What is it about Trump that triggers you and causes you so much angst and unease

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Well, what is fentanyl?

It's laced with other crap that's killing people?

I mean, how many deaths are caused by the drugs being laced vs straight up overdose?

And ... would people still turn into zombies if it wasn't laced? 

We don't want people dying, but neither do we want a bunch of zombies in the streets. 

Sorry, I don't know enough about drugs.

If Trump hires me and pays me 250K, I'll look into it. 

 

You can't stop it, but you can stop the knock-on negative effects on the rest of your population.

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Or maybe propose cutting a program that supplies emergency responders with narcan, a drug that has saved thousands of drug abusers from death by overdose. Because that's what the Trump administration just did.

Your side always bleats on about overpopulation, so why stop their voluntary actions to support your cause?

[Felton Jarvis]

Trump's war with the media really makes me angry. He hates the idea of an independent media where reporters can ask any question.  His open warfare with reporters is unprecedented and shameful. The media is the ONLY thing that stands between government and an uninformed electorate. Only fascist and other authoritarian states treat the media as an adversary.

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12 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Your side always bleats on about overpopulation, so why stop their voluntary actions to support your cause?

Interesting that you seem to think that allowing drug addicts to die is a valid way to address the population problem. Somehow not surprising given that you have often expressed your indifference to the fate of people who would die were it not for  programs sponsored by wealthy nations.

[connda]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

What conda is up to here is trying to make the political personal. And the reason he's trying to do that is because, basically, he's got nothing.

Dude - You are over-thinking this wayyyyyyy too much.  My  first post is 100% self-explanatory and explains what I'm thinking and why.  There is no "this is connda's conspiracy to make 'the political personal'."  Don't make this into "placehlder's person conspiracy theory about the OP's post." 

Go back to the beginning of the OP, re-read my post.  The questions is straightforward. clear, and succinct. 

I'll summarized it again: "For those of you who despise this man, what is it about him that collectively drives you all to the edge of normal, rational sanity," what is triggering you all to the extreme.  Again - I find that fascinating and therefore wrote the Op.  I'd really like to understand.

And if you believe I'm MAGA, I'm not.  That is in the first post of this OP as well.  I'm a old classical liberal, I've voted Democrat most of my life, but like other Democrats I dumped the party due to its woke, progressive radicalism that has nothing to do with the tenets of the Democrat party I grew up in: anti-war, pro-civil rights, a supporter of that ACLU, pro-social-safety-net, pro-capitalism with with regulations and limits in order to rein in predatory capitalism (like we have today).  But then the Democrat party went off the rails.
I've stated this before.   I voted for Jill Stein as my "personal politics" align closer to Stein then any other US presidential candidate on the 2024 ticket. So trust me, I'm in a real political minority in the realm of US politics. 

Now, if you want to, go make your own OP and ask real Trump supporting MAGA types what drives them.  Quite a number of respondents have raised that issue, i.e., "What is it that drives MAGA sycophants?"  That's a valid question too, and one that I pointed out way at the beginning of this thread when others brought that question up. And I find that fascinating too.

So placeholder, stop the conspiracy theory about what you think my deep dark ulterior motives are.  There are none.
Go back and read the initial post, read this post - then you have it all.  There is nothing else there.  Don't fabricate motives out of thin air and attempt to attribute them to me.  You just end up looking silly and conspiratorial. 

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1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

But at least he knows what McD is selling!

 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

But at least he knows what McD is selling!

Does he? Does he claim that McDonald's doesn't sell food to its franchisees? Or is it you who doesn't understand that the corporation does sell food to its franchisees.

[BritManToo]

20 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Interesting that you seem to think that allowing drug addicts to die is a valid way to address the population problem. Somehow not surprising given that you have often expressed your indifference to the fate of people who would die were it not for  programs sponsored by wealthy nations.

As a Marxist, I'm all about giving the workers a fair chance.

If they don't want to work, and just take drugs, then they have voluntarily removed themselves from the system. While I bear them no ill will, I don't really care if they live or die.

 

Marxism isn't about giving away free money to all the world, or the right of the world population to live, it's about giving fair opportunity to all male citizens prepared to work.

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8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

As a Marxist, I'm all about giving the workers a fair chance.

If they don't want to work, and just take drugs, then they have voluntarily removed themselves from the system. While I bear them no ill will, I don't really care if they live or die.

 

Marxism isn't about giving away free money to all the world, or the right of the world population to live, it's about giving fair opportunity to all male citizens prepared to work.

You it's about the most ridiculous kind of Marxism I ever heard. Marxism blames ills like drug addiction on the capitalist system. Not an individuals. And it only guarantees the opportunity to work for males? Because Marxism wants families to go hungry?

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

What like the ones who police let in, the ones who calmly walked throuh the building taking selfies?

 

That's another reality, and you believe this? Really? 

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You it's about the most ridiculous kind of Marxism I ever heard. Marxism blames ills like drug addiction on the capitalist system. Not an individuals. And it only guarantees the opportunity to work for males? Because Marxism wants families to go hungry?

Marxism wants women and children to be provided for by their husbands ability to earn a fair wage.

 

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

As a Marxist, I'm all about giving the workers a fair chance.

If they don't want to work, and just take drugs, then they have voluntarily removed themselves from the system. While I bear them no ill will, I don't really care if they live or die.

 

Marxism isn't about giving away free money to all the world, or the right of the world population to live, it's about giving fair opportunity to all male citizens prepared to work.

Agree, and there's no reason why (aside man's corruption) that socialism & capitalisms can't exist side by side.  Sadly most things the govt touch, run so inefficiently, due to that corruption.

 

Profit from essential services (healthcare, oil, energy industries) should be put back in state coffers, to provide free or affordable access to all that need or want, housing, healthcare & education.

 

Agree that if you chose not to work, and contribute to the tax base, then you're on your own.  No free rides at the expense of others.

[frank83628]

33 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Self made? He relied on an inheritance that  was created because of government generosity.

Trump is wealthy today because of government housing subsidies. While still a young man, he inherited his father Fred's real-estate empire, worth tens of millions of dollars. The senior Trump made his fortune by building middle-class housing financed by the Federal Housing Administration (FHA). In the 1930s, Fred Trump built single-family homes for middle class families in Queens and Brooklyn, using mortgage subsidies from the newly created FHA in order to obtain construction loans. After his real-estate business fell on hard times, he revived his firm during World War II by constructing FHA-backed housing for U.S. naval personnel near major shipyards along the East Coast. After the war, he continued to rely on FHA financing to construct apartment buildings in New York's outer boroughs.    https://prospect.org/economy/trump-s-housing-hypocrisy/

 

Not going to read any anti Trump smear article from one of AN's top level Trump haters, thanks anyway.

DJT turned 4 million into 6 billion, that's self made in my eyes.

I don't know many supermodels that have PHD's or are rocket scientists, but she was world famous before Trump, 

Would your sucess show up on a Google search?... you haven't even got 'top poster' on here yet.

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Trump's war with the media really makes me angry. He hates the idea of an independent media where reporters can ask any question.  His open warfare with reporters is unprecedented and shameful. The media is the ONLY thing that stands between government and an uninformed electorate. Only fascist and other authoritarian states treat the media as an adversary.

 

Do you really believe that Trump is a rapist?

I don't.

The media is very corrupt, so has no choice but to be at war with them. 

Doesn't make him a fascist. 

 

[connda]

23 minutes ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Trump's war with the media really makes me angry. He hates the idea of an independent media where reporters can ask any question.  His open warfare with reporters is unprecedented and shameful. The media is the ONLY thing that stands between government and an uninformed electorate. Only fascist and other authoritarian states treat the media as an adversary.

But the Biden, Obama, and pretty much every other administration before Trump did the same thing.  They only allowed a select few media voices to be heard.  You had to be employed by a major media network which it turn was owned either by a multinational corporation or a billionaire. The exact same individuals and corporation which provide the political funding to put the politicians in office.  It WAS a closed loop.  Trump opened his press conferences to a new group on independent media voices.

What did Biden do for the last 4 years.  Mumble and fart at a podium, read from a Teleprompter, read his staff's index cards instructing him how not to f***-up, then turn around and stumble off the stage while ignoring all of the press.

[frank83628]

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

That's another reality, and you believe this? Really? 

Yes, I've seen the clips of police (or guards) letting people in, then of these same people walking single file through the building.

The trouble was outside. 

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3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Marxism wants women and children to be provided for by their husbands ability to earn a fair wage.

 

The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State (1884) – Friedrich Engels

“The emancipation of women becomes possible only when women are enabled to take part in production on a large, social scale, and when domestic work no longer claims anything but an insignificant amount of her time.

[jas007]

1 hour ago, Felton Jarvis said:

Trump's war with the media really makes me angry. He hates the idea of an independent media where reporters can ask any question.  His open warfare with reporters is unprecedented and shameful. The media is the ONLY thing that stands between government and an uninformed electorate. Only fascist and other authoritarian states treat the media as an adversary.

I don't think Trump is at war with the "media."  He does, however, have legitimate concerns about the mainstream media propaganda machine and how it tried to destroy him.

 

Fortunately, we now have alternative media platforms with no connection to the mainstream media.  Trump realizes this and has allowed them a voice.  Free speech and all that, a concept abhorrent to those trying to shape public opinion by way of deceit and lies.  Once the truth is out, you can't put that genie back in the bottle.  It will win out, every time. 

[Lacessit]

25 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Agree, and there's no reason why (aside man's corruption) that socialism & capitalisms can't exist side by side.  Sadly most things the govt touch, run so inefficiently, due to that corruption.

 

Profit from essential services (healthcare, oil, energy industries) should be put back in state coffers, to provide free or affordable access to all that need or want, housing, healthcare & education.

 

Agree that if you chose not to work, and contribute to the tax base, then you're on your own.  No free rides at the expense of others.

Apparently the Chinese agree with you. Their economy is a 50:50 mix of private enterprise and socialism/communism.

 

 

[Cameroni]

58 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Does he? Does he claim that McDonald's doesn't sell food to its franchisees? Or is it you who doesn't understand that the corporation does sell food to its franchisees.

 

Look, MacDonalds is a real estate company that makes most of its money from renting real estate to its franchisees. BritManToo is right here. MacD only sell burgers to bring foot traffic to their real estate business.

 

When he's right, he's right, better to just accept it.

 

https://www.wallstreetsurvivor.com/mcdonalds-beyond-the-burger/

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I only labelled the clearly lefty journos as lefty.

Ok, indeed some are well-known as "left"😂

[placeholder]

26 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I don't think Trump is at war with the "media."  He does, however, have legitimate concerns about the mainstream media propaganda machine and how it tried to destroy him.

 

Fortunately, we now have alternative media platforms with no connection to the mainstream media.  Trump realizes this and has allowed them a voice.  Free speech and all that, a concept abhorrent to those trying to shape public opinion by way of deceit and lies.  Once the truth is out, you can't put that genie back in the bottle.  It will out, every time. 

Sure. He's not at war with the media? That's why instituted a $20 billion dollar lawsuit against CBS because he didn't like the way they edited an interview with Kamala Harris. Because he's not at war with the media.

[jas007]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Sure. He's not at war with the media? That's why instituted a $20 billion dollar lawsuit against CBS because he didn't like the way they edited an interview with Kamala Harris. Because he's not at war with the media.

But the interview was selectively edited, no?  Kamala couldn't even answer a pre-scripted question without spouting gibberish, and so they cut that part of the interview and inserted another. And that's just one example of how the media was trying their best to "get Trump." 

 

CBS deserved to be sued. 

[Cameroni]

NBC also edited the last interview for sure and focused on his "girls don't need 30 dolls they can have 3, they don't need 50 pencils they can 5". He's right of course but it will not play from someone with a golden taps bathroom and NBC know that. That's why they zeroed in on those comments.

[Patong2021]

58 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Not going to read any anti Trump smear article from one of AN's top level Trump haters, thanks anyway.

DJT turned 4 million into 6 billion, that's self made in my eyes.

I don't know many supermodels that have PHD's or are rocket scientists, but she was world famous before Trump, 

Would your sucess show up on a Google search?... you haven't even got 'top poster' on here yet.

 

Melania was never a super model, nor did she ever claim to be. She was an attractive woman when she was modeling and did well.

It is you who is calling her something she never said she was.

 

Trump's wealth is a bit of a mirage and relies on  valuations of leveraged real estate holdings. Do you know who his financial  backers are? He is not as wealthy as he claims to be and has significant debt.  As per Rolling Stone:  Trump’s Financial Disclosures Show Significant Debt and Abundant Grift, Nikki McCann Ramirez, August 16, 2024

[Harrisfan]

1 lefties are insecure

2 Trump is outspoken which annoys them more than others on the right

3 lefties are very immature

4 lefties are tribalistic socialists

 

 

[KhunLA]

17 minutes ago, jas007 said:

But the interview was selectively edited, no?  Kamala couldn't even answer a pre-scripted question without spouting gibberish, and so they cut that part of the interview and inserted another. And that's just one example of how the media was trying their best to "get Trump." 

 

CBS deserved to be sued. 

they stoop to any tactic ... MSM is a joke 

 

 

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Melania was never a super model, nor did she ever claim to be. She was an attractive woman when she was modeling and did well.

It is you who is calling her something she never said she was.

 

Trump's wealth is a bit of a mirage and relies on  valuations of leveraged real estate holdings. Do you know who his financial  backers are? He is not as wealthy as he claims to be and has significant debt.  As per Rolling Stone:  Trump’s Financial Disclosures Show Significant Debt and Abundant Grift, Nikki McCann Ramirez, August 16, 2024

Whatever, you just move the goalposts to suit.

I don't think any of the supermodels claim they are, the media labels them as so, as they did Melania at some point.

Trump is well known as a billionaire for 30+ years... only in the last 9 have all the roaches come out to scrutinize everything about him, something that doesn't happen to single other person of his public status

 

[frank83628]

6 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

1 lefties are insecure

2 Trump is outspoken which annoys them more than others on the right

3 lefties are very immature

4 lefties are tribalistic socialists

 

 

Lefties are also a few other things too, but those words get automatically deleted

[KhunLA]

Got to love him ... he just thinks up sh!t, to drive the left nuts ... and they melt 

 

 

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