Woman Mauled by Pit Bull Cross She Adopted From Shelter

[richard_smith237]

6 hours ago, Nickcage49 said:

Sad. Pits are lovely dogs if raised right. But the dog obviously had been abused when it was young. That's why these things usually happen.

 

As a dog lover I understand.

 

But we adopt all of our dogs as pups. Then we don't have this kind of issue.

 

You mean... You get the dogs early enough so you can 'train the aggression' out of them... 

[Mason45]

5 hours ago, Cat Boy said:

Why is it vicious attacks by Chihuahua and Pomeranians don't get similar press coverage ? 

Because whilst they may have a nasty bite they are not blatant killers.

[Mason45]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You mean... You get the dogs early enough so you can 'train the aggression' out of them... 

The dogs you adopt does that include pit bulls?

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, Mason45 said:

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You mean... You get the dogs early enough so you can 'train the aggression' out of them... 

The dogs you adopt does that include pit bulls?

 

Too hasty - you've misunderstood the context of my comment.... 

 

 

 

 

[Aforek]

48 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Too many halfwits are polluting this thread with the same tired drivel - 'there's no such thing as a bad dog, only bad owners.' ...... The kind of saccharine, brain-dead platitude people parrot when they’ve never encountered the raw, inbuilt aggression some breeds carry like a second skin.

 

Yes, a skilled owner might be able to suppress the ticking time-bomb of violence bred into certain dogs - but that's precisely the point.....  Other breeds don't come pre-packaged with that kind of volatile wiring. You’d have to go out of your way to brutalise them before they lash out.

 

With these 'Bull Terrier based breed....   It’s just a matter of time and circumstance, the stats speak for themselves. 

 

 

 

 

 

Agree "  'there's no such thing as a bad dog, only bad owners." 

very stupid and wrong ; they are animals , they are naturally agressive  or not ,  but you don't know what can happen  ,  some  owners who loved their dog have been bitten or killed by  him

 

you don't know what happens in their head , like people who raise baby lion or panther, they are still dangerous, it's in their genes

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Magictoad said:

Regarding it's upbringing: you are just speculating. Just guessing. You actually have NO IDEA how it was brought up. Pit bulls are dreadful dogs and in the UK & USA their owners, no better.

 

Not really.

 

He had been turned into a temple (abandoned) and then subsequently kept in a store room. Not exactly ideal for a breed that craves human attention and exercise. 

 

I've owned many bull breeds. Staffies, English Bull Terriers and American Pitbull Terriers. My father bred English Bull Terriers. Never known one that is raised properly that showed human aggression. Dog aggression? Of course, that is in their nature. But not human aggression.

 

Quite the opposite in fact. The original fighting dogs lived in the owner's family home and had to be separated mid dog fight by a human referee without being bitten. Dogs that were human aggressive were not considered worth breeding. 

 

Maybe you could do some research on the breed? Try to ban them if you like, you'll just get Cane Corsos and Dogo Argentinos doing the same thing. They are bigger and more human aggressive than PitBulls. Of course, a headline about a Cane Corso doesn't get as many clicks from the uneducated, although they are on the rise.  

[NorthernRyland]

4 hours ago, thongplay said:

Quite agree. No sympathy for people who have these dogs and then get mauled. But the dogs also go after other people especially innocent children. Punishment for the owners should be at least the same as if they committed the attack themselves. I can't go for a walk here in the countryside because of the aggressive dogs.

 

So few Thai people know how to keep dogs responsibly. It's a scourge in the country with no solutions in sight.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, NorthernRyland said:

 

So few Thai people know how to keep dogs responsibly. It's a scourge in the country with no solutions in sight.

 

There are solutions....

 

IF owners were routinely held to account with no-nonsense prosecutions and actual jail time every time one of these genetic landmines mauls a child or kills a passer-by. How long, would it be before the appetite for owning such animals dried up overnight?

 

The bravado would vanish the moment the handcuffs clicked shut 

 

(a comment I just made in the 'other' thread - where Pitbull owners in the US were jailed after a deadly attack).

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[NorthernRyland]

42 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There are solutions....

 

IF owners were routinely held to account with no-nonsense prosecutions and actual jail time every time one of these genetic landmines mauls a child or kills a passer-by. How long, would it be before the appetite for owning such animals dried up overnight?

 

The bravado would vanish the moment the handcuffs clicked shut 

 

(a comment I just made in the 'other' thread - where Pitbull owners in the US were jailed after a deadly attack).

 

sure those would work if we weren't dealing with Thai people. It's not in the nature, never will happen if you ask me.

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

sure those would work if we weren't dealing with Thai people. It's not in the nature, never will happen if you ask me.

 

I quite agree...   In a country where the written law is already very good... the issue is lack of enforcement... 

 

... I don't see someone getting in trouble here for the actions of their aggressive dog mauling someone.

 

 

[kiwikeith]

13 hours ago, steven100 said:

i bet the dogs original name was fluffy  

 

 

thai's won't learn anything.

How many attacks does it take to put the dogs down?? How many deaths during songkran does it take to say the festival is an out of control mess that creates nothing but misery?? 

[kiwikeith]

21 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

sure those would work if we weren't dealing with Thai people. It's not in the nature, never will happen if you ask me.

Never 

[Bohemianfish]

Read these stories every day in the USA.

[rough diamond]

20 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

sure those would work if we weren't dealing with Thai people. It's not in the nature, never will happen if you ask me.

Nothing to do with Thai's or any other nationality!

Owners of any such dogs should be given a psychiatric test and their dogs destroyed .

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I quite agree...   In a country where the written law is already very good... the issue is lack of enforcement... 

 

... I don't see someone getting in trouble here for the actions of their aggressive dog mauling someone.

 

 

 

 

It happens.

 

Someone in my area just paid out 20,000 baht when their thai soi dog knocked someone off their bike in an attack resulting in the rider losing 2 teeth.

 

In this "pitbull" case the owner was attacked so who is going to pay who?

 

If the soi dog attack in my area had been a pitbull we'd have another thread like this. But it wasn't so nothing in the media. "Pitbull" attacks get more clicks because the uneducated are terrified of them. 

 

Reminds me of the fear of black people a few decades back. Education is the solution.

[richard_smith237]

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

It happens.

 

Someone in my area just paid out 20,000 baht when their thai soi dog knocked someone off their bike in an attack resulting in the rider losing 2 teeth.

 

Its good to know that owners can be held responsible here - but were they forced to pay by the Police after charges were filed, or did they volunteer compensation ?

i.e. what charges exist that could have been filed against the owner of the dogs here ?

 

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

In this "pitbull" case the owner was attacked so who is going to pay who?

 

If the soi dog attack in my area had been a pitbull we'd have another thread like this. But it wasn't so nothing in the media. "Pitbull" attacks get more clicks because the uneducated are terrified of them. 

 

Without doubt there is a 'contagion effect' with the reporting of Pitbull attacks...     

 

That said, when those with 'experience' of the breed also state they require dedicated ownership and training to ensure they are not aggressive, then its obvious they are quite different than a Cavapoo !!

 

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Reminds me of the fear of black people a few decades back. Education is the solution.

 

You're comparing true ignorance with something that is statistically proven (that Pitbull type breeds are the most dangerous type of dogs).

 

I don't think education of the general public breeds the aggression and power out of Pitbull type breeds and education of the general public does not alter the statistics.

 

 

[NorthernRyland]

30 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Nothing to do with Thai's or any other nationality!

 

Yes it does. The kind of enforcement needed is not in the spirit of the people. Not just dogs, this applies to the road safety issues too.

[NorthernRyland]

33 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Someone in my area just paid out 20,000 baht when their thai soi dog knocked someone off their bike in an attack resulting in the rider losing 2 teeth.

 

 

Thailand will find ways to compensate after damages occur but not prevention. Like with this latest attack, the dog will survive and be placed somewhere. If it attacks again the victim may get compensation but obviously this never should have happened.

 

Ditto for road safety. If you get in a crash because a speeding driver you may be compensated but never will the police patrol and prevent speeders in the first place.

 

This is deeply rooted in the culture and will not be changing in our lifetime if ever.

[spidermike007]

9 hours ago, watchcat said:

 

Correct but, in this case the owner is a lady do you really think she got the courage to put such abeast down I don't.

Perhaps the community should take it upon themselves to do a good deed for society at large. 

 

Take the beast out. 

[spidermike007]

7 hours ago, thongplay said:

Quite agree. No sympathy for people who have these dogs and then get mauled. But the dogs also go after other people especially innocent children. Punishment for the owners should be at least the same as if they committed the attack themselves. I can't go for a walk here in the countryside because of the aggressive dogs.

A 2 m long bamboo staff can be very effective at warding them off or punishing them if necessary, and though awkward, a can of insect spray can work wonders, all animals are petrified of the stuff. 

[cheerz]

Nothing wrong with dog, Same as poorly trained humans,  just needs a strong owner. This dog definitely not right pick for this lady or monk 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, cheerz said:

Nothing wrong with dog, Same as poorly trained humans,  just needs a strong owner. This dog definitely not right pick for this lady or monk 

 

There’s no such thing as a breed of humans selectively bred for increased aggression.

 

But with certain dogs - like pit bulls breeds - that’s exactly what’s happened. Unless they’re properly trained and closely managed, they have a natural tendency toward aggression, and when you combine that with their sheer power and bite strength, it becomes dangerous. That’s the core issue and 'thats whats wrong with the dog'... 

 

You even admitted it yourself with the line “just needs a strong owner.” Would you ever say that about a Golden Retriever or a Cavapoo? Of course not - because those breeds don’t pose the same risk. They weren’t bred for fighting or dominance - they were bred to be gentle, companionable, and safe around people.

 

[MalcolmB]

18 hours ago, Bundooman said:

How about you adopting it then?

It hasn’t been raised properly so no thanks.

Shame because it is a beautiful dog. 

[Chris49]

On 4/18/2025 at 7:56 AM, save the frogs said:

wipe out all pitbulls off the planet

useless creatures

 

 

A total unjust comment. A dogs behaviour is the result of training or lack thereof. Many dogs of this breed type are raised to be aggressive by irresponsible people. Shame on you for such an uneducated response. 

[MalcolmB]

15 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

That said, when those with 'experience' of the breed also state they require dedicated ownership and training to ensure they are not aggressive, then its obvious they are quite different than a Cavapoo !!

Thai breed dogs attack more people per day in Thailand than pitbulls.

Indeed you yourself are guilty of trying to blame an attack last month by a thai dog on pitbulls. 
A lot of people go around making stuff up all the time. 
It isn’t helpful.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Chris49 said:

A total unjust comment. A dogs behaviour is the result of training or lack thereof. Many dogs of this breed type are raised to be aggressive by irresponsible people. Shame on you for such an uneducated response. 

My arguments were:

1 - The govt cannot police every single pitbull owner to see how they're raising their dogs. So the only option is to wait until an attack occurs

 

2 - It may be part of some breed's DNAs to be aggressive, even with the best of training (although I could be wrong about this).

 

Sorry, I know people are attached to their dogs and there are some good dog owners out there, but there's a pitbull attack story once a month at least. 

 

[richard_smith237]

15 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Thai breed dogs attack more people per day in Thailand than pitbulls.

 

Thats because there are more of them...  untrained soi dogs etc...

They don't end in as many deaths and vicious mauling at Pitbulls breeds though.

 

15 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Indeed you yourself are guilty of trying to blame an attack last month by a thai dog on pitbulls. 

 

You removed the context in that thread to point score - in that thread I agreed with another poster who stated 'his initial thoughts were Pit-bull.. with the void of information (at the time) 'my' 'initial thought' was that that attack was carried out by a 'pit-bull' and that thought was influenced by the abundance of media and social media reporting on 'pit-bill' attacks... 

 

You later came up with information that stated the attack was a Thai-breed.

 

15 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

A lot of people go around making stuff up all the time. 
It isn’t helpful.

 

Agreed - you deliberately twist and take posts out of context to point score, as exampled above - moronic trolling.

[MalcolmB]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

They don't end in as many deaths and vicious mauling at Pitbulls breeds though.

I would be interested in seeing your statistics.

 

or

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

A lot of people go around making stuff up all the time. 
It isn’t helpful.

 

[richard_smith237]

26 minutes ago, Chris49 said:

A total unjust comment. A dogs behaviour is the result of training or lack thereof. Many dogs of this breed type are raised to be aggressive by irresponsible people. Shame on you for such an uneducated response. 

 

Why is it that pit bull-type breeds require specialised training and highly experienced handling just to ensure they don’t become violent - while breeds like Golden Retrievers need no such intervention to be safe?

 

The answer is simple: breeding.

 

Golden Retrievers were never bred with aggression as a base trait. Their lineage comes from a desire to create calm, obedient, people-friendly dogs. You don’t need to “correct” a Golden’s nature - because its nature is inherently safe.

 

Pit bulls, on the other hand, were historically bred for fighting - selected over generations for traits like gameness, tenacity, pain tolerance, and aggression.

That doesn’t mean every individual is dangerous, but it does mean the breed as a whole carries a baseline temperament that makes it higher-risk without proper control.

 

We don’t train Golden Retrievers not to attack. But with pit bulls, people argue they just need the “right owner” or “strong leadership.”  That alone speaks volumes about what’s been bred into them.