Trump Blames Zelensky’s Stance for Stalling Ukraine Peace Talks

[ChicagoExpat]

31 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Zelenski and his government made and passed that law this year. Duh!! Not Fox propaganda. 

https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/02/ukraine-parliament-affirms-no-elections-during-wartime-under-martial-law/

Nope.  Read it again.  Ukraine’s constitution prohibits the holding of elections during martial law, which was extended in July 2023, one year after Russia’s full-scale invasion.

[ChicagoExpat]

27 minutes ago, thesetat said:

As i see it... both are dictators in your sense of the word.. 

If that is true, why do you support the one who is far and away the worst of the two?

[Cameroni]

If Ukraine doesn't agree peace terms favourable to Russia, then Russia will just crush and defeat Ukraine. Then Zelensky will be ousted and  spend his last years in a jail cell before he succumbs to a mystery illness, like Nawalny. Does that sound sensible? Surely Zelensky is being an idiot to the max here.

[cjinchiangrai]

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

If Ukraine doesn't agree peace terms favourable to Russia, then Russia will just crush and defeat Ukraine. Then Zelensky will be ousted and  spend his last years in a jail cell before he succumbs to a mystery illness, like Nawalny. Does that sound sensible? Surely Zelensky is being an idiot to the max here.

And Trump will take Greenland while Putin takes Poland. We have seen this deal before.

[Harrisfan]

3 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And Trump will take Greenland while Putin takes Poland. We have seen this deal before.

Rubbish leftism

[ChicagoExpat]

35 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

If Ukraine doesn't agree peace terms favourable to Russia, then Russia will just crush and defeat Ukraine. Then Zelensky will be ousted and  spend his last years in a jail cell before he succumbs to a mystery illness, like Nawalny. Does that sound sensible? Surely Zelensky is being an idiot to the max here.

Why after 3+ years of fruitless effort is Russia suddenly going to "crush and defeat" Ukraine?  And why, after the incredible sacrifices of his people in the face of a brutal dictator, would he throw it all away because Trump and Vance demand he bows to Russia?

[Cameroni]

4 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Why after 3+ years of fruitless effort is Russia suddenly going to "crush and defeat" Ukraine?  And why, after the incredible sacrifices of his people in the face of a brutal dictator, would he throw it all away because Trump and Vance demand he bows to Russia?

 

Ummmm, because the US will pull the plug and not deliver the military hardware that enabled them to resist thus  far maybe?

[ChicagoExpat]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Ummmm, because the US will pull the plug and not deliver the military hardware that enabled them to resist thus  far maybe?

Do you really think that alone will cause a sudden and total collapse?  The great majority of Ukrainian hardware is most definitely not American.  And the far more important question -- is this a desirable outcome for the American people?

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Ummmm, because the US will pull the plug and not deliver the military hardware that enabled them to resist thus  far maybe?

Or maybe Trump is a traitor beholden to Putin for keeping his business afloat through money laundering real estate deals. 

[dinsdale]

28 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And Trump will take Greenland while Putin takes Poland. We have seen this deal before.

Putin will not go expansionist and IMHO would be happy to stop it all now and take most of what he's captured. Kursk Oblast is no longer a bargaining chip for Zelensky. It's basically gone. As for Greenland, Trump wants this because it's strategic in the Arctic circle. He has China on his mind here more than Russia again IMO. It will be up to the Greenlander's. Remember Greenland is an autonomous region of Denmark as it is. It would remain autonomous if they decide to go with the US. 

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Putin will not go expansionist and IMHO would be happy to stop it all now and take most of what he's captured. Kursk Oblast is no longer a bargaining chip for Zelensky. It's basically gone. As for Greenland, Trump wants this because it's strategic in the Arctic circle. He has China on his mind here more than Russia again IMO. It will be up to the Greenlander's. Remember Greenland is an autonomous region of Denmark as it is. It would remain autonomous if they decide to go with the US. 

I do not trust Putin or Trump. Putin is an evil master criminal and Trump is a greedy self serving toady. 

[Cameroni]

4 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Do you really think that alone will cause a sudden and total collapse?  The great majority of Ukrainian hardware is most definitely not American.  And the far more important question -- is this a desirable outcome for the American people?

 

No, judging by the fact that Pokrovsk has STILL not fallen, the Ukrainians are skillful fighters, so the collapse will not be sudden, but rather a prolonged bleeding out of Ukraine. Don't forget Ukraine's economy is miniscule compared to even Russia. Ulitimately economies decide wars.

 

Ukraine has no chance. And yes, their defeat is highly desirable for the American people as it will remove the risk of the US being dragged into a nuclear war with Russia, which is bad for Americans and bad for the whole world.

 

The sooner the Ukraine is defeated the better it is for the whole world.

[Cameroni]

6 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Or maybe Trump is a traitor beholden to Putin for keeping his business afloat through money laundering real estate deals. 

 

I can't wait to see the evidence for this cutting edge conspiracy theory.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, thesetat said:

The negotiations are over. Zelenski had a chance to ally with US by signing a deal with them. They instead turned the meeting into a farce and getting thrown out of the WH. 

Up to now those negotiations have not ceded anything. So why, would the US protect the Ukraine if there is no vested interest or benefit to the US? 

Yet when the USA needed help other countries in the world stepped up to assist without hesitation, putting their own men and women, regardless of race colour or creed on the line to help.

 

They were. and are, called allies.

 

The fat, useless, orange blob is throwing all that away, stabbing allies in the back, tearing up treaties and treating old allies as enemies, and old enemies as "new" friends.

 

The sad thing about all this, is that people like you are helping him and NOT helping the people of the USA who oppose him and all that he stands for. People like you have elected a convicted criminal, a sex offender and a serial liar into becoming POTUS, and yet you show no shame or remorse.

[BLMFem]

5 hours ago, thesetat said:

Zelenski should not even be their leader anymore. He used the war as an excuse to cancel elections so he could maintain power in his country. As soon as the war is ended, his position in government will end also. 

Another useful one.

[cjinchiangrai]

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I can't wait to see the evidence for this cutting edge conspiracy theory.

Just ask Eric, he knows all about it.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

On my first day in office the war will end. Maybe even sooner. Trust me. Believe me. I am great. I will get Putin to listen to me. I am a genius. Just watch. 

Same old, same old lies and BS from Trump.

 

Well the world did watch, and most of the world didn't believe that BS either.

[candide]

5 hours ago, thesetat said:

Zelenski should not even be their leader anymore. He used the war as an excuse to cancel elections so he could maintain power in his country. As soon as the war is ended, his position in government will end also. 

Russian propaganda B.S.! 🙂

[billd766]

3 hours ago, ChicagoExpat said:

A summary of what has happened so far:

 

Trump/Vance demand that Zelenskiy and Putin come to the negotiating table.

 

Zelenskiy agrees.  Putin refuses.

 

Trump/Vance:  UkRaINe Is AT FauLt!

 

How any can conclude that Trump/Vance are not in Putin's pocket, it's unfathomable.

Because Trump/Vance/MAGA supporters will always deny/deflect and ridicule anything that Trump does not like or approve of.

 

There are none so blind, as those who refuse see.

[BLMFem]

Not surprising at all that Trump does Putin's bidding. He is the ultimate asset for Russia and the worst traitor in US history.

Nothing but a court martial will suffice.

[candide]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Demanding repayment? Yep through rare earth deals. You have failed to mention that everything the EU has done has not been given as with the US but as a loan. Never given enough support? This is what I said in my 1^st post on this thread. As for "long cutoffs" you can only be referencing one thing here when Trump cut off some support and this was to force Zelensky into negotiations about the rare earth deal. This was not "long" and had little to no actual affect on the overall war of attrition.

Are you really believing what Trump says? It's a lie (as usual)! 🤣

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o

 

One can also add that a significant part of what European countries spent actually subsidized the U.S. as it was used to  buy American arms.

[Harrisfan]

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Better that than Russian Troll-bots.

You must be Ukrainian Troll bot

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, candide said:

Are you really believing what Trump says? It's a lie!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o

 

One can also add that a significant part of what European countries spent actually subsidized the U.S. as it was used to  buy American arms.

Shows US grant the largest.

[Harrisfan]

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Because Trump/Vance/MAGA supporters will always deny/deflect and ridicule anything that Trump does not like or approve of.

 

There are none so blind, as those who refuse see.

Name calling

[cjinchiangrai]

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Name calling

OK Vlad

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

OK Vlad

Ok Zelensky

[thesetat]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Nope.  Read it again.  Ukraine’s constitution prohibits the holding of elections during martial law, which was extended in July 2023, one year after Russia’s full-scale invasion.

That is for martial law... Not for war... 

[StandardIssue]

This sophomore Trump has no idea how to lead the most powerful nation on Earth in the global community. He's about as far away from a diplomat as you can get. An OK businessman, perhaps, but with failed casino's in his wake I think not. An experienced diplomat in the world stage? No way.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Nope.  Read it again.  Ukraine’s constitution prohibits the holding of elections during martial law, which was extended in July 2023, one year after Russia’s full-scale invasion.

What he conveniently omitted to mention was that was actually passed earlier and extended in July 2923.

 

The full text of the link is here, and I have emboldened what I think are the relevant parts

 

On Sunday, Zelenskyy stated that he would step down if it would secure peace for Ukraine, adding that he would also resign if it guaranteed the country’s NATO membership. However, the Ukrainian parliament emphasized on Tuesday that Zelenskyy was elected in a legitimate vote and remains the country’s lawful president. The body further confirmed that national elections will not be held until martial law is lifted following the establishment of a “comprehensive, fair, and sustainable peace.”

 

Ukraine’s constitution prohibits the holding of elections during martial law, which was extended in July 2023, one year after Russia’s full-scale invasion. The resolution underlines that neither the Ukrainian people nor the Verkhovna Rada question Zelenskii’s legitimacy and states that, under the country’s constitution, he must remain in office until a new president is elected.

 

A clever move which only works, if people accept his word and don't bother to open the link and read the full text.

[billd766]

9 minutes ago, thesetat said:

That is for martial law... Not for war... 

So now you have become the ultimate fount of knowledge all about the constitution of the Ukraine?