judicial overreach by some judges.  But I haven't seen it with SCOTUS yet.  Do you have an example?

 

[cambion]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Good news for Garcia.

It's been reported that he's not in the concentration camp any longer for now anyway but in a regular prison which I'm sure is no holiday either.

I consider him at great danger of being murdered regardless.

Neither the El Salvadorean or Trump regimes want him free and talking. 

El Salvador should simply release him there as they have nothing on him legally and the only reason he was sent to the concentration camp was because the Trump regime was paying.

But as said, it's awkward now as he has the most powerful enemy in the world.

If the Trump regime can disappear Garcia to a concentration camp without due process and get away with it, they can disappear ANYONE including U.S. citizens. without due process.

More and more non maga fascist Americans have figured that out.

This is much much bigger than Garcia.

 

CNN’s Kaitlan Collins Calls Out Trump’s ‘Doctored’ Photo Of Wrongly Deported Man — Shows It To His Lawyer

 

This case is not about whether Mr. Abrego Garcia is good or bad, whether he is or isn’t in MS-13, whether he should be able to remain for the rest of his life in the U.S. or not.

This case is about the simple fact that he was removed without due process. And if it can happen to him, and the government pushes back at every turn, despite three different courts ordering them to return him, then who’s next?

In fact it's easy to see how this could happen. So far, it has not happened to a US citizen yet, but in my view, a series of mistakes as show in recent events that have applied to different individuals, if instead applied in sequence to a single person, would add up to that result. In fact it could even happen to a Trump voter.

US Citizen and Trump voter Jensy Machado was detained for a short time by ICE as a result of mistaken identity (they were actually looking for someone else - an alien with a deportation order) at the same home address) as per https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/us-citizen-hispanic-detained-ice-questions-vote-trump-rcna195406

As mentioned earlier, US Citizen Juan Carlos Lopez Gomez was also detained by ICE, but for a longer period of time (48 hours), as per https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/article/a-us-citizen-was-held-for-pickup-by-ice-even-after-proving-he-was-born-in-the-country/

And of course, Abergo Garcia was detained and mistakenly sent to CECOT due to administrative error as even SCOTUS says in their order about the case, https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

So let us imagine that there exists a US Citizen and Trump Voter named Jensy Garcia Gomez. He has all three things happen to him, detained by ICE due to a case of mistaken identity with a deportable alien like Jensy Machado, but then held for those 48 hours like Juan Gomez, but then picked up before the time is up and put on another plane to CECOT like Abrego Garcia. (Because of the mistaken identity - so the folks picking him up and putting him on that plane still think he's the deportable alien rather than the US citizen that he actually is. And no one takes the time to double check because it's so rushed - which is what happened with Abrego Garcia and his witholding of removal order.)

Now, there is a difference. Abrego Garcia is a citizen of El Salvador who is currently in El Salvador. Our hypothetical Jensy Garcia Gomez would be different as a US citizen in El Salvador. That could make a difference - perhaps it is easier for the US government to request one of their own citizens back from another country as opposed to that country's own citizen.

Okay, so let's update our scenario. Exact same three mistakes, exact same outcome to CECOT, but this time it happens to Jensy Garcia Bukele-Gomez - who happens to be a rare dual citizen between El Salvador and the US. So when the US asks for Bukele-Gomez back, El Salvador says "sorry, he's the same as Abrego Garcia - he's one of ours." and cites the master nationality rule, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Nationality_Rule

Well, this wouldn't apply to most US citizens though I guess. I certainly don't fall into this category, so maybe I'm safe?

Final revision - same scenario as Jensy Garcia Gomez, but his name is Joe Biden. Yeah, what do you think?

[Will B Good]

He entered the United States illegally in 2011 at the age of 16. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him “withholding of removal” status—a form of legal protection that allowed him to live and work in the U.S. due to the danger he faced from gang violence if he returned to El Salvador. This status meant that, while he did not have full legal residency, he was lawfully present in the country and not subject to deportation.

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[MicroB]

The 47th President's office has released a series of images mocking Senator Christopher Van Hollen for meeting  Abrego-Garcia, and crudely altering a New York Times headline., along with a photo of the President holding an unverified photo of a tatooed hand allegedly of Abrego-Garcia, with an exaggerated scowl. Commentators have compared this posed photo to the well known meme, known as "Compo Face", commonly employed by British tabloids concerning parochial matters. Commentators have accused the President of trying to trivialise the court decision and gang violence.

 

 

 

[Cryingdick]

28 minutes ago, MicroB said:

The 47th President's office has released a series of images mocking Senator Christopher Van Hollen for meeting  Abrego-Garcia, and crudely altering a New York Times headline., along with a photo of the President holding an unverified photo of a tatooed hand allegedly of Abrego-Garcia, with an exaggerated scowl. Commentators have compared this posed photo to the well known meme, known as "Compo Face", commonly employed by British tabloids concerning parochial matters. Commentators have accused the President of trying to trivialise the court decision and gang violence.

 

 

 

 

they should ask the president of El Salvador to cut the hand off and send it north to verify it ourselves.

[sharot724]

14 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

they should ask the president of El Salvador to cut the hand off and send it north to verify it ourselves.

your brain is saturated with MAGA 

[Jingthing]

46 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

they should ask the president of El Salvador to cut the hand off and send it north to verify it ourselves.

You might consider applying to be Stephen Miller's assistant.

[Cryingdick]

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You might consider applying to be Stephen Miller's assistant.

Send him some money to help. i bet your mangina goes into spasms at the thought of that. Go on then help a brother out. The wonderful thing about people like you, is you are some weirdo outcast that never participates. 

 

Much like Abrego you asren't ever coming back and are irrelevant.

 

 

[Cryingdick]

1 hour ago, sharot724 said:

your brain is saturated with MAGA 

I didn't vote for Trump. MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA I have explained many times before then only people more despised than Trump are the dems at this point. Even the leader of the DNC is spending money to primary elderly crackpot dems.

 

I am not MAGA and I am not in the 25% minority. 

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

I didn't vote for Trump. MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA I have explained many times before then only people more despised than Trump are the dems at this point. Even the leader of the DNC is spending money to primary elderly crackpot dems.

 

I am not MAGA and I am not in the 25% minority. 

You're not maga but you play maga on TV.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're not maga but you play maga on TV.

I have MAGA tattoos on my knuckles but that isnt conclusive. i am actually fairly liberal on social issues. But what you and those of your ilk are doing is basically evil. 

 

Nobody is saying you can't bring your butt plug to school, just keep it inserted.

[Jingthing]

30 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

Send him some money to help. i bet your mangina goes into spasms at the thought of that. Go on then help a brother out. The wonderful thing about people like you, is you are some weirdo outcast that never participates. 

 

Much like Abrego you asren't ever coming back and are irrelevant.

 

 

Bizarro world post. 

This is an expat forum but according to you there is something wrong with being an expat.

Maybe you're on the wrong forum.

I didn't leave the U.S. for political reasons but I don't know why anyone in their right mind would want to even visit Trump world dystopian U.S, as a tourist now much less repatriate.

As far as Garcia, if as he should be released from El Salvador prison as he has committed no crime, I'll take the fascist Trump regime at their word that they won't ever let him back to live in the U.S.

It's his life and I hope he gets it back, but it seems to me a best choice for him is to be welcomed as a refugee in another Latin American country and his wife and kids can join him if they want to. I think he can make money talking about what the Trump fascists did to him. 

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

I have MAGA tattoos on my knuckles but that isnt conclusive. i am actually fairly liberal on social issues. But what you and those of your ilk are doing is basically evil. 

 

Nobody is saying you can't bring your butt plug to school, just keep it inserted.

Opposing maga fascism is evil? Funny. 

[Cryingdick]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Opposing maga fascism is evil? Funny. 

being on the brink of a mental melt down isn't funny. You will never live in the usa again so give it a break.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Cryingdick said:

being on the brink of a mental melt down isn't funny. You will never lives in the usa again so give it a break.

Yeah like I'm gonna take personal advice from an anonymous member who is constantly TROLLING. 

[cambion]

20 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Gangs use symbols and codes to communicate. The tats that this guy have are crystal clear, and are real.

I'd argue that the tattoos are not really crystal clear if someone had to write or type in the gang name above. I mean, if they were super clear then why is there no mention of them in the original hearing back in 2019? (I wrote above that the government's failure to introduce them as evidence back in 2019 is understandable if they didn't know about that particular variant six years ago - but if it is crystal clear then that wouldn't apply because the government should have known as soon as they said it, not six years after the first hearing and not a month after the first trial in front of Xinis.)

Here is an example of a crystal clear gang tattoo - no codes or anything, just in plain sight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13#/media/File:MS-13_tattoo.jpg
 

20 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

He is a citizen of El Salvador and is now in his home country. The reason for the non-return order is gone. The gang he asserted was going to harm him is no more, thanks to Bukele. 

Wikipedia states that the gang is still around and active, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18th_Street_gang - though perhaps El Salvador actually is safe and Barrios 18 is just active in other countries. With the right due process, an immigration judge will figure it out and act accordingly. But the point is that Garcia should not have been sent to El Salvador without going through that process, even the government admits that this was an error (an "administrative error").

[cambion]

18 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

I don't think anyone would disagree with the digitally altered image that Trump posted with text stamps to highlight the meaning of the symbols. Are all the other images that Trump did not post also altered?

I think we're all in agreement here - that one that was posted with text stamps was indeed digitally altered, with the most charitable explanation being that the alterations are just "help text" for the uninitiated, and the rest of the photos that were shared on this thread were unaltered (aside from minor things like cropping or zooming/resizing or having red circles that were obviously added for emphasis).

[Cryingdick]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah like I'm gonna take personal advice from an anonymous member who is constantly TROLLING. 

You have 3 decades of trolling. Though in the past 3 or 4 years you have shown a decline. Sharp as a tack.

[cambion]

19 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

The claim that Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s tattoos—marijuana leaf, smiley face, cross, and skull—represent MS-13 by corresponding to "M," "S," "1," and "3" is not supported by any credible evidence and appears to be a fabricated narrative.

Agreed. If it were real, then I could understand it perhaps not being brought up in the original 2019 hearing before the first immigration judge - that was almost six years ago and perhaps the government didn't know about this back then and discovered it later.

 

20 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

This interpretation seems to have emerged to retroactively justify Trump’s misleading X post on April 18, 2025, which falsely implied these tattoos indicate MS-13 membership. The narrative is likely a post-hoc attempt to obscure the apparent doctoring of the "MS-13" knuckle tattoo and Trump’s misrepresentation of Garcia’s gang status. It’s false and unsupported.

The strongest point in favor of this interpretation is that this was never presented to the Honorable Judge Paula Xinis last month when she asked for evidence, as she pointed out in her original order:
 

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In any event, Defendants have offered no evidence linking Abrego Garcia to MS-13

This have been the perfect time to introduce written testimony from someone with knowledge at CBP or DHS stating something along the lines of "I have concluded that Abrego Garcia is a member of MS-13 because of the tattoos on his finger, which represent a code or coverup of the literal text MS-13"

[cambion]

21 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

What facts, you gave opinions.

I provided both facts and opinions in the post that you quoted. I tried to edit the original post to add emphasis on fact vs opinion, but it seems that I passed a time limit on that or something that prevents me from editing it. But for example, here's a fact from that post that I'll repeat for illustration:

"Other photos do not show the actual letters or numerals present on the hand. Those were clearly added." - This is a fact.

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35 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

I didn't vote for Trump. MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA I have explained many times before then only people more despised than Trump are the dems at this point. Even the leader of the DNC is spending money to primary elderly crackpot dems.

 

I am not MAGA and I am not in the 25% minority. 

Clearly supported by your criticisms of Trump. Written in invisible pixels.

[cambion]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's his life and I hope he gets it back, but it seems to me a best choice for him is to be welcomed as a refugee in another Latin American country and his wife and kids can join him if they want to.

Not even Latin America necessarily. Considering the nationwide prominence (even Australia is reporting on him now, e.g. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-19/kilmar-abrego-garcia-meets-us-senator-/105192988 ) he could probably find a place farther afield.

Back in 2019, this is what happened to a different person - I don't think his identity was ever revealed, he was just known as "Henry" - but after his deportation from the US back to El Salvador, he was accepted into a country in Europe as per https://www.propublica.org/article/ms-13-member-who-secretly-helped-police-is-deported

[Chomper Higgot]

44 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

I didn't vote for Trump. MAGA MAGA MAGA MAGA I have explained many times before then only people more despised than Trump are the dems at this point. Even the leader of the DNC is spending money to primary elderly crackpot dems.

 

I am not MAGA and I am not in the 25% minority. 

Having seen which way the wind is blowing you suddenly ‘aren't MAGA’.

 

Unfortunately for you, your posting history says otherwise.

[Jingthing]

24 minutes ago, cambion said:

Not even Latin America necessarily. Considering the nationwide prominence (even Australia is reporting on him now, e.g. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-19/kilmar-abrego-garcia-meets-us-senator-/105192988 ) he could probably find a place farther afield.

Back in 2019, this is what happened to a different person - I don't think his identity was ever revealed, he was just known as "Henry" - but after his deportation from the US back to El Salvador, he was accepted into a country in Europe as per https://www.propublica.org/article/ms-13-member-who-secretly-helped-police-is-deported

Good point. There would be many options in the free world which no longer includes the USA. His family might be more comfortable in an Anglophone country. He's basically a political prisoner now and he is definitely at great risk of being murdered. As far as money he can get an agent and negotiate some kind of multi mlllion dollar book/movie/exclusive press deal. Then he can seed a business from that. His family used to sell papusas. They're really good and can be sold anywhere.

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50 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

being on the brink of a mental melt down isn't funny. You will never live in the usa again so give it a break.

Making it personal is a sure sign that you've got nothing.

[b17]

On 4/17/2025 at 9:41 AM, mikeymike100 said:

Not quite, the SC said to 'facilitate' his release, which means in English....In this context, "facilitate" means the government must take reasonable steps to assist in his return, such as coordinating with Salvadoran authorities or arranging logistics, but it does not require guaranteeing his release or physically bringing him back, as the term "effectuate" might imply. The Court noted the district judge’s use of "effectuate" was likely too broad, clarifying that "facilitate" imposes a less stringent obligation, respecting the limits of U.S. jurisdiction over foreign custody while still mandating action to address the deportation error.

This has become "hair splitting" when, in "reality world", its blatantly obvious that this man is completely innocent, and should be offered significant compensation upon his safe return to his wife and family. Any other interpretation, based on what is currently known to be true, is evil and insane. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, b17 said:

This has become "hair splitting" when, in "reality world", its blatantly obvious that this man is completely innocent, and should be offered significant compensation upon his safe return to his wife and family. Any other interpretation, based on what is currently known to be true, is evil and insane. 

I agree he is not guilty. However if returned to the US he can be legally deported to anywhere but El Salvador or they can rescind the order to block to El Salvador. But that would mean a regular deportation with due process. Not being disappeared with no due process to an offshore concentration camp.  It's clear to me the Trump fascist regime wants him either dead or failing that still locked up abroad, but definitely NOT back to live with his family in the US. It's maga. Cruelty is the point.

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, b17 said:

This has become "hair splitting" when, in "reality world", its blatantly obvious that this man is completely innocent, and should be offered significant compensation upon his safe return to his wife and family. Any other interpretation, based on what is currently known to be true, is evil and insane. 

I don't know if he's guilty or not, nor do i think it matters.

It's up to the legal system to see if he's guilty or not and if deportation is required. And it gets worse when the legal system says 'he should be in the US, and the executive refuses. There are no options to force the executive to do as required, not in this case, not in other cases.

[jimmybcool]

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

I don't know if he's guilty or not, nor do i think it matters.

It's up to the legal system to see if he's guilty or not and if deportation is required. And it gets worse when the legal system says 'he should be in the US, and the executive refuses. There are no options to force the executive to do as required, not in this case, not in other cases.

 

I seriously doubt he is innocent but as you say we have a legal system and it should play out.  In the end I suspect IF El Salvador returns him his day in court will result in his deportation.  Having a wife who went through this process I can tell you it is nerve racking.  And a good lawyer helps.  But in his case the violence towards his wife, probability of human smuggling and MS-13 connections, I doubt a lawyer will change the outcome.

 

I only want his return because I believe in the rule of law.