Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker Calls for Mobilization Against "Madman" Trump's Authoritarianism

[frank83628]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Ya, pretty much figured you wouldn't understand the notion of creeping authoritarianism and politico-corporate oligarchy....

 

Coming from a  guy who hinks everyone shof be forced to wear masks

[TedG]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Kettle pot....

 

 

Try me. 

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I think that makes him someone who believes that all people should be treated fairly and equally, regardless of their gender or how they identify their gender.

 

Or vaccination status

[TedG]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Ya, pretty much figured you wouldn't understand the notion of creeping authoritarianism and politico-corporate oligarchy....

 

 

Can you cite some examples of this "creeping authoritarianism"?    

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Being fat is nothing compared to being a corrupt grifter adjudicated rapist economics know nothing Putin lover.

 

You could have gone on with more, considering there's a much longer list... But that's a pretty good synopsis for starters!  🙂

 

I'd add, attempted insurrectionist, first president to have a felony criminal conviction, first president to be twice impeached in the House, etc etc.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/donald-trump-first-convicted-felon-elected-president-1.7375060

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/majority-of-house-members-vote-for-2nd-impeachment-of-trump

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/trump-pardoning-jan-6-insurrectionists-would-endorse-attacks-democracy

 

 

 

[Cameroni]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

I think that makes him someone who believes that all people should be treated fairly and equally, regardless of their gender or how they identify their gender.

 

You mean that makes him someone who gives special privileges to LGBT people. At the cost of the tax payer.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

Can you cite some examples of this "creeping authoritarianism"?

 

 

Deporting people in violation of federal court orders and then refusing to comply with lawful federal court orders that they be returned...  That's just a small piece of a much larger tableau.

 

Also, trying to rule by executive order.... instead of thru lawful legislation. News the other day said Trump by the first 100 days of his current admin had issued more exec orders than any pres. in history, and had signed the fewest pieces of actual legislation during the same period.

 

And of course, quite a few of those executive orders have been challenges as unlawful and quite a few already have been found unlawful by the federal courts that have heard the cases thus far....

 

Not to mention, Trump already talking about running for a third term, which legal experts and former judges have widely said would be unconstitutional.  Same with his announced plan to try to remove birthright citizenship from the children of undocumented people who are born in the U.S.

 

[Jingthing]

Keeping it real.

AOC is not inevitable! 

If we do still have real presidential elections by 2028, the democratic primaries are gonna be epic.

[TedG]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Deporting people in violation of federal court orders and then refusing to comply with lawful federal court orders that they be returned...  That's just a small piece of a much larger tableau.

 

 

 

How does that compare to the authoritarianism of the Dems during the COVID lockdowns?  

 

How does that compare to the authoritarianism of Joe Biden forgiving student loans when he lacked the power to do so?

 

How does that compare to the authoritarianism of Obama killing US Citizens with drones without due process? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Presidents Can’t End Birthright Citizenship

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/presidents-cant-end-birthright-citizenship

 

Another federal judge blocks Trump’s order ending birthright citizenship

"Following a hearing on Thursday, Coughenour — a Ronald Reagan appointee who has been on the bench since 1980 — issued his own injunction. Trump is simply trying to amend the 14th Amendment — which grants citizenship to those born in the U.S. and subject to its jurisdiction — for political reasons, the judge said.

 

“The rule of law is, according to him, something to navigate around or something ignored, whether that be for political or personal gain,” Coughenour said. “In this courtroom and under my watch the rule of law is a bright beacon, which I intend to follow.”

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/another-federal-judge-blocks-trumps-order-ending-birthright-citizenship

 

 

President’s Third Term Talk Defies Constitution and Tests Democracy

The 22nd Amendment is clear: President Trump has to give up his office after his second term. But his refusal to accept that underscores how far he is willing to consider going to consolidate power.

New York Times

https://archive.ph/4fKq0

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

How does that compare to the authoritarianism of the Dems during the COVID lockdowns?  

 

How does that compare to the authoritarianism of Joe Biden forgiving student loans when he lacked the power to do so?

 

How does that compare to the authoritarianism of Obama killing US Citizens with drones without due process? 

 

Neither Obama nor Biden were trying to take over personal control of the U.S. government in violation of the Constitution and lawful court orders.

 

And, the U.S. government under Biden timely complied with court orders when they were issued regarding COVID policies held by the federal government -- instead of ignoring court orders as Trump's admin has done. Biden's admin defended its policies in court as they were entitled to do, and in those cases where they lost, they followed the applicable court rulings.

 

[Jingthing]

It's way early to make any predictions about 28 and first we need to have a somewhat normal 26. But if there are still real elections it seems to me that Pritzker presents an interesting political package with potential to be a contender. Personally I don't get why the dems would go with Newsome. California is viewed in some ways as it's own country. I really like the idea of going midwestern. I've always been a big fan of Amy Klobuchar but more like as a past candidate rather than a future one. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

44 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's way early to make any predictions about 28 and first we need to have a somewhat normal 26. But if there are still real elections it seems to me that Pritzker presents an interesting political package with potential to be a contender. Personally I don't get why the dems would go with Newsome. California is viewed in some ways as it's own country. I really like the idea of going midwestern. I've always been a big fan of Amy Klobuchar but more like as a past candidate rather than a future one. 

 

I don't want to get off the main topic of your thread, Jing... But in recent months since the last election, I've been giving a lot of thought to the prospect that the Democrats might nominate another woman as their presidential candidate in 2024, and I'm very concerned and fearful about that....

 

Not because I don't think women can make great presidents or because I don't think any of the leading Democratic women are qualified and capable... I absolutely believe they are both. And I voted for Harris last time without hesitation, because I clearly knew what Trump was going to become, as he and his minions had made no secret of it prior to the election, for anyone who actually was paying attention.

 

Rather, in a country as divided and polarized as the U.S., I believe sadly, there probably are a sufficient number of Neanderthal non-MAGA Republicans and independents, and maybe even some Bluedog Democrats, who may talk about opposing Trump's Republican idiocy. But when push comes to shove, they just won't or can't bring themselves to vote for a Democrat woman candidate as president. Who knows, for some, maybe wouldn't vote for any woman nominee.

 

And it's my fear, there are enough of those wrong-headed folks in the country, who if faced with a woman Democrat nominee, could well end up giving the narrow edge to another Republican presidential election winner....  And that I have to spell out that fear... is a really sad thing.

 

[TedG]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Neither Obama nor Biden were trying to take over personal control of the U.S. government in violation of the Constitution and lawful court orders.

 

And, the U.S. government under Biden timely complied with court orders when they were issued regarding COVID policies held by the federal government -- instead of ignoring court orders as Trump's admin has done. Biden's admin defended its policies in court as they were entitled to do, and in those cases where they lost, they followed the applicable court rulings.

 

Speaking of authoritarian.   Under the Biden administration, the CDC issued a national eviction moratorium.   

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The Biden era moratorium was hardly some crazy illegal scheme.... It was considered by and even endorsed by Congress at one point, was arguably supported by a prior law, and later one version of the moratorium was upheld by a 5-4 Supreme Court ruling involving the Trump era court, as the NYT article below recounts.

 

But later, a divided high court shifted its opinion and their ultimate ruling brought the moratorium to an end... And that's the way the legal and government systems are supposed to work -- unlike the nonsense with Trump and his administration's open defiance of court rulings.

Supreme Court Ends Biden’s Eviction Moratorium

The ruling followed political and legal maneuvering by the administration to retain protections for tenants. It puts hundreds of thousands at risk of being put out of their homes.

 

Published Aug. 26, 2021Updated Nov. 7, 2021

 

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Thursday rejected the Biden administration’s latest moratorium on evictions, ending a political and legal dispute during a public health crisis in which the administration’s shifting positions had subjected it to criticism from adversaries and allies alike.

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The administration’s legal maneuvering might have failed, but it bought some time for tenants threatened with eviction. In unusually candid remarks this month, President Biden said that was part of his calculus in deciding to proceed with the new moratorium, which was set to expire Oct. 3.

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Many states and localities, including New York and California, have extended their own moratoriums, providing another layer of protection for some renters. In some places, judges, aware of the potential for large numbers of people to be put out on the street even as the pandemic intensifies again, have said they would slow-walk cases and make greater use of eviction diversion programs.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/26/us/eviction-moratorium-ends.html

 

PS - A national measure to protect tenants from COVID era evictions hardly belongs in the same discussion or category as leading an attempted U.S. government insurrection to overrturn a lawfully decided presidential election, or wrongfully deporting people with legal standing to remain in the U.S. at the time to foreign countries and/or foreign prisons.

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 American Children Were Sent to Honduras With Their Undocumented Mother

The children, 4 and 7, were put on a plane with their mother, who was deported. The family’s lawyer said the mother was given no choice but to take her children, which the Trump administration denied.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/27/us/politics/us-citizen-children-deported-honduras-trump.html

 

U.S. citizen children, including 4-year-old with cancer, taken to Honduras on mother's deportation flight, legal advocates say

Two siblings, ages 4 and 7, were flown out of the U.S. on their mother’s deportation flight before attorneys could reach them, according to the National Immigration Project.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/two-children-us-citizens-4-and-7-year-old-deported-honduras-rcna203208

 

 

 

"The White House is digging in on its refusal to bring back a Maryland man who was mistakenly deported to El Salvador, viewing the controversial fight as a political winner that keeps the focus on an issue of strength for President Trump.

 

Democrats and civil rights groups have been in an uproar about the removal of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who the Trump administration acknowledged in a court filing had been sent to a notorious El Salvador prison by mistake.

 

Abrego Garcia is a 29-year-old Salvadoran national who fled that country as a teenager to escape gang violence. He was protected from deportation by an immigration judge in 2019, a fact courts this year have underscored in calling on the administration to bring him back to the United States.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5252735-trump-administration-refuses-bring-back/

 

'Homegrowns are next': Trump hopes to deport and jail U.S. citizens abroad

April 16, 202511:56 AM ET

 

President Trump says his administration is actively exploring a proposal to detain U.S. citizens and send them to prisons in El Salvador. Speaking Monday, minutes before a press briefing alongside El Salvador's president, Nayib Bukele, Trump could be heard embracing the concept.

 

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The proposal has drawn condemnation from some legal scholars, who said it would represent an unprecedented encroachment on the civil liberties of U.S. citizens.

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"It's obviously unconstitutional, obviously illegal. There's no authority in any U.S. law to deport U.S. citizens and certainly not to imprison them in a foreign country," said David Bier of the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank based in Washington, D.C.

 

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/16/nx-s1-5366178/trump-deport-jail-u-s-citizens-homegrowns-el-salvador

 

 

All of the above are hallmarks of a would-be American dictator who believes himself to be above the laws and not constrained by federal court rulings or the actual Constitution.

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

 

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

adjudicated rapist

 

As opposed to a real rapist?

[bendejo]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Keeping it real.

AOC is not inevitable! 

If we do still have real presidential elections by 2028, the democratic primaries are gonna be epic.

 

Overall I think their problem is they let the GOP run over them, even when they hold the cards.  The GOP should actually love Pelosi for letting them dump all over the ACA before it got passed; I was so aggravated by this (and still am, where's my blood pressure gauge?) that I did not vote in 2012.  I'm in favor of bringing back the Puritan punishment devices: 12 hours on the dunking stool for Susan Collins (part of the vanguard of deceptively watering down the ACA)  would do us all some good, just might wash the hypocrite out of her..

 

Summary: the Dems bring a spoon to a knife fight.

 

 

[Patong2021]

Maybe  Pritzker is right. However, he should first focus on cleaning up his state's problems and the mess of a city called Chicago.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Maybe  Pritzker is right. However, he should first focus on cleaning up his state's problems and the mess of a city called Chicago.

Chicago and Illinois are in the USA.

[Tug]

8 hours ago, TedG said:

 

It's all the Dems have. 

Naa ya forgot the economy nato ally’s all that kinda stuff,freedom of speech due process and on and on plenty of material to run on,how’s about Californias success a democratic run state being the 4th largest economy on the planet…..he he he!!!that’s gotta burn lmao 🤣!! As your presious trust fund baby tanks the country….sorry most folks aren’t marching to the pied pipers song anymore.