1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

The court and police files says you are wrong on gang affiliation. 

 

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

 

 

As for the wife beating, she had to apply to the courts for a protective order against him after he left her beaten which was also carried out in front of their son. 

 

"I am afraid to be close to him. I have multiple photos/videos of how violent he can be and all the bruises he bas left me.”

Again you're wrong.

Neither the US or El Salvador has any proof of any gang affiliation.

 

As far as domestic violence is that grounds for sending a person to a concentration camp? He has no criminal record.

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Again you're wrong.

Neither the US or El Salvador has any proof of any gang affiliation.

 

As far as domestic violence is that grounds for sending a person to a concentration camp? He has no criminal record.

It's not me. It's 2 US judges regards his gang affiliation.

 

Where did you get that I was implying his wife beating was a reason to remove him? Read again what you wrote and then the facts I provided.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It's not me. It's 2 US judges regards his gang affiliation.

 

Where did you get that I was implying his wife beating was a reason to remove him? Read again what you wrote and then the facts I provided.

The man has no criminal record in any country

 

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The man has no criminal record in any country

 

I know. But you claimed there was no evidence of gang affiliation. You are wrong and deflect

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I know. But you claimed there was no evidence of gang affiliation. You are wrong and deflect

It is not proven.

He was denied due process and disapeared as in a fascist regime.

The only reason he is in a concentration camp is because the US is paying for it. El Salvador has.no.beef with him themselves. They just want the money.

No decent American can regard this as OKK

 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It is not proven.

He was denied due process and disapeared as in a fascist regime.

The only reason he is in a concentration camp is because the US is paying for it. El Salvador has.no.beef with him themselves. They just want the money.

No decent American can regard this as OKK

 

So 2 separate judges denied him bail based on the evidence of his gang membership and you say its not proven...........oh my.

 

The rest of your post is deflection again to your claim he was not a member of a gang

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So 2 separate judges denied him bail based on the evidence of his gang membership and you say its not proven...........oh my.

 

The rest of your post is deflection again to your claim he was not a member of a gang

Not proven. That's a fact.

Consider the bigger picture.

The end of American democracy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Consider the bigger picture.

The end of American democracy. 

 

https://youtu.be/p1SjVCYUIwk?si=9Qt7vBxz3AIyiUtT

No I am just considering your lies that I have corrected

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not proven. That's a fact.

Wrong, its proven, have you actually read the judgement?

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wrong, its proven, have you actually read the judgement?

Have you looked at the evidence?

Wearing a Bulls hat doesn't cut it.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2025/04/17/maryland-police-officer-report-abrego-garcia-prison/83141240007/

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No I am just considering your lies that I have corrected

I wasn’t addressing you because you obviously don't care.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Have you looked at the evidence?

Wearing a Bulls hat doesn't cut it.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2025/04/17/maryland-police-officer-report-abrego-garcia-prison/83141240007/

Yes I have but its not because of wearing a bulls cap. Proof you've not read the judges statement, already been posted twice in the topic.

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I have but its not because of wearing a bulls cap. Proof you've not read the judges statement, already been posted twice in the topic.

Again. No proof. Now he's in a concentration camp only because Trump wants to pay  for that.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/allegations-link-abrego-garcia-to-ms-13-here-s-what-we-know/ar-AA1D8zeC

Just now, Jingthing said:

Again. No proof. Now he's in a concentration camp only because Trump wants to pay  for that.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/allegations-link-abrego-garcia-to-ms-13-here-s-what-we-know/ar-AA1D8zeC

Why do you keep ignoring the judges and the legal decisions made based on evidence?

 

"Nevertheless, the judge presiding over Abrego Garcia’s 2019 case found enough evidence—based on the confidential source—to conclude that he was affiliated with the gang, a finding later upheld by another judge. This resulted in his being denied bail. During this time, he filed for asylum to avoid deportation to El Salvador, claiming his family had been targeted by Barrio-18, a rival gang."

[sarcasm alert] This whole incident is so sad.  Perhaps he can write a book about it.  Or make a movie.

4 minutes ago, swerve said:

[sarcasm alert] This whole incident is so sad.  Perhaps he can write a book about it.  Or make a movie.

If he's released from that concentration camp he should. 

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Why do you keep ignoring the judges and the legal decisions made based on evidence?

 

"Nevertheless, the judge presiding over Abrego Garcia’s 2019 case found enough evidence—based on the confidential source—to conclude that he was affiliated with the gang, a finding later upheld by another judge. This resulted in his being denied bail. During this time, he filed for asylum to avoid deportation to El Salvador, claiming his family had been targeted by Barrio-18, a rival gang."

Confidential source was corrupt

 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Confidential source was corrupt

 

The judges do not agree with you. Who is corrupting the facts here?

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The judges do not agree with you. Who is corrupting the facts here?

He had an order not to send to El Salvador. 

El Salvador has no evidence of gang membership on him.

It was  mistake to send him there at all and the White House  admitted it was a mistake. 

Correct the mistake. 

55 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No decent American can regard this as OKK

No decent American or anyone else in the democratic free world can regard this as OK!

Just now, Jingthing said:

He had an order not to send to El Salvador. 

El Salvador has no evidence of gang membership on him.

It was  mistake to send him there at all and the White House  ad.itted it was a mistake. 

Correct the mistake. 

Yes I know about the order not to send him I am not arguing that as its a legal fact, it was also a judges decision  via evidence that he was a gang member but you claim that bit is corrupt. 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

it was also a judges decision  via evidence that he was a gang member 

Evidence that has been shown to be very suspect for a number of reason which have been covered earlier.

3 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Evidence that has been shown to be very suspect for a number of reason which have been covered earlier.

Another one who is questioning the evidence that 2 separate judges took into account and made a legal decision to deny him bail because of his gang membership.

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The judges do not agree with you. Who is corrupting the facts here?

You!

10 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

You!

Really? Where? Do you have a link to dispute the below which is from BBC Verify?

 

"Nevertheless, the judge presiding over Abrego Garcia’s 2019 case found enough evidence—based on the confidential source—to conclude that he was affiliated with the gang, a finding later upheld by another judge. This resulted in his being denied bail. During this time, he filed for asylum to avoid deportation to El Salvador, claiming his family had been targeted by Barrio-18, a rival gang."

 

On 4/16/2025 at 10:37 PM, Wrwest said:

deprived of liberty without due process of the law

While Mainstream Media Defends MS-13 Gang Member, DHS Stands with the Victims of Illegal Alien Crimes

Release Date: April 15, 2025

WASHINGTON – While the mainstream media continues to peddle a sob story about a member of the brutal MS-13 gang who was in our country illegally, Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem stands with the victims of illegal alien crime.

Yesterday, a Maryland jury found Rachel Morins killer, an illegal alien from El Salvador guilty in less than an hour.

“Rachel Morin's killer was found guilty for her brutal murder,” said Secretary Noem. “This criminal illegal alien should have never been in our country in the first place. Rachel should still be here watching her five children grow up. She was a victim of open border policies that prioritized illegal aliens over the safety of American citizens. We hear far too much in the mainstream media about sob stories of gang members and criminal illegals and not enough about their victims.”

Last week, Secretary Noem re-opened the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) office. This office was first launched in 2017 by the Trump administration as a dedicated resource for those who have been victimized by crime that has a nexus to immigration. The Biden Administration shuttered the office, leaving victims and their families without access to key resources and support services.

 

Who's due process of the law, Trump's or democrats? I know they're not the same illegals but do the people in MD really want him back?

21 minutes ago, mrwebb8825 said:

 

Who's due process of the law, Trump's or democrats? I know they're not the same illegals but do the people in MD really want him back?

Marylander & US citizen here. Yes to getting Garcia back, no to Victor Martinez-Hernandez. In fact I find myself wondering why so much money and effort was spent to get rid of someone like Garcia instead of focusing on those actually dangerous like Martinez-Hernandez.

On 4/16/2025 at 11:34 PM, lordgrinz said:

 

He's an illegal immigrant, now deported back to his home country, he is exactly where he should be, God bless him.

 

I have a problem with the legality of HOW he was deported.  Yes, I have read reports that he was not a saint and was probably going to end up deported.  But they seem to have violated the system deporting him before due process here.  I like rule of law and due process. 

 

On a side note it fascinates me how the left gloms onto figures as innocents when they wish to hate Trump or middle America.  Like this guy a wife beater and probably MS-13 gang member.  Or George Floyd another dirtbag.  Or Michael Brown whose hands were not up when he was shot.  At least they could recognize Abrego isn't the kind of refugee we want to come to America.  And he was eventually going to be deported. 

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Really? Where? Do you have a link to dispute the below which is from BBC Verify?

 

"Nevertheless, the judge presiding over Abrego Garcia’s 2019 case found enough evidence—based on the confidential source—to conclude that he was affiliated with the gang, a finding later upheld by another judge. This resulted in his being denied bail. During this time, he filed for asylum to avoid deportation to El Salvador, claiming his family had been targeted by Barrio-18, a rival gang."

 

Whatever that judge decided back then, yes on absurdly weak evidence, does not mean he deserved to be sent to a concentration camp. El Salvador is sovereign and can do what it wants to it's own citizens in El Salvador to gang members, but El Salvador had nothing to do with determining if Garcia was a gang member or not. The ONLY reason Garcia is in a concentration camp now is because the Trump regime wants to pay for that. One phone call and he's out. 

Also of course ALL of the Venezuelans in the concentration camp there were put there ILLEGALLY and also without due process. 

Americans can live under the constitution and rule of law or not and tragically the maga fascists are embracing total disregard for the law and support defying court orders.

Now fascist Trump is working on sending U.S. citizens to offshore concentration camps.