ALL VACCINES WILL KILL YOU - The evidence is overwhelming

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, johng said:

Of course you don't probably because you only comsume legacy media and you think you are informed ?

 

But don't know about the plan to use mosquitoes to deliver vaccines.

Do some research..you know that thing that turns you into a raving antivax  MAGA loon 🤣

 

 

There has never been a serious plan to unleash mosquitoes as flying syringes for mass vaccination; only limited proof-of-concept trials, nothing more.
While the idea moved forwards in tiny studies, it immediately collapsed under the weight of glaring problems like uncontrollable dosing, ethical nightmares, and predictable public outrage.

 

This is the inevitable tragedy of debating with the ill-informed: hand them a voice, and you eagerly spew half-truths, blissfully unaware of the gaping, fundamental flaws that make their comments little more than polished ignorance.

[johng]

18 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

And in any case, no study has been done since 2002, so it's a good idea to do a new one.

Ahh but the science is written in stone it shouldn't ever be

questioned what are you some sort of heretic ?  😋

 

(For those who might not realise this is my attempt at humour no need to go running to mummy)

 

Yes a new study taking account of the “mistakes“ in the previous retracted one would be great..I think RFKjr and his team are on the case.

[johng]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

While the idea moved forwards in tiny studies, it immediately collapsed under the weight of glaring problems like uncontrollable dosing, ethical nightmares, and predictable public outrage.

So not a conspiracy theory as accused and no its not ok to vaccinate without informed consent never has been never will be

The very fact it was even considerd is pretty alarming don't you think?

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, johng said:

So not a conspiracy theory as accused and no its not ok to vaccinate without informed consent never has been never will be

The very fact it was even considerd is pretty alarming don't you think?

 

You've dressed this up by falsely presenting it as something actively planned - when in truth, you clumsily stitched together a fragment of reality to peddle a flimsy distortion.

And no, it is not remotely alarming for theories to be tested or proof-of-concept studies to exist - that's called science, a discipline that moves forward by evidence, not by catering to the manufactured outrage of the perpetually confused.

 

 

Many of the anti-vaccination comments here dangle onto scraps of truth like drowning men clutching driftwood, desperately trying to feign credibility, all while hoping no one notices the gaping, fundamental flaws rotting away at the core of their arguments.

 

[Red Phoenix]

32 minutes ago, johng said:

41 minutes ago, MicroB said:

Why do the Moderators of the forum tolerate this nonsense?

 

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The forum is “off the beaten track“

a less censorious branch of the main forum..

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 hour ago, johng said:

 

Isn't it obvious that they will not tell you which stories they are censoring

its all for "national security" and your "own safety"  of course they can't tell the general public about on a website.

What's obvious is that from the very beginning and up until the present day, the D notice system has only ever been allowed to be used for matters regarding National Defence and Security. 

 

The other thing to bear in mind is that D notices are purely voluntary and have no legal authority. So if the government had tried to use a D notice for something it is clearly not entitled to, the editor or publisher would simply ignore it, knowing there's nothing that could happen to them. 

 

Again, from the DSMA website: 

 

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The system is voluntary, it has no legal authority and the final responsibility for deciding whether or not to publish or broadcast rests solely with the editor or publisher concerned.

 

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Small Vessel Disease. One of its features is cerebral atrophy, some quite advanced examples on this thread.

Steady on there L bud.

 

I've had a couple of IQ tests. The first one when I entered special forces. Scored 29 then. I did another, about 40 years later, and me score jumped up to 31.

 

I doubt very much if you could match that Sir.

[rattlesnake]

35 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Riiiight.

 

I'll have to check out the quacks on YouTube. Like ones who have nursing qualifications, explaining their thoughts on virology and immunology.

 

In my view, the most compelling aspect of John Campbell's channel is the voice he gives to vaccine-injured people (there are many).

 

Given how the people in this thread were affected by the plight of polio victims (and very rightly so), I anticipate they will be just as empathetic towards the Covid jab victims, who are often seriously crippled.

[johng]

40 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Like ones who have nursing qualifications, explaining their thoughts on virology and immunology.

You refer to  Dr John Cambell    an ardent proponent of vaccination

until he wasn't

 

https://www.youtube.com/@campbellteaching

[Airalee]

1 hour ago, MicroB said:

Why do the Moderators of the forum tolerate this nonsense?

 

Why would you take a screenshot from a completely different forum and sub forum and then insert it here in the off the beaten track forum?  A completely different forum.
 

 It can’t be a mistake because you would literally have to click over to another forum, take a screenshot….then come back, click on this forum….then the subforum….then the topic and then post and add the screenshot.

 

Is it because you’re dishonest, or because you’re jabbed to the gills and afraid of your future health?

 

Probably both.

 

 

[johng]

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Many of the anti-vaccination comments here dangle onto scraps of truth like drowning men clutching driftwood, desperately trying to feign credibility, all while hoping no one notices the gaping, fundamental flaws rotting away at the core of their arguments.

 

Yes reads to me like an AI generated flowery word fest  thanks.

[Airalee]

12 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I anticipate they will be just as empathetic towards the Covid jab victims, who are often seriously crippled.

That’s what their use of the laughing emoji is for every time someone mentions their “coincidence”.   They’re laughing with the vaccine injured…certainly not at them. 

[richard_smith237]

46 minutes ago, johng said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Many of the anti-vaccination comments here dangle onto scraps of truth like drowning men clutching driftwood, desperately trying to feign credibility, all while hoping no one notices the gaping, fundamental flaws rotting away at the core of their arguments.

 

Yes reads to me like an AI generated flowery word fest  thanks.

 

The truth strikes and you have no intelligent response, when your focus shifts to attacking how something is said, rather than what is said, it usually means the truth hit a little too close for comfort - your comment and lack of intelligent response highlights the weakness in your argument and the strength in mine.

 

As always, anti-vaccination arguments are laughably easy to dismantle - and predictably, the only defence is a half-witted tantrum or some absurd claim that we’ve somehow failed to "open our minds" to the real science, meaning YouTube gurus and anecdotal rants that collapse the moment they’re held up against decades of peer-reviewed evidence and undeniable statistical reality.

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

In my view, the most compelling aspect of John Campbell's channel is the voice he gives to vaccine-injured people (there are many).

 

In the interests of balance, does he also give a voice to those whose lives have been saved by vaccines?

Of course, that’s harder to showcase — it’s impossible to know whether you, I, or anyone else was personally saved.
Yet statistical modelling makes it clear: without vaccines, nearly half of us wouldn't even be here to argue about it.

 

 

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

Given how the people in this thread were affected by the plight of polio victims (and very rightly so), I anticipate they will be just as empathetic towards the Covid jab victims, who are often seriously crippled.

 

The correct emotional response is, of course, empathy toward any suffering. Thus, while compassion is essential, the wellbeing of the greater whole must take precedence over the rare misfortunes of a few. 

 

In the grand scheme, vaccines have dramatically reduced human suffering rather than caused it. Though big-picture thinking must never lose sight of individual hardship, the overwhelming body of evidence makes clear that those adversely affected remain an extreme minority.

[johng]

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The truth strikes and you have no intelligent response

 

The truth strikes and you use "Artificial Intelligence"  to counter  say it ain't true.

 

The mosquitoes to deliver vaccines was not a conspiracy theory as accussed

the very fact that they even considered the idea to deliver vaccines without consent is totally unacceptable to anyone except an AI bot IMHO.

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, johng said:

31 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The truth strikes and you have no intelligent response

 

The truth strikes and you use "Artificial Intelligence"  to counter  say it ain't true.

 

You're clinging to this tired "AI" accusation - feel free to run my comments through every AI checker you can find; it won't change a thing.

As I said before, and it's even more accurate now: "The truth strikes, and you have no intelligent response."

 

Your inability to engage with substance speaks loudly enough - you don't have the tools to debate this intelligently.

 

1 minute ago, johng said:

The mosquitoes to deliver vaccines was not a conspiracy theory as accussed

the very fact that they even considered the idea to deliver vaccines without consent is totally unacceptable to anyone except an AI bot IMHO.

 

You misrepresented 'it' as something it was not, and now part of your anti-vax argument clings desperately to the idea of something a research group merely considered.

Your relentless doubling down on a broken and readily debunked argument only serves to highlight the fundamentally broken thinking that underpins it.

[richard_smith237]

15 minutes ago, johng said:

The truth strikes and you use "Artificial Intelligence"  to counter  say it ain't true.

 

Thats your only angle - another comment of yours so readily debunked...   

 

If you lack the eloquence to articulate an effective argument you could look back and either blame your education, your lack of learning ability, or simple lack of intellect...    reading your comments, I'd blame all three.

 

 

[rumak]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There’s no doubt that, despite your opposing views, both of you tower intellectually over the forum’s average. Unfortunately, in threads like this, the collective IQ, dragged into the abyss by a few galactically idiotic contributors, plummets so far that sheer mediocrity begins to masquerade as brilliance....  

 

 

I guess their intelligence is just a little below yours ?  55555555555555

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, johng said:

You refer to  Dr John Cambell    an ardent proponent of vaccination

until he wasn't

 

https://www.youtube.com/@campbellteaching

He touts ivermectin as a prophylactic against COVID, when there is ample evidence it is ineffective.

 

He makes his money on YouTube, as he can't cut it in his selected profession.

 

I wonder how many people he has killed, who followed his advice. I guess that's a statistic that won't see the light of day.

[richard_smith237]

Just now, rumak said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

There’s no doubt that, despite your opposing views, both of you tower intellectually over the forum’s average. Unfortunately, in threads like this, the collective IQ, dragged into the abyss by a few galactically idiotic contributors, plummets so far that sheer mediocrity begins to masquerade as brilliance....  

 

 

I guess their intelligence is just a little below yours ?  55555555555555

 

It was intellectual mediocrity such as yours that I had in mind when drafting my comment... 

 

Ironically, you were the one to take such a comment personally !!!  

 

 

 

 

[BritManToo]

36 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

statistical modelling makes it clear: without vaccines, nearly half of us wouldn't even be here to argue about it.

I refused vaccines from age 13, and I'm still here.

Polio and tetanus were given to me before I learned to say no.

My first refusal was smallpox, I didn't like the look of the scar, and they tried to give it to me at the start of the summer hols, not to go swimming for 6 weeks. NO!

 

The tetanus shot was interesting, done by the school nurse, 30 of is lined up in a corridor, all injected with the same shared needle, what could possibly have gone wrong!

 

I regret caving into COVID X2 but I did because of all the threats to my personal freedom. Without the coercion, I would never have allowed them.

[GroveHillWanderer]

16 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

I encourage you to be less defensive.

 

Post-exposure prophylaxis is not the same thing as "vaccination" in the commonly accepted sense.

 

If @Red Phoenix wants to add any information or correct anything I am saying, he is welcome to, but as far as I am concerned, citing a post-exposure rabies treatment to justify "vaccination" as it exists in 2025 (17 doses injected into babies by the age of 6 months) is a false equivalence fallacy and nothing else.

 

Vaccination means the introduction into the human body of "a substance used to stimulate immunity to a particular infectious disease or pathogen." (OED definition).

 

The rabies vaccine fully meets that definition, so it's a vaccine whether you like it or not. Especially since it isn't given only as post-exposure prophylaxis, it can also be given in advance of exposure.

 

And 17 doses by the age of 6 months? In which country? Not in the UK and I doubt if that's the case in any other country either.

 

As per the NHS vaccination schedule given below, a child would receive a total of 8 vaccine doses covering 9 diseases, by that age. 

 

United Kingdom's NHS Vaccination Schedule for children under 1 year

 

https://www.nurofen.co.uk/children/articles/what-is-the-baby-vaccination-schedule-in-the-uk/

[johng]

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You're clinging to this tired "AI" accusation - feel free to run my comments through every AI checker you can find; it won't change a thing.

 

Thanks for confirming my suspicions  your artificial insults  as to my intellect

just make me even more sure.

 

Mosquitoes as a vaccine delivery system  is not a conspiracy theory as accussed

and still you have not addressed the fact that vaccination without consent is a total no no.

 

Ohh dear I'm going to have to go learn some AI prompts  to get it to respond in an unauthorised manor.

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I refused vaccines from age 13, and I'm still here.

 

Survivor fallacy - surely, by now even you must grasp the fundamental flaw in the tired "I'm still here" argument, no?

 

Do you wear a seatbelt? No?
Why bother - after all, you're still here, even if you've never had a major accident, right? (I hope that clears up the flaw in your thinking.)

 

Apply the same logic to riding without a helmet... and now, apply it to your anti-vaccination argument.

 

Survival without incident doesn't invalidate the protective value of prevention - it merely proves you were lucky, not wise.

 

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Polio and tetanus were given to me before I learned to say no.

My first refusal was smallpox, I didn't like the look of the scar, and they tried to give it to me at the start of the summer hols, not to go swimming for 6 weeks. NO!

 

The Polio and Tetanus vaccines stand as strong examples of why you are still here today.
Before vaccination, polio crippled and killed thousands every year, and tetanus turned even minor injuries into near-certain death sentences - its likely you avoided that through due to vaccination of you and everyone around you.

As for your refusal to take the smallpox vaccine - it's meaningless throwaway point. By the time you had the luxury of declining, smallpox had already been eradicated through the collective action of those who were vaccinated long before you ever had the chance to freeload and claim some intellectual choice !!

 

 

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I regret caving into COVID X2 but I did because of all the threats to my personal freedom. Without the coercion, I would never have allowed them.

 

Did the two COVID vaccines somehow harm you?
Have they devastated your health in some mysterious, unspoken way?
Or are you now claiming to be a living example of "post-vaccination autism"?

 

[BritManToo]

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

the two COVID vaccines somehow harm you?
Have they devastated your health in some mysterious, unspoken way?
Or are you now claiming to be a living example of "post-vaccination autism"?

They certainly didn't do me any good as I had COVID a few months after my second vaccination. Lucky me doesn't seem affected much by disease or vaccination or accident for that matter.

 

But no smallpox scar on my arm all my life, and a nice summer of swimming was a definite plus to avoiding vaccination.

[Airalee]

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

It was intellectual mediocrity such as yours that I had in mind when drafting my comment... 

 

Ironically, you were the one to take such a comment personally !!!  

 

 

 

 

You have so many cut and past comments from things that you’ve googled (and failed to attribute the source) that blathering on about others intellectual mediocrity is laughable.

 

Feel free to deny it and I’ll post the proof.

[Mike_Hunt]

On 4/25/2025 at 4:47 AM, Lacessit said:

Due to my travels, I have had more vaccines than most.

 

Unfortunately for the OP, probabilities are not additive.

 

I have also lived longer than the national average for Americans.

 

 

 

 

[Airalee]

9 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Thanks for confirming my suspicions  your artificial insults  as to my intellect

just make me even more sure.

 

Mosquitoes as a vaccine delivery system  is not a conspiracy theory as accussed

and still you have not addressed the fact that vaccination without consent is a total no no.

 

Ohh dear I'm going to have to go learn some AI prompts  to get it to respond in an unauthorised manor.

He constantly cuts and pastes from google.  Never gives credit either.

 

Intellectual fraud.

[Mike_Hunt]

On 4/25/2025 at 4:33 AM, rattlesnake said:

 

That's real science, man. 

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

They certainly didn't do me any good as I had COVID a few months after my second vaccination. Lucky me doesn't seem affected much by disease or vaccination or accident for that matter.

 

You received a COVID vaccination specifically designed to minimise the impact of infection.

You caught COVID, suffered no serious effects - and somehow you argue the vaccine "did nothing" for you.
In reality, your experience is a textbook example of a successful vaccination: it did exactly what it was meant to do, and you're living proof of it.

 

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

But no smallpox scar on my arm, and a nice summer of swimming was a definite plus to avoiding vaccination.

 

The smallpox vaccination is no longer routinely given to the general public because smallpox was declared eradicated by the World Health Organization (WHO) in 1980...

 

... All of that is thanks to successful vaccination campaigns worldwide...