Elections Australia

[Harrisfan]

Just now, hotsun said:

Do australia and canada have free elections? Do the people want this? Thats what i wonder

There's too many green nongs with stupid climate agenda.

[theshu25]

42 minutes ago, grain said:

Dutton must be the worse thing that's ever happened to the Libs in their entire history, not only did he lose this election, he did so in a massive landslide giving the ALP a huge majority, he destroyed his own political career at the same time, and wiped out a whole bunch of future Lib leaders. Talking about a big-time loser. Good riddance. 

Totally agree, the guy is an ignorant  grub.

[grain]

3 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

Maybe the fact that Dutton came over as a bit of Plod had something to do with it ....he always reminded me of a funeral undertaker .

He always made me think of an executioner. If capital punishment was ever reintroduced Dutton would be the man for the job. If they ever remade the movie "Braveheart" and were casting for the guy who chops up William Wallace at the end, then Peter Dutton would be perfect for that part. He'd probably win best supporting actor. 😂

[simple1]

5 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Tariffs are left wing

 

Oh OK, now I know, trump ideology represents left wing ideology - learn something new everyday...

[simple1]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

You need to explain this otherwise it's simply another anti-Trump opinion.

 

Covered and commented upon extensively by right wing media in OZ

[Harrisfan]

2 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Oh OK, now I know, trump ideology represents left wing ideology - learn something new everyday...

Not his idea. Old school protectionism.

[Harrisfan]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Covered and commented upon extensively by right wing media in OZ

So you believe any bs thats on tv

 

[simple1]

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Not his idea. Old school protectionism.

 

Actually source is paleo conservatism which Stephen Miller supports and influences trump

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism

[Harrisfan]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Actually source is paleo conservatism which Stephen Miller supports and influences trump

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism

Nope. Tariffs started in 1700s

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_1789

[mfd101]

I expect that the lunatic Climate Change & Energy Minister in the Albanese guvmint (or his successor in that role) will be undertaking an urgent study tour to the Iberian Peninsula.

[simple1]

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[simple1]

6 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Nope. Tariffs started in 1700s

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_1789

 

As policy related to retmps currewnt term = mirror image of paleo conservitism

[Harrisfan]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

As policy related to retmps currewnt term = mirror image of paleo conservitism

Link says he is not one.

[dinsdale]

17 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Covered and commented upon extensively by right wing media in OZ

Where? Please name the "right" wing media organisations. Surely you mean "left" Nevertheless I'd be interested in how Trump has affected Australia's foreign policy and as for the Tariffs all sides of politics has said there will be very little impact. 

[simple1]

36 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Link says he is not one.

 

Matter of opinion

[simple1]

36 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Where? Please name the "right" wing media organisations. Surely you mean "left" Nevertheless I'd be interested in how Trump has affected Australia's foreign policy and as for the Tariffs all sides of politics has said there will be very little impact. 

 

e.g. The Australian. Foreign Policy influenced by trump's moves against PRC, though I believe government in Oz will not be going down trump's path that got Oz trade in so mush trouble with PRC last time. if I recall correctly if trump upholds tariff s on Oz will cost our economy approx 25 billion.

 

[JonnyF]

I'd say this is great news for Trump.

 

There is no more effective measure to weaken fake allies than to ensure they elect a left wing government. Canada and Australia will continue to decline economically and culturally disintegrate. 

 

 

[Tug]

15 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I'd say this is great news for Trump.

 

There is no more effective measure to weaken fake allies than to ensure they elect a left wing government. Canada and Australia will continue to decline economically and culturally disintegrate. 

 

 

Translation to normal this is bad news for trump and America for trump because it’s another way people are showing him how much they dislike him and his ideas.its bad for America because it isolates us further from our erstwhile allies.

[bkk6060]

Who cares the entire country is pretty much run by China.

[BLMFem]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

Actually source is paleo conservatism which Stephen Miller supports and influences trump

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism

 

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

Nope. Tariffs started in 1700s

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_1789

 

Simple1 got you good and you deflect by posting a Wiki link about the origin of tariffs dating back to a time when the Dem and Rep parties weren't even formed?

Sorry, but I gotta use your favorite emoji;

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, mfd101 said:

And so Oz continues its slow decline into mediocrity.

 

Which - sadly - would have been little different if Dutton had won. Which is why he didn't. (Wodda we get from you that's any different from Albo?)

 

The challenge now is for the Liberals to find a new strong leader who can form & articulate sensible right-of-centre policy, including reducing expenditure (WAY out of control under Labour, though it was heading that way already under the Morrison government), reform the tax system (inter alia increase GST to 15%), a more focussed welfare state (sigh!), MAJOR effort to lift productivity across the economy, new focus on a post-Trump world of trade competition, focussed Defence policy (eg Oz-made drones, instead of just arm waving) & rethinking/refocussing  the AUKUS alliance, and a more sensible - reality-based! - energy transition that includes nuclear-generated as well as gas ... 

 

And on & on. For the last 3+ years Oz has been slowly sliding down the international comparative performance measures (eg GDP per capita - used to be in the top 4 or 5, now way down the list).

 

It's not the Albanese guvmint that's going to do the job. And, after this debacle, the Libs may take 6 or more years to recover ...

20 years ago, Australia ranked #11 in the world in GDP per capita.. It still ranks #11 today. The decline has been in purchasing power parity (PPP)

 

Nuclear power is the most expensive form of energy there is. Renewables beat it into a pulp. You think you are smarter than CSIRO?

 

I agree the AUKUS alliance needs re-assessing. Shelling out $2-5 billion for a nuclear submarine that can be taken out by an AI drone costing a few hundred thousand dollars is the apogee of dumb.

 

I also agree the tax system needs reform, just not in the way you think. Increasing GST to 15% is a regressive tax which hits the poorest hardest.

 

Resources companies and multinationals have been plumbering the tax system for decades. Tax them on revenue, and watch the deficit disappear in a single year.

 

Big oil/gas squealed like stuck pigs when Western Australia reserved some gas for domestic consumption. They did not stop operations.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BLMFem]

36 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I'd say this is great news for Trump.

 

There is no more effective measure to weaken fake allies than to ensure they elect a left wing government. Canada and Australia will continue to decline economically and culturally disintegrate. 

 

 

So as they "decline economically" they, of course, will import less and less from the US, and this is great news for Trump?

Would you care to elaborate on that, Jonny, because it seems rather counter-intuitive?

Thanks in advance, pal!

 

 

[Lacessit]

44 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I'd say this is great news for Trump.

 

There is no more effective measure to weaken fake allies than to ensure they elect a left wing government. Canada and Australia will continue to decline economically and culturally disintegrate. 

 

 

It's America that is the fake ally. It has run away from every war it has started since Korea.

 

The cultural disintegration of America into a polarized collection of squabbling states is obvious to anyone not wearing blinkers.

 

America is in economic decline. BRICS PPP is now bigger than the G7.

 

We have had leftist governments on and off in Australia since Federation.

 

They are  the reason I paid $100 for a medication which would have cost me $70,000 in America.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Dutton accepted his huge defeat politely and with dignity. So he's not as bad as some politicians. 

[mfd101]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Nuclear power is the most expensive form of energy there is. Renewables beat it into a pulp. You think you are smarter than CSIRO?

 

I agree the AUKUS alliance needs re-assessing. Shelling out $2-5 billion for a nuclear submarine that can be taken out by an AI drone costing a few hundred thousand dollars is the apogee of dumb.

 

I also agree the tax system needs reform, just not in the way you think. Increasing GST to 15% is a regressive tax which hits the poorest hardest.

(1) The CSIRO report has been criticised as inaccurate in various ways, both relating to the costs of small modular reactors and as to the total costs of renewables. Basically it doesn't compare like with like. I have no independent view of the matter (beyond irritability generated from irrational anti-nuclearism);

 

(2) Agree. It seemed like an interesting idea when Morrison came up with it, but that was before everyone began learning lessons - still continuing on a daily basis - from the Ukraine war. Even Australian industry is capable of building drones, but the notion of them - even way way down the track - building nuclear submarines is ridiculous. Can't even maintain our pathetic handful of subs & frigates ...

 

(3) GST is a good tax because of its efficiency & basic unescapability. Its regressive nature is easily countered by raising the tax-free threshold from the current c$19000 to say $28000 or even more: poor people greatly benefit and can take responsibility for how they spend the extra money in their pockets; as can the middle classes; and the rich won't even notice.

[mfd101]

33 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Dutton accepted his huge defeat politely and with dignity. So he's not as bad as some politicians. 

Yes, even my strongly pro-ALP friends in Canberra recognised that.

[carlyai]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Who cares the entire country is pretty much run by China.

We trade with China. We are not run by China.

Your country is run by Mongols. 🙂

[simple1]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Who cares the entire country is pretty much run by China.

 

Nonsense

[simple1]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I'd say this is great news for Trump.

 

There is no more effective measure to weaken fake allies than to ensure they elect a left wing government. Canada and Australia will continue to decline economically and culturally disintegrate. 

 

 

 

Besides flaming please factually define Australia as a "fake ally". 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, mfd101 said:

(1) The CSIRO report has been criticised as inaccurate in various ways, both relating to the costs of small modular reactors and as to the total costs of renewables. Basically it doesn't compare like with like. I have no independent view of the matter (beyond irritability generated from irrational anti-nuclearism);

 

(2) Agree. It seemed like an interesting idea when Morrison came up with it, but that was before everyone began learning lessons - still continuing on a daily basis - from the Ukraine war. Even Australian industry is capable of building drones, but the notion of them - even way way down the track - building nuclear submarines is ridiculous. Can't even maintain our pathetic handful of subs & frigates ...

 

(3) GST is a good tax because of its efficiency & basic unescapability. Its regressive nature is easily countered by raising the tax-free threshold from the current c$19000 to say $28000 or even more: poor people greatly benefit and can take responsibility for how they spend the extra money in their pockets; as can the middle classes; and the rich won't even notice.

The CSIRO report was a classic case of Dutton shooting the messenger. Until we have functioning thorium reactors, no-one can call nuclear power safe. If you think that's irrational, visit Fukushima and Chernobyl.

 

Raising the tax-free threshold does nothing for JobSeeker recipients, whose annual income is $20,311. Tell me where the great benefit is.

 

You have obviously never had to deal with the Centrelink bureaucracy.