Why Zelensky Won’t Bargain Away Crimea — No Matter the Pressure

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

A simple lesson in logic for you:

 

All fascists are patriots

Not all patriots are fascists

Trump: Fascist. Trump supporters: Fascists. Not possible to remember how many times those with the syndrome have posted this. How about a reply about the Azov Brigade. Ukrainian far right nutters armed by Zelensky.

[Harrisfan]

Antifa

BLM

 

Fascists

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, Rob Browder said:

So, pretending Russia entering the conflict, as a major Ukraine offensive was beginning, was "only because of Biden," is silly. 

Please provide non RT/Russian propaganda links for each of your outrageous statements.

[Hellfire]

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Trump: Fascist. Trump supporters: Fascists. Not possible to remember how many times those with the syndrome have posted this. How about a reply about the Azov Brigade. Ukrainian far right nutters armed by Zelensky.

Enough with that tired fascist-Azov fairy tale. Even Putin’s propaganda machine has moved on from that lie — they’ve practically forgotten it themselves. Maybe it’s time you go dig up some fresh nonsense from Russia Today.

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

Enough with that tired fascist-Azov fairy tale. Even Putin’s propaganda machine has moved on from that lie — they’ve practically forgotten it themselves. Maybe it’s time you go dig up some fresh nonsense from Russia Today.

 

Not a lie at all, many of Ukraine's military are ultra-nationalist, rightwing neo-fascists. 

[Hellfire]

 Ukraine is the least neo-Nazi country in Europe — I say that from personal experience. It just goes to show how brazen and shameless Putin’s propaganda really is. Every time I see yet another Western voice parroting that grotesque lie — possibly the worst of all the horrors spewed by Kremlin propaganda — I feel a wave of shame wash over me.

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

Enough with that tired fascist-Azov fairy tale. Even Putin’s propaganda machine has moved on from that lie — they’ve practically forgotten it themselves. Maybe it’s time you go dig up some fresh nonsense from Russia Today.

You were the one calling people fascists. A "lie" you say. So you deny the existence of the Azov brigade or are you saying their not neo-nazi and it's all Putin's propaganda? Be interested to see your non-deflection response. Reality is they've been fighting against Russia since 2014 but it was the defence of Mariupol that highlighted them. No fairy tale it's reality which is something that seems to have passed you buy. 

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

 Ukraine is the least neo-Nazi country in Europe — I say that from personal experience. It just goes to show how brazen and shameless Putin’s propaganda really is. Every time I see yet another Western voice parroting that grotesque lie — possibly the worst of all the horrors spewed by Kremlin propaganda — I feel a wave of shame wash over me.

Sadly all countries (western) have neo-Nazis now. Thankfully they are a tiny minority. I'm sure it's the same in Ukraine.

[Hellfire]

5 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

You were the one calling people fascists. A "lie" you say. So you deny the existence of the Azov brigade or are you saying their not neo-nazi and it's all Putin's propaganda? Be interested to see your non-deflection response. Reality is they've been fighting against Russia since 2014 but it was the defence of Mariupol that highlighted them. No fairy tale it's reality which is something that seems to have passed you buy. 

They were NOT fighting “against Russia" — they were fighting against those who invaded their land, killed their people, and raped their women. They were fighting against real fascists — and that’s exactly what Putin and his regime are.

 

[frank83628]

52 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

Fascists are always patriots. 

You have zero credibility with your profile,  go to the front line  and show your support.

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

They were NOT fighting “against Russia" — they were fighting against those who invaded their land, killed their people, and raped their women. They were fighting against real fascists — and that’s exactly what Putin and his regime are.

 

It appears you don't know the actual meaning of fascist. Fairly sure Putin isn't on the far right of political ideology.

[Hellfire]

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It appears you don't know the actual meaning of fascist. Fairly sure Putin isn't on the far right of political ideology.

Umberto Eco, in his 1995 essay "Ur-Fascism" (also known as "Eternal Fascism"), outlined 14 features or signs that define what he called "Ur-Fascism," or the foundational elements of fascism that can reappear in different forms over time. Here's a summarized version of those signs:

1. The cult of tradition – A belief in a primordial truth, revealed once and for all, often combining different religious or philosophical traditions.

2. The rejection of modernism – A distrust of Enlightenment rationalism, often accompanied by a rejection of progress and reason.

3. The cult of action for action’s sake – Believing action is inherently good and should be pursued without reflection.

4. Disagreement is treason – Critical thinking is viewed with suspicion; dissent is equated with betrayal.

5. Fear of difference – Racism or xenophobia; fear of outsiders and minorities.

6. Appeal to a frustrated middle class – Fascism often exploits the fears and insecurities of a struggling or declining middle class.

7. Obsession with a plot – Belief in conspiracies, often involving an "enemy" or scapegoat plotting against the nation.

8. The enemy is both strong and weak – The enemy is portrayed as overwhelmingly powerful, yet cowardly and weak at the same time.

9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy – Life is permanent warfare; peacefulness is seen as weakness.

10. Contempt for the weak – Elitism and disdain for the vulnerable or marginalized.

11. Everybody is educated to become a hero – Glorification of death, martyrdom, and militarism.

12. Machismo and weaponry – Exaggerated masculinity, violence, and control over women.

13. Selective populism – The “people” are represented by a leader who interprets their will, bypassing institutions and pluralism.

14. Newspeak – Use of impoverished, repetitive language to limit critical thinking and expression.

 

             All 14 are the features of Putin's Russia!

[rough diamond]

42 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Not a lie at all, many of Ukraine's military are ultra-nationalist, rightwing neo-fascists. 

You know this by having discussions with them do you?

Please give examples!

[KhunLA]

Scratch any peace agreement now as Z is delusional. 

 

Trump tried ... Europe, you're on your own.   Careful what you wished, not you have.

 

Hopefully Trump will pull all US military out of Europe, and leave NATO.

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

Umberto Eco, in his 1995 essay "Ur-Fascism" (also known as "Eternal Fascism"), outlined 14 features or signs that define what he called "Ur-Fascism," or the foundational elements of fascism that can reappear in different forms over time. Here's a summarized version of those signs:

1. The cult of tradition – A belief in a primordial truth, revealed once and for all, often combining different religious or philosophical traditions.

2. The rejection of modernism – A distrust of Enlightenment rationalism, often accompanied by a rejection of progress and reason.

3. The cult of action for action’s sake – Believing action is inherently good and should be pursued without reflection.

4. Disagreement is treason – Critical thinking is viewed with suspicion; dissent is equated with betrayal.

5. Fear of difference – Racism or xenophobia; fear of outsiders and minorities.

6. Appeal to a frustrated middle class – Fascism often exploits the fears and insecurities of a struggling or declining middle class.

7. Obsession with a plot – Belief in conspiracies, often involving an "enemy" or scapegoat plotting against the nation.

8. The enemy is both strong and weak – The enemy is portrayed as overwhelmingly powerful, yet cowardly and weak at the same time.

9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy – Life is permanent warfare; peacefulness is seen as weakness.

10. Contempt for the weak – Elitism and disdain for the vulnerable or marginalized.

11. Everybody is educated to become a hero – Glorification of death, martyrdom, and militarism.

12. Machismo and weaponry – Exaggerated masculinity, violence, and control over women.

13. Selective populism – The “people” are represented by a leader who interprets their will, bypassing institutions and pluralism.

14. Newspeak – Use of impoverished, repetitive language to limit critical thinking and expression.

 

             All 14 are the features of Putin's Russia!

Sorry but a cherry pick from a Google search just doesn't cut the mustard. It's true though that the far right and the far left become closer the more staunch they become. Having said this to call a dictator of a communist state fascist is a bit like a mixed metaphor.

[safarimike11]

17 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is an internationally accepted concept since World War II that any land amassed over the course of a war does not legally belong to the victor. The only true exception of this might be Israel which illegally seized a significant amount of land.

 

Certainly the same applies to Russia and the pressure that  Trump is putting on Zelensky to give up a very substantial portion of his nation is nauseating, pathetic, sickening, shameful and utterly desperate. In addition to showing a disgusting degree of butt kissing toward King Vlad. 

The only 2 mistakes Israel made was handing over the Sinai to Egypt in 1982 and handing over Gaza in 2005; re the second mistake, they are in the process of rectifying that one.

[dinsdale]

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Scratch any peace agreement now as Z is delusional. 

 

Trump tried ... Europe, you're on your own.   Careful what you wished, not you have.

 

Hopefully Trump will pull all US military out of Europe, and leave NATO.

NATO is indeed on the brink of non-existence, 

[JensenZ]

17 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is an internationally accepted concept since World War II that any land amassed over the course of a war does not legally belong to the victor. The only true exception of this might be Israel which illegally seized a significant amount of land.

 

Certainly the same applies to Russia and the pressure that  Trump is putting on Zelensky to give up a very substantial portion of his nation is nauseating, pathetic, sickening, shameful and utterly desperate. In addition to showing a disgusting degree of butt kissing toward King Vlad. 

Internationally accepted concepts are irrelevant unless there is someone to police them. There is not. China gave the International Court of Justice the middle finger and continues to build islands and military bases in the South China Sea.

 

Your fake nausea and disgust are pathetic. You don't live in the real world. There is no other solution to stop the bloodshed. Ukraine must give up on Crimea and other lost territories.

[beautifulthailand99]

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Give USA back to the Indians then

The genocided them same in Australia and New Zealand that way the rump doesn't come back to bite you. If I was Trump I would conspire with Milei of Argentina to get the Malvinas back.

[beautifulthailand99]

1 hour ago, Hellfire said:

Umberto Eco, in his 1995 essay "Ur-Fascism" (also known as "Eternal Fascism"), outlined 14 features or signs that define what he called "Ur-Fascism," or the foundational elements of fascism that can reappear in different forms over time. Here's a summarized version of those signs:

1. The cult of tradition – A belief in a primordial truth, revealed once and for all, often combining different religious or philosophical traditions.

2. The rejection of modernism – A distrust of Enlightenment rationalism, often accompanied by a rejection of progress and reason.

3. The cult of action for action’s sake – Believing action is inherently good and should be pursued without reflection.

4. Disagreement is treason – Critical thinking is viewed with suspicion; dissent is equated with betrayal.

5. Fear of difference – Racism or xenophobia; fear of outsiders and minorities.

6. Appeal to a frustrated middle class – Fascism often exploits the fears and insecurities of a struggling or declining middle class.

7. Obsession with a plot – Belief in conspiracies, often involving an "enemy" or scapegoat plotting against the nation.

8. The enemy is both strong and weak – The enemy is portrayed as overwhelmingly powerful, yet cowardly and weak at the same time.

9. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy – Life is permanent warfare; peacefulness is seen as weakness.

10. Contempt for the weak – Elitism and disdain for the vulnerable or marginalized.

11. Everybody is educated to become a hero – Glorification of death, martyrdom, and militarism.

12. Machismo and weaponry – Exaggerated masculinity, violence, and control over women.

13. Selective populism – The “people” are represented by a leader who interprets their will, bypassing institutions and pluralism.

14. Newspeak – Use of impoverished, repetitive language to limit critical thinking and expression.

 

             All 14 are the features of Putin's Russia!

15. Only 2 genders !

[safarimike11]

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The genocided them same in Australia and New Zealand that way the rump doesn't come back to bite you. If I was Trump I would conspire with Milei of Argentina to get the Malvinas back.

The Falkland Islands have never belonged to Argentina.

[rabang]

Putin's Russia to me is the true evil empire, more than the Soviet Union of Reagan era. They leave nothing in their trail except death, poverty, misery and despair, all for strengthening the position of Tsar Vladimir.

[rabang]

1 hour ago, JensenZ said:

Internationally accepted concepts are irrelevant unless there is someone to police them. There is not. China gave the International Court of Justice the middle finger and continues to build islands and military bases in the South China Sea.

 

Your fake nausea and disgust are pathetic. You don't live in the real world. There is no other solution to stop the bloodshed. Ukraine must give up on Crimea and other lost territories.

If they do that Russian appetite will only grow.

[Cameroni]

3 hours ago, Hellfire said:

 Ukraine is the least neo-Nazi country in Europe — I say that from personal experience. It just goes to show how brazen and shameless Putin’s propaganda really is. Every time I see yet another Western voice parroting that grotesque lie — possibly the worst of all the horrors spewed by Kremlin propaganda — I feel a wave of shame wash over me.

 

Lies.