Anti-vaxers relying on discredited doctor's claims about COVID vaccines... again!

[rattlesnake]

8 hours ago, Airalee said:

With this new Covid resurgence……anybody want to take bets on which vaxxed and boosted forum members will be the next to “stop posting”?

 

The list is getting looooooong.

 

Not to mention the hordes of them who have had major medical problems, as evidenced by their posts in the health section… Everybody together, 3, 2, 1: "Correlation does not mean causatiooon""…

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

People board aircraft on a daily basis. They trust the science and engineering of the flight industry, and the skill of the pilots, to get them to their destination safely.

 

I would 100% stop using planes if there was a spike in crashes and the stats were manipulated to gaslight the public into thinking nothing was wrong.

[Airalee]

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Not to mention the hordes of them who have had major medical problems, as evidenced by their posts in the health section… Everybody together, 3, 2, 1: "Correlation does not mean causatiooon""…

Have you seen the three (vaccinated) people talk about (in the latest Covid scare news thread) their recent Covid infections being the worst ones yet?

 

Imagine if they weren’t vaccinated.   Could have been worser.

 

 

[Airalee]

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I would 100% stop using planes if there was a spike in crashes and the stats were manipulated to gaslight the public into thinking nothing was wrong.

What if they offered a free donut?

 

 

[Magictoad]

The anti vax nutters can not get published in any reputable medical or scientific journals so they spread their rubbish on forums like this.

The pity is some gullible fools believe them and then don't get the appropriate vaccines for their children. In America this is leading to an outbreak of Measles and also Shingles for those who missed out on their Chicken pox vaccination.

Shingles is incredibly painful! But you can get a vaccine against it as an adult.

[rattlesnake]

6 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

The anti vax nutters can not get published in any reputable medical or scientific journals so they spread their rubbish on forums like this.

 

A word on top virologist Dr. Robert Redfield, who served as the director of the CDC during the Covid crisis, who claims that reports of so-called "Long Covid" are actually a cover-up for mRNA vaccine injury?

 

Since leaving his federal government position at the end of President Donald Trump’s first term in January 2021, Redfield has focused on treating patients in his medical practice.

He explains in the interview that his surgery is flooded with patients who have been led to believe they have “Lond Covid.”

However, he notes that the vast majority of those patients are actually suffering from an injury caused by the Covid mRNA “vaccine” they received.

 

https://slaynews.com/news/ex-cdc-director-long-covid-mrna-vaccine-injury/

[Airalee]

10 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

The anti vax nutters can not get published in any reputable medical or scientific journals so they spread their rubbish on forums like this.

The pity is some gullible fools believe them and then don't get the appropriate vaccines for their children. In America this is leading to an outbreak of Measles and also Shingles for those who missed out on their Chicken pox vaccination.

Shingles is incredibly painful! But you can get a vaccine against it as an adult.

Won’t somebody pleeeeeease think of the children!

 

 

[rattlesnake]

26 minutes ago, Airalee said:

What if they offered a free donut?

 

 

 

That would be a game changer… But the biggest kick would be to join the Good People and cheer and clap while the Bad People are persecuted.

 

 

[Airalee]

12 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

That would be a game changer… But the biggest kick would be to join the Good People and cheer and clap while the Bad People are persecuted.

 

 

And that’s why this video is appropriate 

 

 

"Hey Man Nice Shot"
 

I wish I would've met you
Now it's a little late
What you could've taught me
I could've saved some face
They think that your early ending
Was all wrong
For the most part they're right
But look how they all got strong
That's why I say hey man, nice shot
What a good shot man
A man
Has gun
Hey man
Have fun
Nice shot
Now that the smoke's gone
And the air is all clear
Those who were right there
Got a new kind of fear
You'd fight and you were right
But they were just too strong
They'd stick it in your face
And let you smell what they consider wrong
That's why I say hey man nice, nice shot
What a good shot man
A man
Has gun
Hey man
Have fun
Nice shot
I wish I would've met you
I wish I would've met you
I'd say
Nice shot

 

 

-Filter

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/TXWXirDdLlhN

[rattlesnake]

22 minutes ago, Airalee said:

And that’s why this video is appropriate 

 

 

"Hey Man Nice Shot"
 

I wish I would've met you
Now it's a little late
What you could've taught me
I could've saved some face
They think that your early ending
Was all wrong
For the most part they're right
But look how they all got strong
That's why I say hey man, nice shot
What a good shot man
A man
Has gun
Hey man
Have fun
Nice shot
Now that the smoke's gone
And the air is all clear
Those who were right there
Got a new kind of fear
You'd fight and you were right
But they were just too strong
They'd stick it in your face
And let you smell what they consider wrong
That's why I say hey man nice, nice shot
What a good shot man
A man
Has gun
Hey man
Have fun
Nice shot
I wish I would've met you
I wish I would've met you
I'd say
Nice shot

 

 

-Filter

 

https://www.bitchute.com/video/TXWXirDdLlhN

 

Saved that one in my Covidism folder. I will be able to show it to people when I'm old and say "Yes, this actually happened".

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

 

A word on top virologist Dr. Robert Redfield, who served as the director of the CDC during the Covid crisis, who claims that reports of so-called "Long Covid" are actually a cover-up for mRNA vaccine injury?

 

Since leaving his federal government position at the end of President Donald Trump’s first term in January 2021, Redfield has focused on treating patients in his medical practice.

He explains in the interview that his surgery is flooded with patients who have been led to believe they have “Lond Covid.”

However, he notes that the vast majority of those patients are actually suffering from an injury caused by the Covid mRNA “vaccine” they received.

 

https://slaynews.com/news/ex-cdc-director-long-covid-mrna-vaccine-injury/

Does Dr. Redfield have factual evidence to support his claim, or is he expressing an opinion?

 

Argumentum ad verecundiam only has some validity with consensus, not individuals.

[rattlesnake]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Does Dr. Redfield have factual evidence to support his claim, or is he expressing an opinion?

 

What do you think?

 

This is what Dr. Redfield's peers had to say about him when he was appointed as CDC Director in 2018:

 

“Dr. Redfield’s appointment to Director of CDC is a brilliant recognition of a great public health advocate, an excellent researcher, and one that has a life of dedication to public service. This appointment is refreshingly not about politics, but about quality, competence and compassion. Dr. Redfield encompasses all of those qualities and more.”

Terry Lierman, Chairman of IHV’s Board of Advisors

 

“Dr. Redfield is eminently qualified for this critical position. He has made a lifelong commitment to advancing biomedical research and human health through discovery-based medicine."

Albert Reece, MD, PhD, MBA, Executive Vice President for Medical Affairs (UM Baltimore) and John Z. Akiko Bowers Distinguished Professor and Dean (University of Maryland School of Medicine)

 

“Dr. Redfield has served his country well, and consistently demonstrates strong public health instincts that are grounded in science and clinical medicine. In my view, despite the loss to the Institute, I believe this makes him the ideal candidate to direct the CDC.”

Dr. Gallo, Director and co-founder of the Institute of Human Virology (IHV) at the University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland

 

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2018/dr-robert-redfield-co-founder-of-the-institute-of-human-virology-at-the-university-of-maryland-school-of-medicine-to-become-cdc-director.html
 

[johng]

Here another video for the collection

 

 

[HighPriority]

6 hours ago, johng said:

 

I see some others have already given some valid answers so will be brief.

The very question you ask as to a whether I believe a fraud was perpetuated on the public  indicates to me that either you have not been paying much attention for the last few years and/or  you only get your "information"  from

the trusted news initiative sources..  Of course it was a massive fraud

 

I believe that 3 American states are planning suits against Fauci and Co for their role in the Covid debacle...you may remember his flip flopping on mask  use

the made up "science" behind social distancing   the recommendation to shut the country  and the lies told to congress about all these + the gain of function research not only in Wuhan  but at Chapel Hill  North Carolina and probably in Ukraine too.  And to top it all off the mandating of a novel,rushed "vaccine"

tested on 8 mice  by pharmaceutical companies   

"working at the speed of science"  who have the "regulatory bodies" on their payroll !!

 

You probably also missed the scandal about the beagle experiments he funded and the AIDS  stuff too  ( have a look at Dallas Buyers Club  2013 )

 

 

Dallas buyers club !!!
Im convinced !

where do I sign up ?

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[HighPriority]

5 hours ago, johng said:

 

I still always feel rather nervous when flying even though

"the science" and engineering of air flight is quite understandable with 100% provable  results  right there in front of your (lying) eyes  

however if you had suggested it was possible 200 years ago  they would have burned you at the stake (called you a conspiracy theorist)

 

In total contrast to the "vaccines"

 

 

especially not into the 2 world trade towers and the pentagon 😋

You are visionary…

You are beyond us.

😵‍💫

[johng]

4 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

You are beyond us.

 

Probably  💋 😋

 

7 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

Dallas buyers club

 

You can find it on your favourite torrent site.

[HighPriority]

Ohh look !!

Selective quoting… great to see that you’ve learned from your masters 👍🏼

 

[ThailandRyan]

On 5/9/2025 at 1:25 AM, Airalee said:

Have you seen the three (vaccinated) people talk about (in the latest Covid scare news thread) their recent Covid infections being the worst ones yet?

 

Imagine if they weren’t vaccinated.   Could have been worser.

 

 

Exactly,  death .ay have occurred had they been unvaccinated. Lost a few friends to Covid who refused to be vaccinated yet were scared enough about shingles that they vaccinated against it.......

[ThailandRyan]

On 5/9/2025 at 5:38 AM, HighPriority said:

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Im convinced !

where do I sign up ?

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There are always those that dig in their heels and believe the alt left or right wing sites. Have to do your due diligence and pick through it all and then verify what's been stated in order to truly get a good understanding of what's right and what's not....he still probably believes in Ivermectin and Bleach....

[scubascuba3]

Just had covid, felt like just a cold except taste and smell now mostly gone, no vaccination this time, maybe that's why

[Lacessit]

On 5/9/2025 at 4:54 PM, rattlesnake said:

 

What do you think?

 

This is what Dr. Redfield's peers had to say about him when he was appointed as CDC Director in 2018:

 

“Dr. Redfield’s appointment to Director of CDC is a brilliant recognition of a great public health advocate, an excellent researcher, and one that has a life of dedication to public service. This appointment is refreshingly not about politics, but about quality, competence and compassion. Dr. Redfield encompasses all of those qualities and more.”

Terry Lierman, Chairman of IHV’s Board of Advisors

 

“Dr. Redfield is eminently qualified for this critical position. He has made a lifelong commitment to advancing biomedical research and human health through discovery-based medicine."

Albert Reece, MD, PhD, MBA, Executive Vice President for Medical Affairs (UM Baltimore) and John Z. Akiko Bowers Distinguished Professor and Dean (University of Maryland School of Medicine)

 

“Dr. Redfield has served his country well, and consistently demonstrates strong public health instincts that are grounded in science and clinical medicine. In my view, despite the loss to the Institute, I believe this makes him the ideal candidate to direct the CDC.”

Dr. Gallo, Director and co-founder of the Institute of Human Virology (IHV) at the University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland

 

https://www.medschool.umaryland.edu/news/2018/dr-robert-redfield-co-founder-of-the-institute-of-human-virology-at-the-university-of-maryland-school-of-medicine-to-become-cdc-director.html
 

You are using the same kudos as before, which does NOT answer my question.

 

I prefer data and facts, which neither you or Dr. Redfield are posting.

 

What do I think? He is stating an opinion without data to back it up.

[rattlesnake]

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You are using the same kudos as before, which does NOT answer my question.

 

I prefer data and facts, which neither you or Dr. Redfield are posting.

 

What do I think? He is stating an opinion without data to back it up.

 

He is one of the top virologists in the world, ex-CDC Director with a demonstrated track record of evidence-based research, of course he has data to back it up.

 

He 100% matches the profile you have been citing for years to justify your stance on the Covid vaccine, and it is remarkable (though not in the least surprising) to see you refuse to look into what he says simply because it isn't what you want to hear.

 

The good news, at least, is that you can now refrain from stating that only virologists are qualified to talk about this issue, and other inanities such as this:

  

On 5/9/2025 at 8:32 AM, Lacessit said:

People board aircraft on a daily basis. They trust the science and engineering of the flight industry, and the skill of the pilots, to get them to their destination safely.

 

Yet some of the same people won't trust the science behind vaccinations, because some populist looking for an audience to grift tells them what they want to hear. Vaccinations bad.

 

Nobody would trust a person who has only driven a car to fly an aircraft, but when it comes to medical science, they think a chimpanzee in the cockpit is OK.

 

[Lacessit]

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

He is one of the top virologists in the world, ex-CDC Director with a demonstrated track record of evidence-based research, of course he has data to back it up.

 

He 100% matches the profile you have been citing for years to justify your stance on the Covid vaccine, and it is remarkable (though not in the least surprising) to see you refuse to look into what he says simply because it isn't what you want to hear.

 

The good news, at least, is that you can now refrain from stating that only virologists are qualified to talk about this issue, and other inanities such as this:

  

 

If he has data to back it up, please post it. Repeating his opinion over and over does not make that opinion any more valid.

 

I am quite fascinated by the proposition long COVID can be distinguished as being caused by COVID itself, from that caused by so-called "vaccine injury". How could that be proved?.

 

In Australia, statistically, unvaccinated COVID patients were 6-7 times more likely to need ICU admission.

 

During the delta wave, vaccinated adolescents were significantly less likely to develop long COVID than their vaccinated peers. One meta-analysis  found the odds ratio was 2.34 times more likely for unvaccinated individuals. Another study found vaccinated people were 60% less likely to develop long COVID.

 

Anecdotally, I know a person who is ten years younger than me. Rejected being vaccinated. Pre-Covid, he would walk 15 km a day. Post-COVID, he could barely walk to his front gate for several months.

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9978692/#:~:text=Two doses of mRNA vaccines,Most common symptoms

 

Of course, this is all information and data YOU don't want to hear, as it contradicts your obsession.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[bubblegum]

Deny what you want I decide about my own health and when it gets out of hand I will do the booster. 

[FlorC]

How did : Biden warns of winter of ‘severe illness and death’ for unvaccinated due to Omicron   , work out ?

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/16/politics/joe-biden-warning-winter/index.html

 

Did White House Say Unvaccinated Are Looking at 'Winter of Severe Illness and Death'? | Snopes.com     YES.

 

Well that didn't happen.

 

About Fauci , if the autopen isn't voided ,

there is also still the International criminal court in The Hague.

No federal pardon for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court

 

[xylophone]

This post from Johng..........Here I'll mess with your head a bit   the "Covid" came from a lab  funded by  Fauci and Co. they already had it and  the "vaccine"  patented before the "accidental" release    even better there were and are  effective medications to treat the "Covid"  and therefore the mandating of therapies was unethical and unlawful , the day that these criminals responsible see their day in court can't come soon enough. 

 

This won't please the above poster or the other conspiracy theorists on here...............

Genetic study retraces the origins of coronaviruses in bats…..

 As China and the United States trade charges of a lab leak, researchers contend in a new paper that the Covid pandemic got its start, like a previous one, in the wildlife trade.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/genetic-study-retraces-the-origins-of-coronaviruses-in-bats/GGSBQKCOM5DGVDB5DLHAQL23JA/

 

Occam's razor anyone??

 

[richard_smith237]

On 5/9/2025 at 11:56 AM, rattlesnake said:

 

That would be a game changer… But the biggest kick would be to join the Good People and cheer and clap while the Bad People are persecuted.

 

 

 

Firstly, from an informational standpoint, the upper graphic (focused on isolation) is quite effective when it comes to respiratory viruses in general. I sometimes catch colds while travelling on aircraft - hardly surprising given the close proximity to others.

 

Some people claim they're fit, healthy, and never get sick. Frankly, that’s just bluster - usually said to win an argument, not based on reality. I take more than 20 international flights a year, so it's inevitable I'll be exposed to respiratory viruses. Most of the time, it’s just a mild cold and nothing more.

 

That said, I’ve had the occasional run-in with a proper flu, and when that hits, it can ruin half a holiday in the process.

 

So yes, taking sensible precautions is... well, sensible. I don’t wear a mask, but I do apply basic common sense measures.

 

If I’m aware of a flu outbreak, I’ll absolutely reconsider my local plans etc. And in the past, I’ve taken the influenza vaccine - especially ahead of winter holidays - just to try to avoid being laid up with the flu while everyone else is out on the side of a mountain....

 

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As for the second graphic - the one featuring Doug Little - all I can say is that the man comes across as a complete ayhole.

That kind of dictatorial, quasi-fascist rhetoric needs to be shut down, not amplified.

 

If we genuinely want to encourage people to get vaccinated, we need to focus on facts, open access to information, and, as you often point out - unbiased, transparent studies.

 

And the reality is, those studies already exist. The data is out there. The science is clear. But anti-vaxxers ignore it. So, if pro-vaccine advocates in the US (or anywhere) want to achieve the kind of vaccination rates that ensure herd immunity and safer communities, the solution isn’t coercion - it’s education.

 

The problem, as I see it, is that for a certain group, it simply doesn’t matter how solid the evidence is, how credible the source, or how transparent the research. There will always be those who latch onto the rare 1-in-a-million adverse event and weaponise it to spread misinformation.

 

They’re so deeply entrenched in their anti-vax worldview that they’ll reject science and reason outright and double down when confronted with facts.

 

I’ve said it before: even with flawless, peer-reviewed studies and clinical data laid bare for all to see, some people will remain wholly anti-vax. No amount of clean, clear, and unequivocal evidence will sway them - because they’re not searching for truth; they’re defending an identity.

 

 

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And finally, let me be absolutely clear - I'm not claiming vaccines are perfectly safe. Nothing in life is perfectly safe. Some people are allergic to water or apples. Others can’t sleep lying down. There are even those with severe reactions to direct sunlight. So yes, there are individuals who are allergic to ingredients found in certain vaccines.

 

But these rare cases do not invalidate the overwhelming public health benefits of vaccination. The adverse effects experienced by a tiny minority should not outweigh the protection afforded to the vast majority. The truth is simple: the benefits of vaccination far outweigh the risks - by any rational measure, and against any argument.

 

.... Of course, the core issue now is that “any argument” often involves irrational, emotional claims built on incomplete or misleading data. Take, for example, a tragic case where a young girl dies within 12 hours of receiving a vaccine - an immediate assumption is made that the vaccine caused it. But correlation does not imply causation, especially in isolated, highly emotive incidents like this.

 

Unfortunately, objectivity is the first casualty in such cases. Emotion takes over, and these anecdotes are rapidly weaponised into anti-vax rhetoric - spreading fear through sensationalism rather than fostering understanding through evidence.

 

[johng]

19 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

he still probably believes in Ivermectin and Bleach....

I think you'll find that both kill the virus.

[johng]

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

As for the second graphic - the one featuring Doug Little - all I can say is that the man comes across as a complete ayhole.

That kind of dictatorial, quasi-fascist rhetoric needs to be shut down, not amplified.

 

That kind of ayhole were amplified and promoted all over the interwebs,mainstream media and here on this forum..those pushing back were censored and derided as conspiracy theorists.

 

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

But these rare cases do not invalidate the overwhelming public health benefits of vaccination. The adverse effects experienced by a tiny minority should not outweigh the protection afforded to the vast majority.

 

Rubbish there have been more adverse reactions to these jabs than all the others that came before them.

[johng]

4 hours ago, FlorC said:

About Fauci , if the autopen isn't voided ,

there is also still the International criminal court in The Hague.

No federal pardon for that.

Unfortunately the US  has a standing order that any American extradited to the Hague for crimes  can be repatriated using military force...so  I think they US will have to try him themself  on US soil.