Pope Francis has died at the age of 88, the Vatican has announced.

[sqwakvfr]

1 hour ago, worgeordie said:

J D Vance was meeting him the other day , enough to make

anyone feel ill ...

 

regards Worgeordie

Timing? He just died.  He overcome double pnuemonia. 

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Is your reading comprehension limited?

 

   OK, Why should Vance be questioned ?

People get questioned after they've been suspected of committing a crime .

Wasnt that what you meant ?

[FlorC]

5 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

NO he did not live in a palace.

He lived in a guest house ;

Pope Francis declined to use the papal apartments in the Apostolic Palace, instead living in a suite in the Domus Sanctae Marthae from his election in 2013 to his death today.

 

PS; The Domus Sanctae Marthae (Latin for Saint Martha's House; Italian: Casa Santa Marta) is a building adjacent to St. Peter's Basilica in Vatican City

I stand corrected then.

But he must have wandered around to see the art work .

[rough diamond]

3 minutes ago, FlorC said:

But he must have wandered around

Wandered around where?

And what difference does it make as you can walk around many world famous art galleries for free!

[NativeBob]

He did do much to be remembered. And issued very controversial statements incl. mass deportation led by DT & JD
And very low level of influence on world politicians. 

Just nice and sweet grandad next door

 

RIP Your Eminence

[MicroB]

42 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

J D Vance was meeting him the other day , enough to make

anyone feel ill ...

 

regards Worgeordie

 

Hopefully Vance, a Catholic convert (and we know how tiresome that mob can be, eg Anne Widdecombe) isn't sitting there wondering if he said anything he would regret. He even made money telling the world about his conversion. He even said that growing up, he was convinced the world would end in 2007 and the Pope was the Antichrist. He's been a Baptist, a Pentecostal, an Atheist, now a Roman Catholic, married a Hindoo. Probably needs a word with Ronnie O'Sullivan about things of the heart.

 

Caqtholic converts suddenly think they are experts on things theological.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ordo-amoris-jd-vance-b2694111.html

 

 

 

We know he had "an exchange of opinions" with a Cardinal before meeting the Pope, and one wonders if even a meeting with the Holy Father by the Official Spare was even originally on the cards, or pushed for by Vance. How on earth does someone who's only been a Roman Catholic for 5 years get an audience with the Pope. Catholics wait their entire lives for just a glimpse. Vance is not even a World Leader. Constitutionally, he's actually a nobody.

 

We know Vance and Cardinal Pietro Parolin talked about Immigration and International Conflict.

 

Quote

There was an exchange of opinions on the international situation, especially regarding countries affected by war, political tensions and difficult humanitarian situations, with particular attention to migrants, refugees, and prisoners

 

 

Which makes me think it was the Vatican who set the agenda. Why would Vance want to talk about the plight of prisoners. It's obvious the Vatican picked him up on controversial issues relating to deportations to El Savadorian concentration camps among other things. 

 

The original plan was for a formal meeting with the Pope, but the Pope opted to skip that meeting, sending underlings instead, and reducing the meeting to a meet and greet.

 

 

Evidently Vance's professed Prayers for the Pope didn't work. His actual meeting itself seemed to have all the depth of someone meeting Mickey Mouse in Orlando. A rather inappropriate pat on the arm, and patently not enough grovelling. One wonders if he will ever take that Vatican tie off. He got a gift set.

 

 

True Catholics right now would be feeling immense sadness. Some Protestants will probably be thinking less charitably of the Pope (not this particular Pope, but any Pope). Some, particularly Americans, will now get obsessed about conspiracy theories, Illuminati, and all that other nonsense. Do Catholic converts divorce themselves from such thoughts?

 

If Vance is a real Catholic, this letter should have caused him genuine angst.

 

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2025/02/11/0127/00261.html

[FlorC]

5 minutes ago, rough diamond said:

Wandered around where?

And what difference does it make as you can walk around many world famous art galleries for free!

Dude , he lived there . In the palace , guesthouse or outhouse , who cares.

He had the oportunity to go see the art whenever he wanted without leaving the vatican.

Cool no ?

So why these stupid questions ?

[jas007]

5 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Good, so you got it on the 2nd try. I don't believe in coincidences, and he was one of the last to see the Pope, and we know there was bad blood between him and Trump/Vance.

Supposedly, the JD Vance "meeting" with the Pope was just a photo op.  Before that, the Pope sent someone else to lecture Vance on compassion.

 

Anyway, and for what it's worth, the Jesuits have a long history of meddling in politics.  And for a while, they were more or less banned from most of Europe for that reason.  

 

For anyone who's interested, there's a halfway decent movie about the Jesuits in New France when they were first building what later became Quebec.  1634.  The movie is called Black Robe, and you can watch it all for free on YouTube. If nothing else, it has some beautiful scenery. 

 

 

[rough diamond]

13 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Dude , he lived there . In the palace , guesthouse or outhouse , who cares.

He had the oportunity to go see the art whenever he wanted without leaving the vatican.

Cool no ?

So why these stupid questions ?

Why make your stupid pointless posts.  Let him R.I.P.

[balo]

It was almost perfect timing, imagine if he died on Easter Sunday
 

[FlorC]

1 minute ago, rough diamond said:

Why your stupid pointless posts.  Let him R.I.P.

So you didn't get my post . No worries , I know there is a lot you don't get.

[MicroB]

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

 

Maybe he didn't say thank you

 

 

Hmm, maybe one should not read too much into the fact that the Pope doesn't wear ties, and he gave Vance a souvenir tie from the Vatican gift shop. Vance sat there mansplaning while he met the Pope, probably the only time in his lifetime that he would have that opportunity.

 

 

Crass wearing of the USA lapel badge. Cheap yellow VC bro tie. He's supposed to be meeting the Pope as James Vance, a devout member of his flock, not JD Vance, Vice President of a political construct.

[Harrisfan]

11 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Hopefully Vance, a Catholic convert (and we know how tiresome that mob can be, eg Anne Widdecombe) isn't sitting there wondering if he said anything he would regret. He even made money telling the world about his conversion. He even said that growing up, he was convinced the world would end in 2007 and the Pope was the Antichrist. He's been a Baptist, a Pentecostal, an Atheist, now a Roman Catholic, married a Hindoo. Probably needs a word with Ronnie O'Sullivan about things of the heart.

 

Caqtholic converts suddenly think they are experts on things theological.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ordo-amoris-jd-vance-b2694111.html

 

 

 

We know he had "an exchange of opinions" with a Cardinal before meeting the Pope, and one wonders if even a meeting with the Holy Father by the Official Spare was even originally on the cards, or pushed for by Vance. How on earth does someone who's only been a Roman Catholic for 5 years get an audience with the Pope. Catholics wait their entire lives for just a glimpse. Vance is not even a World Leader. Constitutionally, he's actually a nobody.

 

We know Vance and Cardinal Pietro Parolin talked about Immigration and International Conflict.

 

 

 

Which makes me think it was the Vatican who set the agenda. Why would Vance want to talk about the plight of prisoners. It's obvious the Vatican picked him up on controversial issues relating to deportations to El Savadorian concentration camps among other things. 

 

The original plan was for a formal meeting with the Pope, but the Pope opted to skip that meeting, sending underlings instead, and reducing the meeting to a meet and greet.

 

 

Evidently Vance's professed Prayers for the Pope didn't work. His actual meeting itself seemed to have all the depth of someone meeting Mickey Mouse in Orlando. A rather inappropriate pat on the arm, and patently not enough grovelling. One wonders if he will ever take that Vatican tie off. He got a gift set.

 

 

True Catholics right now would be feeling immense sadness. Some Protestants will probably be thinking less charitably of the Pope (not this particular Pope, but any Pope). Some, particularly Americans, will now get obsessed about conspiracy theories, Illuminati, and all that other nonsense. Do Catholic converts divorce themselves from such thoughts?

 

If Vance is a real Catholic, this letter should have caused him genuine angst.

 

https://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2025/02/11/0127/00261.html

Vance was very polite. You lefties need to learn some manners.

[steven100]

God Bless Pope Francis,    may he forever rest in eternal peace Amen   ✝️ 

 

 

[oxo1947]

 

Why doesn't the man in the cloud  just keep one person there---we understand he doesn't want to visit us, unless its on a piece of Toast ,

or someones curtains-----but if he let the Pope live until he was about 3--400 years old we could all say....Wow you see you doubters ,

and the donation plates would be overflowing --and I know thats important to God

 

But then I suppose the other 3,126 religions would have to make a similar  stand...oh its so confusing..........

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, sqwakvfr said:

But the meeting looked dignified.  Mayb the Pope told Vance how he felt.  A man of lifelong service and dignity has died. 

 

People saying this shouldn't be looked at politically are playing the fake outrage game.

Vance and the Pope had a very public conflict previously. 

That there was political tension in the meeting is an undeniable FACT. Indeed as the article below explains, the exchange between the white house and the Pope over Vance's revisionist right wing reading of Catholic dogma was nearly unprecedented in modern history.

So again enough with this poppycock that's it's not OK to talk politics now. Also look at the Pope's last speech to the public which featured many positions that directly conflict with the Trump regime.

 

JD Vance vs. the Vatican: Inside Pope Francis' fight for Catholic identity | National Catholic Reporter

www.ncronline.org/vatican/view-vatican/jd-vance-vs-vatican-inside-pope-francis-fight-catholic-identity

[JAG]

May perpetual light shine upon his soul.

[fredwiggy]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Well Catholics believe in a glorious afterlife for believers. Good luck with that.

And Atheists believe there is nothing. Good luck with that.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

And Atheists believe there is nothing. Good luck with that.

Not sure nothing is so bad. Is being asleep such a horror? 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Not sure nothing is so bad. Is being asleep such a horror? 

Yes, if you don't wake up

[Social Media]

@Jingthing please show a little respect. It is quite clear you are not here to do anything other than hijack the topic into your political views. There are plenty of other topics for that. This is not it.

 

If members want their posts to remon then please discuss the topic not US politicians

 

Pope Francis has died at the age of 88, the Vatican has announced.

[Will B Good]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Not sure nothing is so bad. Is being asleep such a horror? 

 

Got to be better than purgatory, limbo and then hell.......oh wait......haven't the church summarily dismissed the first two? Not sure who gave them the go ahead on that.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, if you don't wake up

For other people, perhaps. But if it's you, then it's just more sleep. Eternal sleep. 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

For other people, perhaps. But if it's you, then it's just more sleep. Eternal sleep. 

I'd rather be in a heaven with no problems, all you can eat, perfect climate, fishing, all animals around in harmony and friends and family than just sleeping. That's my vision.

[Will B Good]

1.4 billion Catholics praying for him to return to good health and not one single prayer answered?

 

Seems to beg the question just how powerful is the power of prayer?

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I'd rather be in a heaven with no problems, all you can eat, perfect climate, fishing, all animals around in harmony and friends and family than just sleeping. That's my vision.

You're welcome to your fantasy. First time I've heard of heaven being an all you can buffet though.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

1.4 billion Catholics praying for him to return to good health and not one single prayer answered?

 

Seems to beg the question just how powerful is the power of prayer?

I think the standard clergy response is that God works in mysterious ways.

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're welcome to your fantasy. First time I've heard of heaven being an all you can buffet though.

It isn't a fantasy. Many have died and came back, including children, and told of a beautiful place. Better to believe in that than the whole universe and everything in it all came from nothing. Some will try so hard to convince believers that there isn't a God. Why? If you don't believe, you just keep that in your mind. You aren't going to change the mind of a believer. People lose faith on their own, from a traumatic experience or the loss of a loved one to some stupid disease a good God wouldn't create. Fact remains, no one lives past 120 years, and that's still nothing compared to forever, so no matter what happens to anyone here, when you die and you believe, all the crapola is gone forever. If God can create everything from his mind, he can make it even better. the earth has a lot of crappy things for a reason. It isn't supposed to last, and if you die at 2 or 102, you're still dead, and forever is just that.

[fredwiggy]

12 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

1.4 billion Catholics praying for him to return to good health and not one single prayer answered?

 

Seems to beg the question just how powerful is the power of prayer?

Maybe some prayers have been answered and some did get better. For many, maybe it wasn't their deal to return to good health and good health doesn't last forever anyway. Miracles happen all the time, but how are we to know what his plans are?

[Jingthing]

17 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It isn't a fantasy. Many have died and came back, including children, and told of a beautiful place. Better to believe in that than the whole universe and everything in it all came from nothing. Some will try so hard to convince believers that there isn't a God. Why? If you don't believe, you just keep that in your mind. You aren't going to change the mind of a believer. People lose faith on their own, from a traumatic experience or the loss of a loved one to some stupid disease a good God wouldn't create. Fact remains, no one lives past 120 years, and that's still nothing compared to forever, so no matter what happens to anyone here, when you die and you believe, all the crapola is gone forever. If God can create everything from his mind, he can make it even better. the earth has a lot of crappy things for a reason. It isn't supposed to last, and if you die at 2 or 102, you're still dead, and forever is just that.

Bizarre post with mega projection.

Nobody is trying hard or even easy to not believe what you believe. Obviously, it isn't logical though.