This is what happened to two that weren't acting responsibly in the US regarding their dog ownership responsibilities, something that many get away with here.................https://www.yahoo.com/news/fatal-dog-attack-mom-son-100147605.html

they got a 10 year sentence.

good.

 

Just now, save the frogs said:

they got a 10 year sentence.

good.

 

Accountability should happen everywhere, including here, where it's likely the dog would still be allowed to live and have the possibility of someone else hurt or killed. This should happen more, if the evidence of neglect or abuse is there. The dogs follow what they see, and a Pit has the ability to kill so has to be trained by a competent person, and not allowed to be in contact with others without the owner around, and even then. Although any dog can bite and many can kill, certain breeds have to be in responsible person's hands.

11 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Accountability should happen everywhere, including here, where it's likely the dog would still be allowed to live and have the possibility of someone else hurt or killed. This should happen more, if the evidence of neglect or abuse is there. The dogs follow what they see, and a Pit has the ability to kill so has to be trained by a competent person, and not allowed to be in contact with others without the owner around, and even then. Although any dog can bite and many can kill, certain breeds have to be in responsible person's hands.

 

I think as a society we need to examine what a dog is in the first place.

 

Do most of these breeds even belong in cities and should they even be kept as pets?

 

What is a German Shepherd? They were traditionally used to guard a flock of sheep on a freakin' farm. They're not meant to be pets in a city environment, as far as I'm concerned.

 

And obviously other breeds like pitbulls. 

 

I am OK holding dog owners responsible for controlling their animals.  In this article one of those dogs was already listed as a dangerous animal when it killed someone else's puppy.  It should have been put down then and the owner never allowed another pet.  There is a lot unsaid in the article but I'm betting there have been multiple complaints and problems with these two and the sentence well earned.

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

I think as a society we need to examine what a dog is in the first place.

 

Do most of these breeds even belong in cities and should they even be kept as pets?

 

What is a German Shepherd? They were traditionally used to guard a flock of sheep on a freakin' farm. They're not meant to be pets in a city environment, as far as I'm concerned.

 

And obviously other breeds like pitbulls. 

 

German Shepherds have proven their worth as good pets and service animals. Trained by a moron they can also kill because of their strength. Pits were trained a long time ago as bull biters, to hold a bull, herding cattle and sheep and guard dogs. This kept up and others had them fighting other dogs, which is illegal in most areas, but money talks, and the dogs are dangerous if not properly trained, and any can be a loose cannon.

3 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

I am OK holding dog owners responsible for controlling their animals.  In this article one of those dogs was already listed as a dangerous animal when it killed someone else's puppy.  It should have been put down then and the owner never allowed another pet.  There is a lot unsaid in the article but I'm betting there have been multiple complaints and problems with these two and the sentence well earned.

 

And this happens here many times and they actually "think what we can do about the dog". A dog that attacks people is dangerous, and one that kills should be immediately put down, and the owners made responsible if evidence shows their neglect led to the attack.

11 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

German Shepherds have proven their worth as good pets and service animals. Trained by a moron they can also kill because of their strength. Pits were trained a long time ago as bull biters, to hold a bull, herding cattle and sheep and guard dogs. This kept up and others had them fighting other dogs, which is illegal in most areas, but money talks, and the dogs are dangerous if not properly trained, and any can be a loose cannon.

 

But:

1 - Govts cannot police how people raise/treat their dogs. So therefore we need to wait until an attack occurs because we don't know what's going on behind closed doors. 

 

2 - Some of these dogs have it in their DNA to attack. So I wonder even if they have great owners, they could wake up one morning on the wrong side of the bed. 

 

But anyway, I don't think German Shepherds and pitbulls will be banned any time soon.

 

Long prison sentences is good at least. 

 

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

But:

1 - Govts cannot police how people raise/treat their dogs. So therefore we need to wait until an attack occurs because we don't know what's going on behind closed doors. 

 

2 - Some of these dogs have it in their DNA to attack. So I wonder even if they have great owners, they could wake up one morning on the wrong side of the bed. 

 

But anyway, I don't think German Shepherds and pitbulls will be banned any time soon.

 

Long prison sentences is good at least. 

 

 

As you rightly pointed out - violence isn't just a behavioural glitch in some breeds; it's woven into their very DNA, the result of generations of deliberate breeding for aggression.

 

IF owners were routinely held to account - really held to account. Picture swift, no-nonsense prosecutions and actual jail time every time one of these genetic landmines mauls a child or kills a passer-by. How long, do you suppose, before the appetite for owning such animals dried up overnight? The bravado would vanish the moment the handcuffs clicked shut.

 

 

I have a friend who adopts rescue Great Danes.  He is also extremely capable of training them and controlling them.  Also Danes do not have an aggressive personality so maybe not the same thing as pits.  Honestly if a pit is turned in with aggression I don't see why they don't put it down right away.  I'm OK giving a <deleted>zu a second chance.  Can't kill anyone.  But any dog that is large and aggressive should not be adopted out.

 

 

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

I think as a society we need to examine what a dog is in the first place.

 

Do most of these breeds even belong in cities and should they even be kept as pets?

 

What is a German Shepherd? They were traditionally used to guard a flock of sheep on a freakin' farm. They're not meant to be pets in a city environment, as far as I'm concerned.

 

And obviously other breeds like pitbulls. 

 

Germans are great dogs. Pitbulls are crazy.

10 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

But:

1 - Govts cannot police how people raise/treat their dogs. So therefore we need to wait until an attack occurs because we don't know what's going on behind closed doors. 

 

2 - Some of these dogs have it in their DNA to attack. So I wonder even if they have great owners, they could wake up one morning on the wrong side of the bed. 

 

But anyway, I don't think German Shepherds and pitbulls will be banned any time soon.

 

Long prison sentences is good at least. 

 

This from RSPCA.........ARE SOME DOGS NATURALLY AGGRESSIVE?
Although it might seem that some dogs are born to be aggressive, it is more
accurate to say that they are born with inherited tendencies that might, if not
controlled, make aggressive behaviour more likely.
As aggression is always a response, usually to a threat, there is no reason why a
dog cannot learn alternative responses. If these responses are controlled
throughout the dog’s life, starting with breeding from well balanced parents and
continuing with learning good social skills as a puppy, there is no reason why any
dog should learn to use aggression inappropriately...................Pits are banned in many countries, as people think they can just have a dog, untrained, because they "like" the breed. Some dogs are capable of a lot of damage, like the Pits and Shepherds, so it takes a competent trainer who loves dogs to keep them safe.The times I was bitten by a dog they were small to very small, as the dogs didn't know respect for people..You let a Pit think he's the boss, you have a loose cannon on your hands, like this one

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

As you rightly pointed out - violence isn't just a behavioural glitch in some breeds; it's woven into their very DNA, the result of generations of deliberate breeding for aggression.

 

IF owners were routinely held to account - really held to account. Picture swift, no-nonsense prosecutions and actual jail time every time one of these genetic landmines mauls a child or kills a passer-by. How long, do you suppose, before the appetite for owning such animals dried up overnight? The bravado would vanish the moment the handcuffs clicked shut.

 

 

True in ways but there will always be people who want dogs to be aggressive, who don't care about the laws, like those that host dog fights and use guard dogs. Right though to prosecute when there's evidence of irresponsibility or previous attacks.Just like human traffickers, who are higher now than ever before. lackadaisical prosecution and officials involved has it going on and on.

On 4/18/2025 at 10:47 PM, Harrisfan said:

Germans are great dogs. Pitbulls are crazy.

I’ve had both breeds they are both great as long as they are respected for what they are .strong powerful animals ,they are NOT human toddlers .trained and respected for what they are both breeds are wonderful companions and guards.people should always be held accountable and responsible for their animals obviously.

Any dog can snap at a moment's notice and turn into a monster intent on killing you. Fortunately, for a lot of breeds, that doesn't happen too often and most don't have the strength of a pit bull.

 

I once had a crazy cocker spaniel. Totally nuts. He was banned from almost every place I ever took him.  I first found that out when he was about one year old and I dropped him off at a groomer. By the time I got home, the phone was ringing.They told me to come and pick him up. I guess he attacked one of the groomers for no reason and they didn't want to work with him ever again. He was also banned from a boarding kennel one time for the same reason.  

 

I'm not sure why he was like that, but he was. If he ever say another dog, his initial instinct was to attack. One time he got loose and was even trying to attack a garbage truck.  

 

Anyway, I should have gotten rid of him, but I didn't.  I just kept him inside or in a well fenced enclosure.